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Protecting Our Parents' PCs?

Frustrated Son asks: "I assume that many Slashdot readers must serve as the IT staff for their parents. My folks get my old machines and just enough software to be productive. I try to protect my parents from the forces of evil by installing automatic OS updates, virus checkers, spyware blockers, pop-up blockers... But still I find that my parents end up with unwanted applications and dangerous software. What software or strategies do you use to protect your parents' PCs? Is it possible for inexperienced users to surf the net in safety?"

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  1. Get mom an iMac by MoxCamel · · Score: 5, Informative
    Get mom an iMac. Install OS X if it doesn't have it already. You can pick up a decent iMac on eBay for around $300, but make sure it's at least 300Mhz. Enable auto-updates. Install Mozilla or Firefox, ensure popup blocking is turned on. Done. You will instantly become the favorite child.

    No thanks necessary, it's what I do. :)

    (and yes, I know he said PC. I consider this a PC solution.)

    1. Re:Get mom an iMac by fishbonez · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't have to go with an iMac. You can actually use a MS OS provided you remove/disable/hide the MS applications--that is, Internet Explorer, MS Office or Outlook. I gave my parents Opera and Open Office. They are quite happy to use those instead of the virus/worm prone MS applications.

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    2. Re:Get mom an iMac by jbum · · Score: 4, Informative

      I did this a few years ago. I love Macs, but there was a *political* problem with giving Mom an IMac.

      My Mom is clueless, and even though I gave her a IMac, she needed tons of help. She would ask everyone she knew for help, not just me. All her kids, sons-in-law, neighbors etc.

      Statistically, 90% of these people had PCs and didn't know what to do with a Mac. Even though the Mac was easier to use for a newbie, it's *harder* to use for an experienced PC user. So all these people kept telling her that her computer was "hard to use" and that she should "just get a PC".

      Since I didn't want to be her full-time tech-support guy, and constantly have to fight with the in-laws I eventually (after a couple years of this) told her to follow their advice.

      Now she has a PC (probably filled with spyware and all kinds of awful stuff) but I don't have to answer the phone, or defend her choice of computer every christmas.

    3. Re:Get mom an iMac by sniggly · · Score: 5, Informative
      We migrated my mom from a win98 pc with openoffice/mozilla and a yahoo mail account to a fedora core 1 with openoffice/mozilla and the same yahoo account :) It now runs kde 3.2. The nice thing about linux distributions is all the great software that comes free on the cds.

      It's also nice that kde 3.2 runs even faster than 3.1 and that when we upgrade the kernel it'll run even faster still... What else can you ask for on old hardware.

      An upgrade to windows xp would have required a serious hardware upgrade and I don't know how long it would take to download all required patches over her internet connection.

      We did consider a mac (the new ibook g4 with wireless internet would be awesome for her) but while below $999 she doesn't want us to spend that money on something she doesn't use that often anyway. If money is no object osx is the way to go.

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    4. Re:Get mom an iMac by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
      she deletes the printer instead of the print job every so often

      You can fix that pretty easily, at least under Mac OS X 10.3. Go into her account, run Printer Setup Utility, double-click on any printer she may need. Control-click on the dock icons that pop up and select "Keep in Dock". That way she can just press those icons to see what the printer is printing.

      Now go to go to System Preferences->Accounts and make an admin account by. Log into that admin account and go to System Preferences->Accounts. Select your mom's account and click the "Some Limits" button. Click "This user can only use these applications" then click the allow all button. Click the locate button and navigate to Applications->Utilities->Printer Setup Utility and deselect the checkbox. Close the System Preferences.

      Now she can't change her printers. She can still see what's printing because the printer is in the Dock. To really be safe you can also make that printer into a desktop printer just by control-clicking on the Dock icon, selecting "Show in Finder" and then option-control-drag it to the desktop. You can also lock her ability to remove items from the Dock by selecting that option in her account settings so that she can't accidently remove the printer from the dock.
  2. OS X by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

    What software or strategies do you use to protect your parents' PCs? Is it possible for inexperienced users to surf the net in safety?"

