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San Diego Diebold Poll Worker's Report Posted

James Renken writes "I was a poll worker in San Diego for this year's primary election. It was the county's first using Diebold voting machines, and as you may have heard, we ran into some problems! My full report of the goings-on can be found at Live from the Nuke Free Zone. Enjoy!"

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  1. My dad worked polls in Orange County, CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    He said the biggest complaint was people who wanted do-overs. With the paper ballots, people can tear it up and ask for a new ballot. With the electronic deallybobs in their current incarnation, no do-overs once you press "vote." Lots of disappointed people.

    So much for progress through IT!

    1. Re:My dad worked polls in Orange County, CA by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No. You *don't* tear up a mis-voted ballot, you replace it (up to three times) and set them aside. I worked the polls in Los Angeles for over ten years and I know that every ballot must be turned in, either voted, spoiled or defaced.

      All ballots not used must be torn up or marked in a way that shows they weren't used, then sent back. One year, the Inspector told us not to bother and if anybody asked, we'd just tell them we forgot. I reported this the next day, and she wasn't there for the next election.

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  2. Wisconsin Assembly passes Paper Trail bill by bmasel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just ran into my Assembly Rep., Marc Pocan, who informs me his bill to require a paper trail on electronic voting machines passed the Assembly unanimously. No word on whether it will be taken up in the Senate, as the session is about to wind up. Sorry, no links yet.

    We're already safe for this November, as the State Elections Board has not certified Diebold machines, or their competitors.

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  3. When is civil disobedience justified? by revscat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been wondering lately if phsyically damaging these machines is not justified in a system that is supposed to cherish democracy to such a high degree. Civil disobedience is justified in some cases, and I believe that the use of unverifiable electronic voting machines with known vulnerabilities is just such a case.

    Remember, Americans: Bring your voter registration card, and a sledgehammer for Diebold. They are stealing our freedom to vote, the very democracy over which so much blood has been spilled, and the corrupted political process is encouraging it via awarded contracts and almost silent acquiescence.

    This crosses political affiliations and affects all Americans. I strongly believe that this must be stopped it by all means necessary or we will lose the ability to collectively affect the policies of our country, no matter how small your individual voice might be. This is zealous, without a doubt, but not all zealotry is bad. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

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    1. Re:When is civil disobedience justified? by k_head · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sledge hammers are too big. Just get a really powerful magnet, it's easier to carry and may mess things up quite a bit.

      Also small devices that deliver electricy may prove effective.

      Finally you may be able to effect them with a EMF generator from the outside of the building.

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  4. Collection of the final data by JumboMessiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I may be paranoid here of just ignorant of how the final process works, but my biggest fear from these things involves the transfer of the data from the precinct machines back to its central point.

    After the machines are dropped off and loaded into the "rented truck" some tech has to extract and accumlate the count data. How easy would it be to alter the counts before the data is transmitted to the central site? Suppose a non tech centric deputy was to oversee the final tally. It might be possible for the tech to alter the counts in plain sight of the deputy without him knowing specifically what's going on.

    It's really hard for me to believe with the amount of tin foil programming/tech talent available that these systems have gone into use without something as simple as a printed ballot. There too much black box magic going on in these things for me to trust them...

  5. I live in the precinct mentioned... by xochipili · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was pissed off to have to use the new machines. I was considering voting absentee on election day (as I read that this would involve a paper ballot), or else making a stink at the voting booth and demanding a paper ballot, but I was really busy, and knew that my votes weren't likely to be critical in this election, so I let it slide.

    In a word, the system sucks. From a voter's perspective, here is what happens:

    1) Walk in, they ask you for your address and name. No ID requested.
    2) Sign your name IN PENCIL.
    3) They ask for your party affiliation ("Green" oh that's cute!)
    4) They hand you a smartcard.
    5) Go to the machine, insert the card, and use the touch-screen to vote.
    6) The interface is terrible: Looks like a demo I that someone wrote on the plane ride over to California. Fonts are hard to read, the layout is busy, etc. etc. Other interface bugs I noticed: If you hit the "Next page" button twice, it would blink the button twice, even though only one page was turned. Just crappy UI overall.
    7) I was VERY tempted to write in my own name on the "Write in" section for one of the offices. My thinking was that write-in candidates must be public info, right? So I could use this as a sort-of checksum to make sure my ballot was really cast. Make up a fake write-in candidate for an office that I didn't care about, then check the election results later. But I chickened out.
    8) The end of the process is the worst: You eject your card from the machine, take it back to the poll worker, who then throws it into the pile of used cards. I was struck by this: was my vote on the card that he had just threw back into the stack? Upon further reflection, I realized my vote was on the voting machine, but the appearance was that my vote had just been thrown away.

    Now to be fair, steps (1) and (2) have always been that way. No ID required (for good reason), but why sign your name in pencil?

    But the rest of the system did not inspire confidence. It felt very, very sketchy.

