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Opera 7 for Mac OS X Preview Released

apetime writes "A preview of Opera 7 for Mac OS X has finally been released. The new version brings Mac Opera up to date with the latest Windows and Linux releases, including the Presto rendering engine, Opera Mail client, Opera Chat client for IRC, and integration with Mac OS X's Keychain and Address Book. After fears of cancellation when Safari came out, this is great news for recent switchers and Opera fans, and another great browser choice for Mac users."

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  1. Re:Why? by rekkanoryo · · Score: 4, Informative
    Safari is based on Konqueror's rendering engine. While a great engine at heart, it's not as good on some sites as other rendering engines, such as Mozilla's, IE's, and Opera's, are. Granted this has some to do with the design of the site, but design isn't everything. The browser has to help make it look good, too.

    Take, for example, Slashdot itself. Try viewing it in several different browsers. Everyone I know find that Opeara and IE tie for first place in making the site look good, with Mozilla/Netscape 6+ as a close second, but Konqueror as a distant third.

    Opera, besides its excellent rendering engine, also has the tabbed interface working in its favor. Sure Mozilla has this too, but Opera lets you reopen the browser after a crash or application close and have all the pages that were open at the time of the crash or close. This is a lifesaver at times, for example when your cpu cooler dies and the system overheats, causing it to halt. When you repair the system and return it to operation, you can reopen Opera and have all the pages you were looking at before brought back without having to manually reopen them or hunt for them.

    I'll take Opera and Mozilla over the others any day.

  2. Why Opera: by Illissius · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those wanting an *exhaustive* (and yet likely incomplete) description of what it has to offer, look here.

    Oh, and the trolls whining about bloat should get a clue. It's only 3-4MB, browser, mail, and everything else included. It's one of the least bloated apps I've ever seen (possible exception of windows/total commander). When your browser alone is twice that (firebird/fox/?), I don't see what grounds you have to complain.

    And while I'm at it, although Opera *is* ad-or-payware, might I mention that it does its advertising in the best way possible: a context sensitive Google text ad in the toolbar. Not annoying at *all*, and it can even be useful occasionally.

    And I could go on, and on, and on. But I'll just mention that the default configuration (both UI and otherwise) is halfway braindead (popup blocking *off* by default, when it's one of the main selling points? wtf?), so just make sure to customize it (which is rather simple, and takes only a few minutes).

    And since this is a Mac forum, some good OSX-esque skins are Safrad (which I use myself, not because I want to emulate a mac, but because it actually looks good), Sofa King, and Lars Kleinschmidt's various OSX and iMac skins. They're available here. (Oh, and by the way, this is a preview release, and there is supposedly a new default skin in the works, just so you know.)

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  3. Re:Why? by wibs · · Score: 2, Informative

    How did you get safari to block to ads for slashdot? They're still there for me.

    Download and install PithHelmet. It's free, it's easy, it's effective. I don't even see flash ads very often anymore.
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  4. Re:Why? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use Opera at work on my Windows box, and use Safari at home on my G5. I admit, I'm probably going to change to Opera when I get home. Opera is a lot bigger than Safari. Safari is a brilliant implementation of a simple, functional browser. I think they should stick with that, and NOT follow Opera's example. That said, I've been using Opera since version 5 something, and I'm having a hard time giving it up.

    I can drag and arrange the tabs however I want. Opera has an inline find in page facility, mouse gestures, and a handy feature for paging through galleries where the images follow a simple incremental progression or have a 'next' or similar recognizable link in the page. The tab implementation is generally superior, I find. When I say that I don't want things to open in a new window in Opera, I mean it, and it works. I have that option checked in Safari, but it still opens new windows all the time. I NEVER want another window popping up under ANY circumstances. If I need a new window, I'll open it up myself, manually. I'm VERY fond of the tab state being saved on close, because I always use the same tabs when I first start up. (I've faked it out in Safari by making a bookmark folder that I open when I start up the browser, but I always lose the 'temporary' URLs that I haven't quite finished with yet, and I don't like saving temporary bookmarks in a seperate folder.) Opera is quite fast at rendering pages, at least under Windows. Oh, and provided that Opera maintains its key configurability, it'll definitely have a leg up there on Safari. (My outlook on that is mostly due to me wanting Opera-like keybindings in Safari. When I type 'Cmd-N', I want a new TAB, not a new window.

    I'll probably use Safari here and there, but I'm pretty much stuck on Opera. I'll give OmniWeb 5 another shot when it gets more stable. Trying out the betas is fun right up to the moment where everything crashes for the fifth time.

