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Andreesssen: Why Open Source Will Boom - in 103 Words
An anonymous reader writes "You gotta love Marc Andreessen's 12 reasons why Open Source is set to boom: can anyone use fewer than 103 words and still adduce as many reasons as he does?"
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Because it is documented - documentation is just as important as being open source. If the behavior of MS software was fully and accurately documented, it would be much more stable, as programmers could account for every situation.
1. "The Internet is powered by open source."
Anybody who can exhibit a counterexample can say this is not true.
2. "The Internet is the carrier for open source."
Okay, that's true, but meaningless. Who cares?
3. "The Internet is also the platform through which open source is developed."
Again, who cares?
4. "It's simply going to be more secure than proprietary software."
This can be proven wrong, and you'll look stupid.
5. "Open source benefits from anti-American sentiments."
I really take exception to this, although it may be true. I think it's true that many open-source devs are europeans who have green-ish attitudes, it's immaterial, unhelpful, and boring. I for one don't wish to be associated with this and I raise an eyebrow at Andreesen for thinking this. If Kerry thought looking anti-American is going to help him, or you think it will help Linux, you are wrong. It is not going to resonate with people who aren't already on your side.
#6 - #12 are all fine, true, okay, and useful.
No, I'm not trolling. Don't most of those reasons also apply to the BSDs?
status is failure. status is failure
Foreign governments will tend to use Linux, and encourage their industries to use it, to avoid dependency on software from the evil USA?
Seriously though, governments would be well advised to avoid dependency on software so heavily subject to the control of any other country's government, it shouldn't depend on anti-American sentiment in particular.
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I'm not saying I agree. In fact, I disagree. However, many, many people say it to themselves every time they download a piece of software and it doesn't run because it needs to be re-compiled on their platform. So then they go to Best Buy and purchase something that runs, but crashes, but at least it runs.
There are several reasons.
1) American companies have been known for putting back-doors in programs so that organizations like the NSA could easily break in if needed. (Remember the infamous Lotus Notes story?)
2) America has put back doors in other software that caused nasty things to happen.
In short, other countries don't trust us.
There are plenty of reasons why countries outside the U.S. might consider Open Source, and yes, a couple of them are mostly about dislike for the U.S. itself:
"We don't want to send America one cent that we don't have to."
"The NSA might be pushing code into Windows that can be used to compromise our security."
"Support your local developers."
"If Microsoft doesn't support our language, we're screwed. If Linux doesn't, we can fix that."
"Maybe they saved our asses in World War II, but they're still acting like a bunch of pricks. Screw 'em."
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
In case you hadn't noticed every single example of countries, cities, companies, schools and government departments moving to Linux have always cited one and only one reason for moving.
Because they're looking to cut costs and Linux is free.
You know Linux has more advantages, I know Linux has more advantages but they don't appear to ever be quoted by these companies.
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> "The Internet is powered by open source."
Like Cisco or Nortel?
>"The Internet is the carrier for open source."
It's also the carrier of porn and illegal copies of propritary software.
>"The Internet is also the platform through which open source is developed."
It is also the platform through which propritary software is developed.
>"It's simply going to be more secure than proprietary software."
Not nescessarily. Most insecurities are due to looming release dates. There is also a tradeoff between usability and security. Which is better? Depends on your mission.
>"Open source benefits from anti-American sentiments."
Not sure about this. I just got back from Kuait and there are literally hundreds of street vendors there selling propritary software.
>"Incentives around open source include the respect of one's peers."
Like the respect between the Reiser group and Linus? Why did it take so long to get that patch added? Those two crews showed as much respect as a couple of kids yelling "Did not! Did too!"
>"Open source means standing on the shoulders of giants."
Uuh, not sure what he means by this. I'm assuming he means IBM. What about Sun, MS, Adobe, and other closed source "Giants"?
>"Servers have always been expensive and proprietary, but Linux runs on Intel."
So does Windows. And when you are buying a $10k server, $200 for Windows doesn't even figure into it.
>"Embedded devices are making greater use of open source."
You have a winner here. But imbeded Windows and QNX are also players. This marker is not usually concerned with backwards compatibility and is very volitale in regards to the underlying kernel they choose. If x86 chips become prevalant, expect Windows to dominate.
>"There are an increasing number of companies developing software that aren't software companies."
This has always been the case. Lots of companies need some app that custom-built. They don't really care where the source comes from. Since the app is rarely redistributed, they have no requirements to release their modifications.