  6. I, too, worked the SD Polls by Psychohermit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was an assitant systems inspector. We had problems as well, but they were not as bad as the article describes. Our PCM didn't boot into the software, but it was an easy fix -- someone else fixed it before I showed up. I actually ended up driving over to the next precinct over to rescue them -- they didn't have any teenagers working there so no one knew how to use a computer. I started poking around the root filesystem looking for a link to the executable. I noticed a directory called "autoexec" so I checked it out only to find that it contained neither the executable nor a link thereto. I finally found the actual location of the executable--it seemed to be on a datacard of some sort--and started it for them. We had one voting maching give a blank page to someone when it was in large print high contrast mode, but we just hit next and it was fine. The worst problem we had was this: At the end of the day we log into the machines with the admin access card and print a report of the vote totals. One of our machines failed to print -- it just cut off in the middle and wouldn't reprint (some paper trail, eh?). In fact, during the training session, I saw one machine print a line of gibberish when instructed to print. Maybe there's a buffer overflow in the print system somewhere. The worst part was that the voting stations give a total number of votes cast onscreen and a total on the printed tape, and on all of our machines but one, these did not match. They were all off by one vote. I got reports of the same behavior from other poll workers at different precincts. I cancelled one ballot that day, so that might explain the one machine with matching totals. Perhaps the total shown onscreen counts the admin login as a vote. At any rate, it's a stupid error. So, that's my story. Now I just gotta wait for the government to send my check...

  7. Diebold CEO Bush contributor and evangelist.. by Anubis333 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone else find it weird that the maker of the horribly insecure "paperless" Diebold voting machines is a massive Bush Campaign contributor?

    In Ohio [he] told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

    The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

    O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

    The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.


    [Link to the story quoted above]

  8. Re:Recount? by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    RTFA... the machine prints a paper ballot after each voter completes the process. So unless the machines are systematically compromised there shouldn't be an issue.

    But isn't a systematic compromise the main concern? How do you know that the code has not been written to detect a real ballot day (by dates, or the number of votes cast) and then alter both the electronic and paper count?

    The point is that the count cannot be certified because there are steps in the process that are resistent to certification.

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  9. Are we missing something? by LighthouseJ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I think back to Florida in the 2000 elections, wasn't the problem that voters picked no president (where the people had to determine if a chad was punched out enough to count as a vote) or picked the wrong president (butterfly vote layout)?

    Well, these voting machines are the wrong tool to fix this problem. The electronic voting machine like Diebold's are meant to totally erase the paper trail which is very bad thing, IMO. What they should make is basically a ballot booth that prints punchcards. You stand at the machine and it asks you:
    Who do you want for president?
    [ ] George W. Bush (R)
    [ ] John Kerry (D)
    ...
    [ ] None
    Then the machine punches the ballot for you, so there won't be any confusion as to who you're voting for. You can also run an independant tally in the electronic machine, then check it against the punch cards by feeding them back in to a reader, if everything meets up, then few people can contest the results.
  10. Diebold's competition's CEO was killed today by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Killed in a car accident, head of a company that was trying to push for a different system with a paper trail of votes.

    Suspicious?

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  11. Re:comment on open source in the poll worker's man by laird · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, now my reaction to that Q/A:

    The FEC hasn't published any real testing standards, so it's not terribly useful to say that the code was testing against the FEC standards. Also, it's not useful to say that the code is in excrow, or audited, unless the code in production is built from the code in escrow and audited, because otherwise you haven't proven anything other than that the same company that produced the voting system you're running also produced some code that passed your audit and went into escrow. That is, there's no reason to believe that it's the same code, so the audit doesn't prove anything about the code in production.

    And, of course, we all know after the last few decades that "security through obscurity" doesn't work as well as "security through peer revew".

    And I don't know what the Secretary of State's ability to intimidate one critic proves, since several other security audits of proprietary voting systems have revealed massive security flaws.

  12. civil disobedience is nullified by biased media by humankind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you SHOW, to EVERYONE, that the system has problems then that would say something to those in power.

    That's good in theory, but in practice, the mainstream media, which is currently the most effective way of disseminating information, has been anything but objective in its selection of what is and isn't worthy of covering. It's worth noting that the media has found an interesting method of injecting its bias by selectively deciding what is and isn't worth covering, which in many cases, is more effective than spinning something in their favor. Either way, the media is becoming progressively more aggressive in employing both methods.

    The Internet couldn't have come at a better time in terms of giving more people, more sources of information, but its ability to influence or educate the populace is trivial compared to the major media conglomorates. Notwithstanding the constant quips by the mainstream media designed to undermine the Internet as an alternative source of valid news.

    As a result, I don't believe that something like civil disobedience is effective any more. A good example of this can be found in the network coverage of the WTO meetings (in Seattle for example) where thousands protested, and it was covered by the major media, but little more was conveyed than the idea that a bunch of freakazoids smashed some stuff. The agenda of the majority of the protesters, the issues they raised, were all but ignored in favor of 10-second video clips of cars burning and fringe characters acting unruly.

    So the current battle isn't to find the truth, it's to figure out how to get the truth to the people through a web of entities which not only will oppose your efforts, but dilligently work to undermine you at every aspect. If your methods involve anything illegal, this gives the media powers that oppose you the evidence they need to dismiss you, and destroy you without any discussion or second thought.

  13. Re:Security by Confusion? by Dnigh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thats not bad, though I have yet to see at atm with a decent sound card.

    We have quakeII running on an NCR atm here in the office... that gets some odd looks when people walk into the office, and see gibs flying everywhere. We have laughed at the idea of using it for the idle loop screens (adverts normally), but haven't found a customer who thinks its a good idea.

    Having spent way to much time working on Diebolds earlier atm products (yes I still write software for the Diebold 912 protocol), I am scared at anything they put out. Personally, i will keep voting with a paper and pencil.

  14. Re:just in case - full text by Wellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "That second worker points to the appropriate line on the address list, and the PCM operator sees which party to program a ballot for - with the party name never said aloud."

    - that's funny the poll workers at the National Guard Armory in El Cajon made it a point to spit my party name "Republican" or as she said "REP!" across the table to another woman who entered that into her workstation.

    The two ladies acted like it was insulting to their mouths to have to pass the word through it...launching it with a weighted hatred.