    Hopefully, Opera will be reasonably stable. If it is, I'll be happy to use it again under OSX.

  5. Re:Why? by wibs · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can drag and arrange the tabs however I want. Opera has an inline find in page facility, mouse gestures, and a handy feature for paging through galleries where the images follow a simple incremental progression or have a 'next' or similar recognizable link in the page.

    Mouse gestures for all cocoa apps (including Safari) can be done for free with Cocoa Gestures. I love it. Arranging tabs, along with tons of other features, can be done with Safari Extender or Saft, $10 each (buy both of them and that's still half the price of Opera). Inline finding in a page... try Cmd-F.

    As for paging through galleries, that does sound nice and I can't think of a Safari equivilant. However it also sounds like I wouldn't have a need to use it most of the time and forget to use it the rest of the time.

    When I say that I don't want things to open in a new window in Opera, I mean it, and it works. I have that option checked in Safari, but it still opens new windows all the time.

    I completely agree, I'm the same way. Saft (link above) has excellent window management prefs, including forcing all windows into tabs in one window, or getting rid of the menu bar and going full screen, etc etc.

    Oh, and provided that Opera maintains its key configurability, it'll definitely have a leg up there on Safari. (My outlook on that is mostly due to me wanting Opera-like keybindings in Safari. When I type 'Cmd-N', I want a new TAB, not a new window.

    You can bind keys using ReKey (donationware) or the Keyboard Shortcuts tab in System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse. I actually have Cmd-N set to create new tab and Cmd-Shift-N for new window (which is normaly for new bookmark folder, so I bound that to Cmd-Ctrl-N because I never use the keyboard for making new bookmarks).

    There are of course advantages to things being built into Opera rather than requiring 3rd party plugins like for Safari. They all fit in so well though that after I finish installing them (5 minutes of time lost... damn) they might as well be stock features. The plugin route is also cheaper than just buying Opera.

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  6. Re:Why? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't have to buy Opera. I haven't. I like the ads, and I click on them now and then. They've managed to get contextual text ads, and google searches into the ad bar, so it's actually kind of handy sometimes. They're even less obtrusive than in windows.

    2 things:

    1) You misunderstand what I mean by 'inline find'. I don't want a popup panel so that I can type what I'm looking for, I want the search to find items AS I type. If I'm looking for the word 'encyclopedia' on a page, in Opera, I use the inline find, and it's found the word by the time I've typed as far as 'enc'. With Safari, and most other search dialogues, I have to type the whole word, or hope that when I type 'enc' in the panel, I find what I'm looking for right away. Actually, I'm probably terming this incorrectly. Opera's find isn't just 'inline' it's also incremental.

    2) 'Reload page every n minutes'. For news and weather sites, I love this feature. I just set /. to reload every 15 minutes, and every time I check, there's new news. It's a minor feature, but I appreciate it. It's even better now that it works on a tab-by-tab basis. I have several tabs that automatically load themselves at different times. (In the early implementation, everything had to reload at the same time, or you could only reload one tab...it's actually useful now.)

    Like I said, I love and appreciate Safari for what it is, a small fast browser. It's light on the bloat, but does a lot, which I can respect. I've gotten to Opera and all the little conveniences that it provides, so I'm going to stick with it, even though I realize that in comparison it's an overly complex monstrosity.

  7. Opera is good, but... by davegaramond · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.geocities.com/david_garamond/opera7-ran ts.html.

  8. Too Late? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Before I got a Mac, Opera 7 was my primary web browser. I used it in Windows, Linux and FreeBSD, and really liked it. When I got a Mac, I emailed Opera and asked if they were going to release version 7 on the Mac. They said yes, but not yet. So I started using Safari. I missed mouse gestures, but fortunately cocoagestures can provide them to any Cocoa application. There are only three features I miss on Safari now.
    1. The ability to re-order tabs. In Opera you can drag and drop tabs
    2. The ability to re-open a browser window with the same tabs it had before it was closed. I frequently hit command-Q instead of command-W, and end up closing Safari instead of the current window.
    3. The user/author mode toggle in Opera. Some people seem to think that making your background colour as close as possible to your text colour is a good idea. In Opera, a single button press can switch to black-on-white.
    I'll probably try this version of Opera, but I'm not sure that the benefits will out-weight the fact that it doesn't properly follow the HIGs and has a very cluttered UI.
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