    Well, the solution is pretty simple actually. Since OS X does not have the virus/worm issues that Windows has, is easy to use and set-up, does not have the malware issues that Windows has, I purchased iBooks for my mother and my sister to use. They are cheap, quite effective, durable as can be and since they live many hundreds of miles away from me, I am not always having to do tech support over the phone (or video iChat). Quite frankly, I really don't have the time these days to do computer support so this really is the best solution. Additionally, I would much rather spend the time I have to interact with my family on more fulfilling topics than computer support.

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  3. Ghost the system by pvt_medic · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just create a ghost of the system with everything installed and every so often just wipe the computer and reinstall things. Takes a little doing to get the parents trained well enough to save files correctly, but it works well, and every 6 months i sit down for a couple hours and reinstall everything. Maybe over doing it but I dont have to do anything in between except change ink cartridges

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  4. VNC by after · · Score: 4, Informative

    I use VNC to do check ups on my fathers computer a few times a day. This is real usedull because you can check the computer as if you were sitting in front of it in a very short ammount of time; You dont have to stand up and phisicaly be at the computer.

    I also installed Mozilla Firebi...fox on his computer so that he does not install anything he really neads.

  5. Hours of my life wasted. by Sick+Boy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I spend hours locking down the box, turning off their permissions, setting up virus and spyware scanners with automatic updates and run-times and admonished them to run Firefox. Took a long time.

    They still got infected. I still got calls. LOTS of calls. "Slow!" "Hijacked homepage!" "radioactive monkeys!" etc.

    Then I got them a used G4. Works a charm. They're happy, I'm happy, the web is safer for them and from them.

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  6. Sure you can by Limburgher · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have a small checklist I go through at each visit to my parents and my in-laws.

    This includes updating virus protection(AYG, so they don't have to worry about keeping it paid), running windows update, a full defrag, and I make sure their OO.org and mozilla are up to date.

    Hakkuna friggin' Matata. :)

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  7. What i do by Paddyish · · Score: 4, Informative
    Obviously, the automatic updating is a must. I also gave them the google toolbar with popup blocking (they've been unable to effectively learn Mozilla), and I use Spybot's Seek and Destroy software to protect against the more common malicious adware (immunize option). As a last-ditch failsafe, I can VNC into the PC with their permission and attempt to fix it that way.

    My mother has actually started taking a few basic computer classes, which have yielded an improvement in her basic usage skills.

  8. No on Mozilla, stick with Safari by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 5, Informative

    Install Mozilla or Firefox ...

    Stick with Safari, it comes with Mac OS X, it gets updated automatically like the OS, and frankly will get better support when a company blows it and produces a page that doesn't render correctly. Apple is actually somewhat helpful on that last point when the offending site is somewhat important, say online banking, they may contact the offender. I believe Safari has a built in reporting mechanism for bad pages.

  9. Don't block the popups, cut 'em off at the source by Annirak · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's relatively simple to keep your parents surfing in safety. As many people have already mentioned, Firefox is a good start. But that's not where you need to stop. While Thunderbird is stil in alpha, it makes a nice email client, and has fewer glaring security holes than some of the more popular clients.

    But where everything comes together is with the last two important pieces of software. I used to be a strong supporter of The Proxomitron, but it's very difficult to find now, and is no longer supported, so I've switched over to Privoxy which runs on most platforms, incidentally.

    Privoxy is a local proxy that does filtering on all web content that you view, removing things like some ads, and all unrequested pop-ups. It filters virtually all malicious content I have seen.

    A personal firewall is important to have now, and there are some reasonable free ones around. The ones I like take a bit of configuration, but they sure beat Zone Alarm. The two I use are Kerio Personal Firewall and Sygate Personal Firewall.

