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Testing Electrical Capacity of New Offices?

An anonymous reader asks: "Running a small graphic design studio, we've hit a snag that I'm sure many tech-reliant small businesses have hit before: our small flock of file servers, multi-processor machines and 22" monitors draws more electricity then the wiring in our current space can take. We're looking for a new space for this and other reasons, and as we look around we're generally forced to take the word of landlords as to what sort of amperage an electrical system can provide. Does anyone in the Slashdot community know a reliable way to test and see if an electrical system can support the needs of a computer-reliant business?"

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  1. Have you considered? by krangomatik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bringing a qualified electrician along when looking for new office space. Or at least having an electrician give it a looking over before you sign a lease. They should be able to look at the power coming into the building as well as the current distribution system within the building and give you some idea as to whether or not it could meet your needs.

    Total available amperage to your offices doesn't always do you a whole lot of good if you can't get the circuits you need to your server rooms. Be sure to discuss with the landlord any plans you may have to add or move existing circuits around.

    1. Re:Have you considered? by Chaostrophy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly, also, figure out what you need, cooling as well.

      Look at JWZ's experiences at the DNA Lounge with electricity for some pointers and stories:
      For one:
      http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2000/ 07.htm l#20

      here's a tiny url to a google search for all the related DNA stuff http://tinyurl.com/2msyt

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    2. Re:Have you considered? by Old+Uncle+Bill · · Score: 2, Funny

      You also may want an SLA stating the expected available power at the location. That, and have everyone bring their hair dryers.

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    3. Re:Have you considered? by Johnathon_Dough · · Score: 2, Funny
      Also, see the troubles they had when the power went out an hour or so before they were set to open...

      Mostly revolving around the fact that they would not be able to run off of a generator easily...if at all.

      "because there are other people here to freak out for me, if freaking is warranted. They'll handle it."
      One of the people he has to "handle it" woke me up from a well deserved nap to ask where one can get a generator at 9pm on a Friday...answer: you can't.

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  2. Check the breaker box by jspey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ask to see the breaker box that holds the breakers to your office space. The amperage that will trip each breaker should be printed on it. If it's not clear which breakers go to your office space (perhaps because there's one big box for the building and it's not labeled well, or there are different boxes for each office and they're not labelled well, either), ask the landlord.

    Put in the lease that the electrical system in they office space will have a capacity of X. Have a clause that says that if this isn't the case, the landlord will spend his own money to fix it in X weeks/months/etc, and if he doesn't then you get free rent until he does, as well as the option to break your lease without penalty. Be willing to pay an electrician to check that the max amperage of the space is what it's agreed to before you sign the lease, though. Also make sure the lease allows you to have an electrician come in and do said checking.

    If you're really worried, put a significant penalty into the lease if the amperage is too low (I'm sure you don't want to move any more than you have to). You will probably have to pay a little extra for this. If your landlord balks at this, tell him to get an electrician who will back his work do the inspection, so that the electrician pays the penalty and the landlord doesn't.

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    1. Re:Check the breaker box by V.+Mole · · Score: 3, Informative

      The amperage that will trip each breaker should be printed on it.

      And then divide that number by two. Or 1.5, maybe. Anyway, you can't pull 30A (or even 29A) through a 30A breaker, not for very long.

    2. Re:Check the breaker box by MarkedMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whoa. While checking the box is the right way to go , simply adding up the current available on individual breakers is absoltely NOT! What you need to know is what kind of service the building has. If your space has its own service, then that is what you get, 200 Amps, 500 Amps, 1000 Amps. That is the total you can draw at once.

      You still are not homefree though. State electrical codes limit how much each run can draw, say 20 amps. Even if you have a 10,000 Amp service, you can't draw more than 20 amps on that line. Note that the line can, and probably does, have mulitple outlets on it.

      This is why you need a professional electrician. But you have to arm him with some prior information: In this room I want to have X pieces of equipment plugged in. Piece 1 draws 3 Amps, Piece 2 draws 1 amp, etc.

      You can find out how much each piece draws with a clamp type ammeter, or rather your electrician can. Note that it is not unusual for equipment to draw significantly more at system startup.

      The electrician can then calculate how many outlets and how many pieces you can plug in.

      A suggestion: Color code and number the outlets for sensitive equipment and keelhaul anyone who plugs in a hair dryer or microwave. In fact, banish microwaves to some far off dungeon, as they emit noise at exactly WiFi frequencies (both use the unregulated spectrum, because, well, it is unregulated.)

      Finally, I would also suggest putting all your sensitive stuff on an isolating power conditioner. This is NOT a battery backup, you can add one of those before or after it.

    3. Re:Check the breaker box by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a old medical office can have suprisingly electrical capacity, an X-RAY unit can put out 50mA at 145KVpeaks which works out to 7250W, at 230V thats 31 amps so it's probably on a 45 Amp circuit by it's self to allow to peak surge. An added advantage is you can have a server room with lead lined walls!

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  3. Easy. by pi_rules · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have everybody bring in their microwave when touring offices. When they say it'll support situation X have people walk out their car, grab microwave, and plug it in. See if they're still confident in supporting that load. If they are, flip 'em on.

    Nothing beats proof you can actually see. Just figure out what how many microwaves you need to simulate your load.

  4. Dummy loads by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One way is to bring things which can pull as many watts (and preferably volt-amperes as well as watts - remember, computer gear does not have a unity power factor [look it up]) as your server stuff and plug it all in. Add a safety factor, say 20%; plug your dummy load in, turn it on, see if circuits stand up.

    One good dummy load would be a bag full of travel-size hair dryers. They pull roughly 1500-1700 W apiece, and they don't take much room. You could plug a whole bunch of them in and see if you lose breakers; if you have 5 KW of server demand I'd go for about 7 KW of dummy loads for testing.

