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Protecting and Preserving Your Vision?

Poligraf asks: "All of slashdotters spend a lot of time in front of monitors. What are you doing to preserve your eyes? My issue seems to be not a declining vision, but fatigue after certain amount of time in front of the computer. It becomes so bad that I need occasionally to leave the room with computer and sit or lie down to relax for 5 to 10 minutes. What do you think of a full spectrum lights? Certain scientists swear that it is the best thing since sliced bread, others viciously rip their claims apart. Has anyone used these? What is your experience? What other methods can you come up with?\"

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  1. See a doctor by El · · Score: 4, Informative

    My vision varies widely over the day, especially after staring at a CRT for 12 hours. But then, I have diabetes... have you had your blood sugar checked?

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  2. from experience by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 5, Informative

    you may infact need glasses. Stimatism(sp) initially presents itself as eye-tiredness then little "grey" patches in you vision (like a spot of dust on a camera lense) when you are very tired. So do yourself a favor and have your eyes tested, I did and can once again sit at the box for long periods.

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  3. Some suggestions. by Alereon · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Remove all glare from the screen. Rearrange your room if you have to.
    2. If you're on a CRT, raise the refresh rate to at least 85Hz. If on an LCD, make sure you're running at the native resolution. If your CRT monitor doesn't support at least 85Hz, get a new one or switch to an LCD.
    3. Have your eyes checked. If you need glasses, get them. If you have glasses, see if you need a new pair.
    4. Play with the monitor brightness/contrast as needed. Straining to make out dim images is not good. If your monitor sucks too much to display images with proper contrast or brightness, replace it.
    5. Finally, make sure you're sitting appropriately. If you're looking at your monitor at an uncomfortable angle or height, fix it.
  4. Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It becomes so bad that I need occasionally to leave the room with computer and sit or lie down to relax for 5 to 10 minutes.

    There's a law in Brazil which allows a five minute pause every one hour so the person can leave the PC.

    It's not "bad". It happens. To a lot of people.

  5. Computer Vision Glasses and Filters by AndrewM1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    At Ac Lensthey are selling Computer Vision Glasses.
    Quote: "These glasses have a special tint that helps to reduce glare and the intensity of the light produced by the average computer monitor, and a special UV coating that blocks UV rays produced by monitors and flourescent lighting." Sounds like Just what you're looking for to me.

    Also, You might want to look into getting a Glare Screen, there's a good one at
    FutureShop.
    Quote Again: "VisionGuard XL, Glare Filter with Radiation Barrier. Relieves eye strain for healthy vision. Reduces glare up to 99%. Fits regular and Flat screen monitors 14 " to 17"." Looks again like it will solve your problem. AndrewM

  6. easy but not cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, you need to go 100% digital. By this I
    mean an LCD with a DVI or ADC plug. Forget about
    anything with a traditional VGA connector.
    It should go without saying that you MUST run
    at the native resolution.

    Pick an LCD with wide-angle viewing, such as the
    excellent 20" Apple Cinema Display at 1600x1024 or
    the 23" Apple Cinema Display HD at 1920x1200.
    Don't cut corners on this -- I know you're tempted!

    Now get rid of cheap flourescent lights. I suppose
    you can keep the fancy 15 kHz ones. Avoid the
    regular 60 Hz flourescents.

    Adjust monitor brightness to match room lighting,
    but wait... room lighting needs to be somewhat
    low. At low light levels, your eye is less
    sensitive to flicker. The eye does a kind of
    time integration over a pulse stream to work;
    the time constant varies with overall brightness.

    1. Re:easy but not cheap by Grab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Definitely agree on the LCD monitor - for desktop work, CRTs are just no competition.

      As far as size goes though, I don't agree with going for monster monitors. I find that 17" is about optimal for me, as this is almost exactly the size of my eye's main focus. I used to use a 19" monitor and found that I was getting tired eyes because I couldn't see the whole screen at once - 1" of the screen on each side was outside my main focus and only visible in peripheral vision, so my eyes had to move around to see what was on the screen, and that tires out the muscles.

      Personally, I reckon the ideal solution would be two 17" monitors, rather than one enormous single monitor. With two monitors, you tend to move yourself (either turning head or whole body) to look at the second monitor. That tends to work much better ergonomically.

