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Linuxmusician.com Interviews LilyPond Authors

jcn writes "Chris Cannam talks to the authors of one of the best-known and most ambitious music programs for Linux, the LilyPond score engraving system. Unlike other typesetting software like Finale or Sibelius, LilyPond is not a score editor, it aims to use simple textual description of the music and turn it into the highest possible quality output, automatically. Han-Wen says: In my opinion, any file format that claims to be universal should have two properties: it should have an expressive structure, so other formats can be expressed in it, and it should be as lean as possible, so that converting from other formats amounts to removing information. I think that MusicXML fits neither. Ouch."

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  1. Market choice by dysprosia · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    I don't understand why Lilypond aims to go back to having a proprietary textual format for typesetting music. Most people, I'd imagine, would want to typeset music graphically, as it's just more intuitive that way (I mean, I'm guessing that, for example, getting two voices per staff would be easier in a GUI system than having to manage the text input).

    Anyone know of a GUI frontend to Lilypond?

  2. Re:Yeah, right by phliar · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Sorry, Mr Musician Who Publishes Their Own Work, this "crap" is not for you. Go and play with your little WYSIWYG tools if you think their output is "excellent." You're very free with comments like "this is crap" but I notice that you don't actually address the issues like:
    For example, how is a computer supposed to distinguish between a staccato quarter note and an eighth note?
    You also threw in a cheap shot about lilypond's slurs -- a known deficiency, you didn't add anything. I have no doubt that slurs will soon be fixed.

    If you think Sibelius is better than Lilypond, bully for you. Go use Sibelius or Finale. Really. No one will mind if you do. After all it's about playing music, not just looking at the printed page.

    In the meantime there are people who care about getting it right, and who are willing to put in 10+ hours a week for years on hacking it. In addition to practicing and playing, and let's not forget their day jobs. It seems obvious to me that a labour of love will be of a higher quality than work done for hire by some schmoe who goes home after putting in his eight hours. Lilypond is well on its way to proving this.

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  3. Re:Yeah, right by ericdano · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    " Sorry, Mr Musician Who Publishes Their Own Work, this "crap" is not for you. Go and play with your little WYSIWYG tools if you think their output is "excellent." You're very free with comments like "this is crap""
    Ok, well, that would account for like 95% of the musicians I know...


    Huh? What issue of "how is a computer supposed to distinguish between a staccato quarter note and an eighth note?"??? Who the hell cares? I want something that I can enter the music into, and it looks good. A lot of programs can do that. Sibelius, Finale, Graphire Music Press, Encore.....a lot.

    "You also threw in a cheap shot about lilypond's slurs -- a known deficiency, you didn't add anything. I have no doubt that slurs will soon be fixed."
    Aww, sorry. Did it hurt? If there is anything people complain about, it's slurs. And, well, they ain't happening in Lillypod as far as I can see. Slurs and things colliding with other things. Finale and Sibelius have made a lot of headway in this area.

    "If you think Sibelius is better than Lilypond, bully for you. Go use Sibelius or Finale. Really. No one will mind if you do. After all it's about playing music, not just looking at the printed page."
    Exactly!! So, why would I waste my time using Lilypond? I could whip something out in a number of other programs, and they wouldn't have slur issues.

    "In the meantime there are people who care about getting it right, and who are willing to put in 10+ hours a week for years on hacking it. In addition to practicing and playing, and let's not forget their day jobs. It seems obvious to me that a labour of love will be of a higher quality than work done for hire by some schmoe who goes home after putting in his eight hours."
    Day job? Oh yeah, thats right, some people have "real jobs". I guess doing music full time doesn't count as a job. Thats great people want to do this sorta thing, but I don't see it being as good as some of the stuff already out there. Free or not, I am not wasting

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