>"Companies are increasingly supporting Linux."
Not really. There is a percived lean to newer technologies in non-critical areas. Expect MS to respond to their concerns with newer server technologies that are hardened for special applications.
>"It's free."
But it can cost a ton while you have an outage and the one guy that knows about it is in Jamaca with his family on holiday. Most big projects are not like that, but you never know... MS shares the love. There is rarely one person who holds all the keys to a project.
And remember, if Linux truly takes over, MS will just use the kernel and bolt on a propritary installer (YAST) and a propritary desktop (Java Desktop) and then crush the competition like they always have.
I'd rather you do it wrong, than for me to have to do it at all.
"Only a fool thinks price and value are the same." - Antonio Machado
That holds true until price is zero, then all you need is acceptable quality and performance. Also notice that I did not say FREE but FREEdom. There is a HUGE difference.
In the late 90's it was once said by venture capital types looking at putting money in to a software company... "Is Microsoft going to develop anything like this". The reason being that "IF" they did then, even if the product sucked, it would be cheaper and then it would drive this new company out of business. Well, now instead of Microsoft, it is open source.
You don't see many new closed source Web servers being developed do you? How about any new SQL databases?
You and I would agree that if there is good quality closed source programs, and they can be cost justified, some companies will use it. That software MUST add value to the company though, and there better not be a "good enough" open source solution. Granted there are many in I.T. today that just buy whatever Microsoft/Oracle/IBM puts out, but those types are quickly being replaced, or because of cost they are "looking" at other alternatives.
In my opinion it is not a good day to be a software development shop. Too bad for all those Indian programmers out there...
The more I learn about science, the more my faith in God increases.
Two years ago, at my previous employer, I sat across the conference-room table from Mr. Andreessen while several of Loudcloud's salesmen and "sales engineers" literally shouted at me and the other developers and admins on the tech staff that our reliance on "shareware schemes" (the lead salesman's term for FOSS) was going to be our company's downfall and that we were fools not to let them save us. Six months later Loudcloud morphed into Opsware and got out of the enterprise hosting business. We hadn't signed their contract, either.
Maybe he was thinking counter to his salesforce even then, though that is giving him the benefit of some large doubt. I don't think he was actually thinking about anything in particular related to that meeting, since he spent most of his time checking information on his Blackberry and filling out a Federal security clearance application, and didn't participate in the meeting other than to sit there and look famous.
In any case, this story makes me laugh, only half-ruefully.
Also, since when is desire for control over one's computing systems 'anti-American sentiment' (point 5).
Anti-Americanism goes way back, for a lot of different reasons, many of them deserved, many not.
Past American screwups in foreign policy have left deep scars. Americans are frequently accused of imperialism. That was true in many ways, in the 1880s in Latin America and Africa (just as the rest of the world was pulling back its colonial powers).
More recently, during the Cold War America fought a variety of proxy wars with the Soviets, often backing one set of ruthless dictators against the Russian-backed ruthless dictators. These wars caused a lot of pain and grief, and because America was trying to establish client-states (or at least, keep the Soviets from establishing their client-states), it looked like more imperialism.
The CIA, in particular, is less effective fighting terrorism today than it might be because it has screwed up so badly in the past that a host of restrictions were placed on its power. It still hasn't effectively integrated its intelligence with the FBI, for example. That wall was put into place because the CIA had badly, badly misused the FBI to abuse American citizens in the 60's and 70's.
I live in America, and I'm not sure the rest of the world believes me when I say that the American people really don't want to run your country or own the world. The worst I can accuse us of is being willing to take advantage of less-developed countries, to use cheap jobs and nonexistent worker and environmental regulations to our advantage. But we don't want to colonize those countries, nor are we particulary intent on forcing them to continue those practices. We just take advantage of what we see. (I do not approve of this, mind you, and many will see this as worse than plain-old imperialism, but I'm just trying to lay out my observations as best I can.)
When Americans want to invade a foreign country, it's always out of fear. When we fear for our safety, we become aware of our strength. Other than that, we'd rather be economic than military.
Except, perhaps, for GW Bush, and his dad. The first Gulf War was clearly about oil, though we were able to play it as being about a small, oppresed country (as opposed to all those other small, oppressed, non-oil-bearing countries that we ignore). The President played it for oil, and sold it to Americans as freedom.
The same thing happened again last year. Americans, worried for their safety, were plenty ready to fight whomever the President said, with secret intelligence, was a danger. But the intelligence was wrong, or false, and the President misled America. Last time it worked, because the war was cheap, and he lied less. This time, there could be serious repercussions for American foreign policy.