      Grab.

  7. Focal Depth by Inexile2002 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got an astigmatism in both eyes and have problems with declining vision (just as a result of aging unfortunately) and eye fatigue from looking at monitors. Other than the obvious - wear my glasses when using the computer, take breaks away from the computer etc - I set up my sight lines to have various things at different focal depths.

    I put up a number of pictures on the walls near the monitor and I make a point to look at them every few minutes (a Kandinski, a Renior and a picture of Liv Tylor in a school girl outfit... sigh... a couple of minutes pass...). Anyway, by looking up every few minutes it allows my eyes to focus on things at different depths. I also look out the window as often as possible. When I use my laptop, I arrange it so I have a view.

    Its simple but I find it helps. The anthropologist in me can't help but point out that from an evolutionary standpoint, the muscles in the eye were not designed to focus on one plane of depth all the time. Complex environments (forest, savanna etc), constantly moving around and generally not looking at something three feet in front of you for 6 to 16 hours a day probably created a eye muscle that can adapt quickly, but probably didn't create one that is designed for endurance - holding a single plane of focus for hours and hours. Not that I'm siting a reference here - pun ;) - this is just off the top of my head.

    But the differing focal depths thing works. I do it when I read too.

  8. My eyes! The goggles do nothing! by Momomoto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Previous posts have made suggestions to get your vision checked to see if you either need glasses or you need your prescription changed. I'd definitely opt for that with the suggestion that, in the meanwhile, you bump down your screen resolution and sit further away from the monitor if possible.

    The reason I suggest this is that your eyes require no effort in order to focus on objects in the distance, but require the contraction of the ciliary muscles in order to focus on objects that are close up. This response, like any other muscle response, can fatigue if it's held for a long time.

    A lot of Visine may help as well -- if you are spending a lot of time in front of a monitor you are probably blinking a lot less, too.

    Good luck!

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  9. I knew you'd be tempted. Stop it! by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 2, Informative

    90 degree is 45 to each side, which is not enough
    for a decently wide monitor. With that Dell, there
    will be subtle disturbing color and brightness
    variations, especially near the edges of the screen.

    That is, unless you sit back very far and line
    your head up perfectly.

    Also, is it free of dead pixels? (both kinds?)
    I got my Apple Cinema Display shipped by mail,
    and it arrived with 100% perfect pixels. There
    wasn't a single stuck-on or stuck-off pixel,
    and not even a bad sub-pixel.

    If it is resolution you want, get 1920x1200
    with the 23" Apple Cinema Display HD. ("HD"!)

    Damn, I sound like an Apple ad... except my
    Mac is running Debian of course. :-)

    You can use a PC with an Apple Display if you
    like; it requires an ADC-to-DVI adaptor that
    takes away the coolness of running power and
    USB down the monitor cable. (ADC is DVI plus
    25-volt power and USB pass-through)

  10. reading glasses (seriously) by Calaf · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am rather nearsighted, but I wear corrective contact lenses all the time, and I used to work at the computer just with those. One day I visited my optometrist and he told me I would feel more comfortable working at the computer wearing reading glasses. I scoffed, I told myself I felt fine, and anyway I was too proud to adopt the trappings of old fogeyhood just yet. Until one day at the drug store I tried on a pair and was amazed at how much more comfortable it made it to see at close distances. Apparently my contact lenses refocus the light so much so I can see far distances, but it creates more strain when looking at near distances. The reading glasses counteract that. So for working at the computer and for reading, I wear my contacts *and* my reading glasses. It makes it so much more comfortable. I just got a cheap +1.25 power pair at Target, and they're not unfashionable, either.

  11. 170 degrees whips 88 degrees by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Viewing angle matters a lot if you want to avoid
    eye strain, which was the whole point of this
    ask-slashdot. It especially matters on a screen
    that is nearly 2 feet wide. Apple gives you a
    whopping 170 degrees, and it shows.

    Contrast may matter a bit, but 350:1 is enough.
    Remember that 8-bit per channel video limits
    the output anyway. I smell marketing.

