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Protecting and Preserving Your Vision?

Poligraf asks: "All of slashdotters spend a lot of time in front of monitors. What are you doing to preserve your eyes? My issue seems to be not a declining vision, but fatigue after certain amount of time in front of the computer. It becomes so bad that I need occasionally to leave the room with computer and sit or lie down to relax for 5 to 10 minutes. What do you think of a full spectrum lights? Certain scientists swear that it is the best thing since sliced bread, others viciously rip their claims apart. Has anyone used these? What is your experience? What other methods can you come up with?\"

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  1. How presumptuous! by DeadSea · · Score: 5, Funny


    I read Slashdot on a line printer, you insensitive clod!

  2. See a doctor by El · · Score: 4, Informative

    My vision varies widely over the day, especially after staring at a CRT for 12 hours. But then, I have diabetes... have you had your blood sugar checked?

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    1. Re:See a doctor by trentfoley · · Score: 5, Funny
      My vision varies widely over the day, especially after staring at a bartender for 12 hours. But then, I'm a drunk... have you had your liver checked?

      --Its just a joke, except for the drunk part. My intention is not to belittle diabetes sufferers, or, for that matter, drunks.

  3. from experience by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 5, Informative

    you may infact need glasses. Stimatism(sp) initially presents itself as eye-tiredness then little "grey" patches in you vision (like a spot of dust on a camera lense) when you are very tired. So do yourself a favor and have your eyes tested, I did and can once again sit at the box for long periods.

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    1. Re:from experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So do yourself a favor and have your eyes tested, I did and can once again sit at the box for long periods.

      I agree. I went for years with headaches and having trouble reading things at a distance refusing to believe I still didn't have the 20/20 vision of my teenage years. I went and finally got a checkup, go my glasses and the headaches are all gone. Also ironically I went back to taking classes to finish a degree and find I can actually SEE the chalkboard now and copy down notes. It makes a hell of a lot of difference to my grades too.. went from C's to A's. Before I had trouble even reading my textbooks. ;-)

  4. Some suggestions. by Alereon · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Remove all glare from the screen. Rearrange your room if you have to.
    2. If you're on a CRT, raise the refresh rate to at least 85Hz. If on an LCD, make sure you're running at the native resolution. If your CRT monitor doesn't support at least 85Hz, get a new one or switch to an LCD.
    3. Have your eyes checked. If you need glasses, get them. If you have glasses, see if you need a new pair.
    4. Play with the monitor brightness/contrast as needed. Straining to make out dim images is not good. If your monitor sucks too much to display images with proper contrast or brightness, replace it.
    5. Finally, make sure you're sitting appropriately. If you're looking at your monitor at an uncomfortable angle or height, fix it.
  5. Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It becomes so bad that I need occasionally to leave the room with computer and sit or lie down to relax for 5 to 10 minutes.

    There's a law in Brazil which allows a five minute pause every one hour so the person can leave the PC.

    It's not "bad". It happens. To a lot of people.

    1. Re:Bad? by xanderwilson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More than that, it's a probably the best thing you can do. My dad was in advertising before it was all done on computers, and the artists used to know to look away for at least five minutes or so per hour to rest their eyes. Probably even more necessary now even though it might be much harder to look away from the pretty lights than it is from a drafting board.

      Alex.

  6. one more suggestion by bromba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    6. You need to take these 5 minutes breaks before your eyes get tired. You don't have to leave your desk, just look around, close your eyes for a while, etc.

  7. easy but not cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, you need to go 100% digital. By this I
    mean an LCD with a DVI or ADC plug. Forget about
    anything with a traditional VGA connector.
    It should go without saying that you MUST run
    at the native resolution.

    Pick an LCD with wide-angle viewing, such as the
    excellent 20" Apple Cinema Display at 1600x1024 or
    the 23" Apple Cinema Display HD at 1920x1200.
    Don't cut corners on this -- I know you're tempted!

    Now get rid of cheap flourescent lights. I suppose
    you can keep the fancy 15 kHz ones. Avoid the
    regular 60 Hz flourescents.