    Note that this is over and above checking the ampere ratings on the breakers for the circuits in question. You don't necessarily know what's upstream, but like any other part of your production system you want to stress-test it before you rely on it.

    1. Re:Dummy loads by karnal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus, if you're using a bunch of hair dryers, you can also test the air handling system to see if it will keep up with the heat disbursement at the same time!

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  5. 22" Monitors? by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I'd assume you're using CRT screens.

    LCD's to the rescue!

    A good 21" CRT is going to suck down 110watts+, an LCD will probably do 30...

    Plus, If each of them are 4 square feet, thats 88 sq feet less office space, or one more cube.

    1. Re:22" Monitors? by Graelin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The poster specified that they are a graphics design studio. Chances are they're using high-end CRTs for the color quality / contrast ratio.

      Most LCDs are lacking in this area and those that are not cost significantly more than a similarly capable CRT.

  6. Airflow by Kobal · · Score: 2, Informative

    You may also want to check how easy it will be to keep the rooms cool without adding too many electrical systems. If the airflow in the building isn't sufficient, you'll be drawing much more juice in summer.
    Of course, depending on where you are, you may have the same issue in winter with isolation and portable heaters. If you use AMDs, this won't factor as an *extra* load, though.

  7. Re:Check the breaker box = bad assumption by managerialslime · · Score: 4, Informative

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    >>Ask to see the breaker box that holds the breakers to your office space. The amperage that will trip each breaker should be printed on it.
    ?????????????

    Really?

    If the last electrician "installed" extra breakers in anticipation of future needs, (i.e. you've got switches without connecting wires,) looking at the box won't do you any good.

    This is another reason why you should have a licensed electrician test the required electrical capacity prior to signing a lease.

    The last two facilities I was involved with had to be upgraded. The first, because when we installed UPS' the heat from the UPS' overwhelmed the air conditioning.

    The second because when an open space was suddenly converted to cube space, employees brought in a boatload of space heaters and pop-goes-the-breakers.

    With regard to landlords putting guarantees in the lease, good luck. Many will tell you it's between you and the local utility and the most they will do is provide their "best efforts."

    What you can OFTEN do is have your licensed electrician kill two birds by scheduling a representative from your local utility to meet with him when he inspects the site. At that time, any problems with the local power distribution grid THAT THE LANDLORD MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT can be identified.

    With regard to estimating your needs, a google searches that include btu, kwh, "load estimation", etc. provides lots of links to help you develop a spreadsheet of what you need.

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  8. Test by BCoates · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go buy a handful of These. Each one in parallel should draw ~1.0-1.3 Amps across a power jack, and scare the living crap out of whoever's showing you the office.

    Or if you're feeling cheap, use These but don't leave them powered for more than 5 seconds. (read the datasheet).

  9. Need to talk to your realtor. by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are moving into a new space, you should have a construction allowance built into the lease. This will cover reconfiguring the office space and changing the electrical & mechanical systems. Why worry about mechanical systems? Because if you are going to need an electrical upgrade due to increased power consumption, you will need upgraded HVAC.

    Before the lease is signed, get a design done and get bids on the work. The bids will give an honest account of the suitability of the space. You can now back out or go forward. If you go forward, negotiate the lease terms and the maximum cost of construction.

    The work gets the work done by contractors, bills get paid by the landlord, you pay for it in your lease and it comes under operating expenses instead of capital expenditures - your accountant will love you (after they curse you for the up front hassle)

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  10. bring in supplemental power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, this is easy to fix. We had the same problem at a small 4-story office rental.

    You need to bring in power from an outside source. Due to electrical codes, and the questionable ability of your existing wiring, I recommend the following procedure.

    First, you need to rent some space in an adjacent property. Preferably at the same height from the street as your current property.

    Then you need to buy 10-20 large microwave ovens, approx. 50 feet of copper tubing (like you can get at the hardware store), a set of wrenches and screwdrives, and 10-20 metal (not plastic) trash can lids.

    Unfortunately I can't go into more details due to the gag order but I think you can figure it out.

    Our power problems are solved. However we had to give up WiFi. On the plus side, our coffee is always hot!

    Hope this helps.

  11. Use a Multimeter by max+born · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need a heavy duty multimeter. You can get one with a rating of about 20 amps AC for under $50. like this for example.

    Hook the multimeter up with a variable resistor (also rated for 20 Amps) in series with the circuit you want to measure.

    (+)-->resistor-->multimeter-->(-)

    Open up the resistor (slowly) until the circuit breaker or the fuse goes. Note the amps that this happened at. That's your max.

    1. Re:Use a Multimeter by Euler · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can't be serious. Don't try this at home kiddies.

      I've worked in my profession with high voltages and high wattage loads, actually. It's something that only engineers or fools should be tinkering with. If you don't know what I^2 * R is for, or how to insulate such a rig properly, then don't even think of it.

  12. Hot stuff by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm reminded of a bit of tech history:
    After a few winter months, the gas company sent us an estimated bill for $350. Our bills had been between one and two dollars because we heated the space with computers rather than gas. Mass Gas was convinced we were stealing from them. They replaced the meter twice, and still got absurdly low readings. Eventually the meter reader came up to our office agreed that the computers produced a lot of heat
  13. use ohms law by splungent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use ohms law to figure out power consumption. e=i*r volts = amps * ohms or p=e*i Power(in watts) = volts * amps Oh..... Just go here: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Sample_Projects/O hms_Law/ohmslaw.html or here: http://www.knovel.com/knovel2/Toc.jsp?BookID=687

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