    Brightness is useless unless your room lights
    are too bright. Any monitor you can buy is
    brighter than you should need. If your room
    light is way too bright and you are stuck with
    it, then yeah, maybe brightness could matter.
    Fix your room lights.

    Correction on the sizes:

    1680x1050 $1299 20" Apple Cinema
    1920x1200 $1999 23" Apple Cinema HD

  12. Re:My eyes! The goggles do nothing! by lambent · · Score: 2, Informative

    A better solution than turning your resolution down, is to turn your resolution up, and increase the default sizes of all your gui stuff (display fonts, text zooming, icon sizes, menu width, etc, etc), turn on AA, and increase your refresh rate, as has already been said.

    My mother is a text editor (no, really ... she edits medical texts), and for years she suffered from the eye strain bit, with the whole 800x600 resolution crap, cause that made everything bigger. I helped her upgrade last year to an LCD with a proper refresh, 1280x1024, and fixed all the font sizes and layouts, etc etc. She saw immediate improvement in ease of use.

    Low resolution introducies jaggies, which just worsens the eye-strain. (in my experience)

  13. Re:Speaking specifically of the GE "Reveal" bulbs. by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Informative
    Regular incandescents are a little "yellow" to me... I like my light sources to be a little on the blue side.

    Have you tried the various compact florescent bulbs? I recently went through a few, looking for one that was the "right" color. Incandescents are about 2750K, a good approximation of sunrise/sunset lighting. Some of the compact florescents are about 6000K, a reasonable approximation of high-noon sunlight. Those were too white for me -- seemed odd to have that color light inside the house, and made the whites on my LCD screen look a bit yellow by comparison -- but might be good if you like things more towards the blue. I ended up with a Philips bulb listed at 3000K.

  14. Turn down the brightness by SteveOU · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't have the reference pages right now, but....Most people's monitors are way too bright and have the contrast cranked up way too high. How do you know?

    • Contrast: Human eyes are better at seeing dark colored details on a light foreground, because of the way the eye adapts to the contrast range of a scene. Several optical illusions (Illusion 1) play on this fact. If you have eye fatigue problems using a white console w/ black text, you've got the contrast set too high. If green on black seems more comfortable than black on white, the contrast is too high
    • Brightness: Needs to be set according to the surrounding light level. The area behind and to the sides of the monitor should be about 75% as bright as the screen itself. I borrowed a light meter to check mine; place the sensor facing the wall, behind and to the side of your monitor to get a reading, then directly in front of your screen and adjust accordingly.

    I've been having problems w/ eye fatige since the beginning of this year, and am getting to know my opthamologist fairly well. These are just notes I'm passing along from him as we try to get my workspace corrected.

  15. Lutein by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 2, Informative
    I can't believe this thread has gone on so long with no one mentioning lutein. Lutein is a natural anti-oxidant nutrient found in leafy vegetables. Very few of us get enough of it in our diets naturally. All the opthamologists I know take it every day. It is the best thing we know of for prevening macular degeneration, something which frequently causes blindness in old people. This isn't crackpot new-age herbal stuff. If you don't believe this, ask any opthamologist if he has heard of lutein and what he thinks of it.

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  16. 5 minute breaks every hour by henrik · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is why you have scheduled 5 minutes breaks every hour during the work day when you have sitting down terminal work (like computer work).

    If there isn't a law that allows you this already (worker's protection), then make sure your employer understands how much more efficient you will work with these breaks, even though he/she is paying for them. In the end, your boss will benefit from you having 5 minutes break every hour.

  17. Re:Speaking specifically of the GE "Reveal" bulbs. by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have been hooked for about five years on GE Grow-n-Show bulbs. They're available as a standard light bulb form factor and as a flood-light. They're very purple when not lit, but the light they put out is a beautifully pure white approximating sunlight. Everything viewed under them just looks unnaturally crisp, and of course the plants love 'em. Also, you can stare right into the bulb and read the wattage rating printed on it without feeling like you're staring at the sun.

    I think they may have dropped the Grow-n-Show name recently (probably felt that it was attracting narco-terrorists or some such) but the packaging is the same. They cost almost twice what normal 'soft white' bulbs do, and I think they only last half as long, but they're still an incredible bargain in my book.

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