    Adjust monitor brightness to match room lighting,
    but wait... room lighting needs to be somewhat
    low. At low light levels, your eye is less
    sensitive to flicker. The eye does a kind of
    time integration over a pulse stream to work;
    the time constant varies with overall brightness.

  8. Do what your mother says. by Ruis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't do that "one thing" that makes you go blind. And while we're on the subject, stop looking at pron on the computer all day. That'll cut your screen-staring time down at least by 75%

  9. Focal Depth by Inexile2002 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got an astigmatism in both eyes and have problems with declining vision (just as a result of aging unfortunately) and eye fatigue from looking at monitors. Other than the obvious - wear my glasses when using the computer, take breaks away from the computer etc - I set up my sight lines to have various things at different focal depths.

    I put up a number of pictures on the walls near the monitor and I make a point to look at them every few minutes (a Kandinski, a Renior and a picture of Liv Tylor in a school girl outfit... sigh... a couple of minutes pass...). Anyway, by looking up every few minutes it allows my eyes to focus on things at different depths. I also look out the window as often as possible. When I use my laptop, I arrange it so I have a view.

    Its simple but I find it helps. The anthropologist in me can't help but point out that from an evolutionary standpoint, the muscles in the eye were not designed to focus on one plane of depth all the time. Complex environments (forest, savanna etc), constantly moving around and generally not looking at something three feet in front of you for 6 to 16 hours a day probably created a eye muscle that can adapt quickly, but probably didn't create one that is designed for endurance - holding a single plane of focus for hours and hours. Not that I'm siting a reference here - pun ;) - this is just off the top of my head.

    But the differing focal depths thing works. I do it when I read too.

  10. There's no perfect solution. by gklinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    I use to have a guy that would describe everything on the screen for me so I wouldn't strain my eyes but the costs became prohibitive so I had to let him go. Now I have a guy in India doing it for a 1/10th the cost. It would be the perfect solution but the phone bills are killing me. Also, porn is not as stimulating.

  11. reading glasses (seriously) by Calaf · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am rather nearsighted, but I wear corrective contact lenses all the time, and I used to work at the computer just with those. One day I visited my optometrist and he told me I would feel more comfortable working at the computer wearing reading glasses. I scoffed, I told myself I felt fine, and anyway I was too proud to adopt the trappings of old fogeyhood just yet. Until one day at the drug store I tried on a pair and was amazed at how much more comfortable it made it to see at close distances. Apparently my contact lenses refocus the light so much so I can see far distances, but it creates more strain when looking at near distances. The reading glasses counteract that. So for working at the computer and for reading, I wear my contacts *and* my reading glasses. It makes it so much more comfortable. I just got a cheap +1.25 power pair at Target, and they're not unfashionable, either.

  12. Eye Strain by DynaSoar · · Score: 3

    The specific fix will depend upon the specific cause. Try each suggestion here and elsewhere and see what works for you.

    Switching to LCD if you haven't should be first. CRTs have more variance in output because LCDs are slower to darken. They flash.

    Room lighting should be incandescent, rather than fluourescent, for the same reason: flash. Spectrum is, IMO, far less important than constancy.* If one thing flashing is bad, two things flashing at different rates is probably worse.

    Work with room lighting and screen brightness to get it as comfortable as possible. You can't get around the problem of transmitted rather than reflected light, but you can minimize it.

    The average optimal working attention time is around 25 minutes. Taking 5 minutes of every half hour off will keep you at a higher performance level as well as rest your eyes before you're forced to. Better to quit when you can find a good stopping point than when you can't see to read whether you've made mistakes.

    Eye exercise to try while working: focus briefly on something far away. Outside if possible. Look at it for 30 second to stretch the muscles that had been set for close looking. Then look back and forth between something near and far, to "warm down" the eye muscles and keep them flexing. Then rest them by looking at something far again, for a few minutes.

    Use paper when you can, especially for something you need to concentrate hard on. You'll lean forward and squint at the screen when trying to find a bug in code or something similar. That makes the transmitted light + flash (if applicable) problem all the worse, For reviewing something closely, print it. This especially for PDFs and such that are presented too small. If you'd have to have it wider than the screen (ie. use your bottom scroll bar to read across the page) in order to see it comfortably, print it.

