Spam Solutions from an Expert

Mod N writes "SecurityFocus has posted a nice survey of anti-spam technologies by spam expert Neal Krawetz, in which he delves deeply into the specifics and pitfalls of the numerous proposed solutions. Krawetz makes it obvious that securing the email infrastructure is a very complex problem that many of the current (simple) solutions can't solve alone."

Comments

Proof?

[monstroyer]

The marketing myth emphasizes two misconceptions: (1) a human must perform the challenge, and (2) these problems are too complex for automated solutions. In truth, most spam senders ignore these CR systems because they do not account for a large recipient base, not because the challenge is difficult. Many spam senders use valid email addresses for their scams or for validating mailing lists. When CR systems begin to interfere with spam operations, spammers will automate the responses to these challenges.

Excuse me, what? Where's the proof? That's quite a brave statement to be making considering i've never seen this cracked, ever.

I challenge someone to find an automated response to C/R.

I did hear of a theory where C/R was being cracked by taking the C/R image, posting to a porn session, and letting a seeing person do the work. However, i've yet to witness this in practice. Show me the automated response to C/R that exists beyond a blog theory, and i'll believe. Until them, i hardly consider it "marketing hype".

Let's use the Patriot Act for the benefit of good

[mao che minh]

I am in full support of using the broad-powered, freedom crushing Patriot Act in apprehending and imprisoning spammers. We might as well get some good out of it.

Having experience, I can answer 1.2.1

[snakecoder]

I am not recommending mailblocks, I belive there is a sourceforge project called TMDA which does the same thing. Having said that, my experience comes from using mailblocks:

-cr deadlock: This does not exist because when you e-mail someone in a challenge and response system, it automatically assumes they are friendly. So if they have a challenge and response system, it will make it into your inbox, because you e-mailed them first

-automated systems He is correct here. Personally I hate when friends submit my e-mail to third parties without my consent so I do not mind missing these e-mails. I have caught a few while searching my pending folder, and inform my friends I rather have them e-mail me directly.

-interpretation challenge I believe he is wrong here because of a fundamental issue. When dealing with spam filters, the onus of working out refinements is left to the spamee, to make sure they filter out all spam. If a spammer adds a new technique, they get around the filter. With challenge systems, you have a few methods waiting as backup. When a spammer finally figures out how to read your words through AI, you simply change the challenge system and they are back to square 1 in trying to figure out how to defeat. As long as you have a few methods waiting in the wings, the spammers can easily be defeated, and have huge amounts of work to do.
if you doubt this, write an AI system to defeat hotmails gifs. Now what if the next day instead of showing a word, they show you a picture of 3 fire trucks and 2 police cars and ask you how many police cars are in the picture, etc ...

Do not call ...

[Ephboy]

Prior to this October, telemarketing calls were a national scourge. Amazingly, since we signed up for the Do-Not-Call list, we've only received 2 illegal calls. I'm rather surprised, in fact, at the relatively uniform acquiescing to this law. While spam, coming from all corners of the earth and is more anonymous, will be harder to enforce, some law with real teeth may be a good start.