But I believe that Americans, as individuals, had no interest in stealing Iraqi oil, even if the President did.
I've allowed myself to get drawn rather off-topic, so mod me down if you must, and I apologize in advance.
Open source software lowers capital barriers to market entry.
Proprietary software vendors will not create jobs for Americans:
So, ON THE WHOLE, OSS expedites job creation, MSFT et al. do not.When I had this discussion with MSFTie Rob Scoble, he wrote:
>Microsoft money does create jobs. 5000 in the
>past year alone (mine was among them).
And I replied:
This not a counterargument, because 'Microsoft money' is an aggregate of revenues from BigCos and SmallCos. My supposition is that money from SmallCos can produce more jobs if it stays in the hands of SmallCo execs/owners.
Also, when BigCos pay license fees to MSFT the net effect on American jobs creation is nil, statistically, as money moving from a BigCo to a proprietary IT BigCo is not money that becomes more likely to create American jobs as a result.
Q.E.D. :-)
That doesn't say the same thing. Andresson clearly invokes the concept of "carrier" as a "transmission vector" in the disease sense; the Internet spreads the use of open source in an infectious manner. (It's not a disease, of course; a lot of non-diseases have disease-like spreading characteristics.)
Your reformulation merely states that the Internet happens to transmit bits that are open source, without the "transmission vector" aspect. It also carries other things.
Ain't English grand? This is why I end up being so verbose, so often; if I want, I can condense many of my multi-page essays down to one dense paragraph, but I prefer that more then a handful of my readers understand what I'm saying. (Which still may not happen often, but what can you do?) You can see a lot more of this in the other Slashdot replies too; 103 words is nice, but by the time everyone is done misinterpreting and projecting onto them, one wonders if a 103-page essay wouldn't have been called for. (Of course, more words means more opportunities to misinterpret; argh!)
"The complaints about America are largely the result of American culture and history. It's not like suddenly in 2001 Bush took office and people just started having problems with America"
No, this is not true. In Europe we pretty much switched overnight from liking and respecting the US to despising it as a result of Bush's response to the terrorist attack in New York.
Hopefully you guys will get rid of the current administration soon and we can get some sanity back into world affairs.
By the time you have even heard of this software, it has been in use at several sites for many months... usually years. That is several people taking the risk of running a possibly unstable product, joining the mailing lists, sending feedback (and sometimes fixes).
I submit patches to Open Source where I can, and I use products that are labelled alpha and beta quite frequently - if they do, or have the potential to do, what I need them to. Once a product has reached critical mass (Apache, Linux, VIM) I use the software with confidence. Other's have already paid for it with thier time and energy. At that point, the cost of the software is usually in the time it takes to install and configure it with sub-standard documentation, lack of wizards, etc.
If I wasn't in IT, I would not use a lot of the stuff that I do - I know I can usually "make it work" and submit the tips/questions/fixes/how-to that are requisite in using such software in it's early phases.
We actually took this question to a Professor in the Education department.
We were concerned about Bon Jovi's song where he says "I'll be there for you. These five words I say to you". One person said "Ha leave it to Bon Jovi to screw that one up. It's six words." I however was convinced it was 5 words.
The whole thing got bigger than it needed to, but the professor didn't have an immediate answer.
After reviewing with some colleagues including 1 who was an attorney, the general consensus was that it was indeed 6 words. It's also a contraction, which is pronounced as 1 word, but if you diagram that sentence, you have to separate the subject and the verb.
Therefore, if you accept the decision of the Professors (and attorney), What we acutally have is Andreessen's "Why Linux will Boom in 106 words" due to the 3 contractions he used in his list.
Although, there is a good argument for either side..
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No. Tony Blair is on your side. The majority of sane British people think Bush is one of the biggest retards ever born, never mind definitely the biggest retard ever to hold office.
(Case in point, the other day he appeared on BBC News saying "There is no middle ground between good and evil". WTF? Even 8 year olds have a more sophisticated weltanschaaung than that! Somebody send the man to a high school Ethics lesson. Even 12 year olds, when presented with a classic 'moral quandry' scenario, notice within about 5 minutes that there is almost nothing but middle ground.)
OTOH, the majority of sane Brits probably also have a general affection for the American people, culture, etc, and an appreciation that democratic capitalism is the worst system - except for all the others. This was the same feeling before Bush, the same during Bush, and will be the same after him.