    Sadly, both these products used to be completely free, but the same is no longer completely true.

    Essentially, it is important to use a good browser, mail client, local proxy and firewall. With those in place a virus scanner is often somewhat redundant, though one of those might be a good idea too.

    On the spam prevention front, I find Popfile to be an invaluable tool. It is, however, a wee bit advanced. I suspect that most parents wouldn't quite grok it. I've heard good things about SpamAssassin, though, and it might be worth the effort of teaching parents.

  10. Re:Back in the day by Trejkaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with Windows XP System Restore is that you are at the mercy of what files Microsoft think are important. Suppose you manage to download a trojan which destroys all your game directories. Those directories aren't under System Restore's control so it can't roll back those changes.

    Solutions like TrialBlazer managed the entire disk as if everything were the same thing. Although you could easily make a D: which wasn't under its control, I guess. I can barely remember whether it did every hard disk or just the system one.

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  11. Some less-disruptive ideas by RebornData · · Score: 4, Informative

    Getting a Mac, moving to Linux and switching to Firefox etc... are all excellent suggestions, but I've found that they aren't always practical. Many people learn by rote, and switching between all-MS products at work and other applications at home may generate even more confusion (and thus work for you) than the security problems they solve. And although Firefox is getting really good (it's my full-time browser), I do encounter bugs and incompatible pages more frequently than I did when I used IE, and have not had good luck with semi-skilled users I've switched to it.

    This is all a long winded way of saying that *if* for some reason you're in a situation were you need to leave the machine in basically "pure Windows / MS" form, here are some ideas:

    If you're cheap: Keep virus protection current (look to AVG or Panda if you need something free). The google toolbar for IE is a decent popup blocker and will take care of most of the spyware popups as well as make searching easier. Install both Ad-aware and Spybot Search & Destroy... manually update and run them when you visit, and use the Spybot "innoculate" feature. If they've got XP, demote their user accounts so that they aren't administrators, and either install all software for them or teach them to change accounts to do it themselves. VNC is nice, but the built-in remote assistance also works, and the full-blown remote access built into XP Pro works well over low-bandwidth connections when configured properly.

    If you / they are willing to spend a few bucks and don't have a complete allergy to commercial software: Norton Internet Security isn't a bad package (if you turn off the parental controls crap) and will do most of what you need. The Antivirus and firewall are reasonably solid and very easy to use, as is Norton Antispam, which takes care of popups and browser-based spyware installation as well as mail filtering that's well-integrated and easy to use with Outlook and OE.

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  12. Re:Bad Idea by master+control+progr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unbelievable. I was sure this was a troll, but discovered that Wired Magazine ran a story in December 2001 called The Geek Syndrome addressing this phenomenon. Amazing.

    Lucky for me, my wife has a degree in Communications, and is about as non-technical as they come. :)

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  13. What's problem? by trezor · · Score: 5, Informative
    • I kindof feel bad for them but if they don't listen to my suggestions to buy a mac/ use linux (I've offered help) then it's what they get.

    Dood, I know this is /. and that we be abunchazealots, but still...

    You can run Windows in a secure fashion. First thing: Disblable useless services (like Universal PnP, Remote *anything* and so on). Second: Setup separate user and admin accounts.

    If you as a third move install third-party software for netuse (Opera, Mozilla. That kind of stuff), you'll need some pretty clueless people in order to screw the machine over.

    The fourth and probably best move you can ever do, is setup a systempartition with only the system and applications (move documentfolders elsewhere), and take a Ghost-snapshot. Then if they somehow manage to screw up, you're recovered in 5 minutes with absolutely no hassle.

    That's four simple goddamn things you need to do, and your Windows is bulletproof enough for any standard needs.

    What's the problem? No really, what is the problem?

    Yes, Linux may be better (for some things), but sometimes stuff like work ++ creates things called software issues, and VMware really is more of a hack than a solution unless you have the extra memory.

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