    Don't use WYSIWYG black-on-white skinny little letters for lots and lots of reading. I can read 4 or 5 pages of that stuff on my 15" LCD before my eyes get tired. I can read 10 times as much using light grey text on dark blue background in plain old DOS style monospace font.

    I'm firmly convinced about the constancy thing. I've done experiments with incandescent vs. fluourescent lighting and found fluourescent to be worse (though I can only hypothesize why that is). About the only prior work I could find to reference was by a guy that also showed fluourescent light caused cavities, so it was kind of an iffy proposition. But my data replicated some of his other claims, so it's not completely bogus.

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  13. Great article on this subject by jtheory · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Straight Dope covered this subject in an interesting (but not completely conclusive) article.

    One interesting tidbit -- he mentions a study that found that while monkeys with their eyes sewn shut and untouched monkeys (oh, to be in the control group!) did NOT develop any vision problems, monkeys with their eyes sewn partly shut -- so they could only see dimly -- became myopic.

    That seems like a pretty good hint that you might want to take breaks from the monitor. As other posters have noted -- it's a good idea to refocus your eyes on objects at other distances frequently during the day, and this should help avoid the eyestrain (and the other problems you might not notice for a while...)

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  14. Monitor Settings and color schemes by bjb · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have had this node on Everything called "Saving Your Eyes" for about two years now. The text is below:

    This is really targetted at Computer Users who complain about how their eyes hurt, especially after a long day of staring at the computer monitor.

    I have had 15/20 vision all my life, and I've also been a heavy user of computers since 1979. People ask how the heck I have maintained my eyesight. It is really simple: turn the brightness down!

    Here are my tips for adjusting your computer monitor:

    • Display an image that contains a lot of BLACK, not grey, but black image. A perfect example is your boot loader, like lilo, if it doesn't have graphics. The black background should be black, not a shade of grey. If it is, turn down the brightness on your monitor. That is the dial that usually has a picture of a sun (or a circle with lines coming out from it).
    • Now turn down the contrast all the way. That is the dial with the half-filled circle. Turn it up until you can read the text without straining.
    • Now, if your monitor supports color temperature, adjust it to the 6000 or 6500 setting. This has a bit of a yellowish hue to the white, but you'll appreciate it later.

    That's it. Note that if you are working on computer graphics, this will NOT make the colors bright and pretty, so you'll probably have to go back to the eye-killing settings. But if you're a coder who is just doing text and web browsing all day, USE THIS. Your eyes will thank you for it.

    Even better: do the same thing I mentioned above, but with an LCD screen. CRT monitors are worse for your eyes than LCD.

    If you're playing first person shooters like Quake, you will probably have to crank up the brightness dial. Just remember to turn it back down later!

    A Quick Bit on Color Schemes

    When I originally wrote this node, I was focusing only on monitor settings. The above works fine for any monitor going back to monochrome CRTs from the 1970s, but with the advent of configurable color window managers like Windows where you have a choice of color settings, I have one more piece of advice. Get off that default scheme!

    Ever since Windows 1.0, there has been a default color scheme. Somewhere around Windows 2.0 you were able to change it, but most people never do it and they leave it with the default settings. These default settings are BRIGHT white backgrounds with the blue title bars. In my opinion, this color setting isn't optimial for your eyes. Of course, we're not just limited to Windows, but since the majority of people use it, I'll at least start with it for my point.

    Without going into technical and difficult to apply color preferences, I suggest trying one scheme that has been in Windows since Windows 95: the 'Plum (high color)' scheme. The point of using this scheme is that the window decorations are not the typical bright grey, and the window backgrounds are off-white. You may not care for the purple accenting, but that's not the point of this scheme, in my mind. Give it a shot for an hour and see if it works for you.

    What I've strived for is the perfect balance of colors on my desktop. A lot of people don't know how, and don't bother with adjusting their appearance settings. Granted after you've been using one scheme for a while, it might feel too foreign to have a different scheme. But try it, it might help even more.

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