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Audio Format Shifting To Be OK'd In New Zealand

Bloodrage writes "The New Zealand government is about to define a small part of the rights assumed by the 'fair use' clause in the Copyright Act 1994. Essentially they are going to protect the consumers' rights to convert media from one format to another for personal use, making it clearly legal to transfer tracks from a commercial CD to a mix-CD, MP3 player, PDA, PC, 8-track, or tuned array of hummingbirds. NZ law already makes it clear that gifting or reselling items includes a transfer all of rights, including copyright, warantee, and licencing agreements, so providing your original is the genuine article you're not a criminal. An article in the The Dominion Post gives an outline of the responses from the recording industry and why the government is considering it. It boils down to; this is 'fair use' and don't argue, and that the government can't see how the alternative could be (affordably) enforced."

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  1. New Zealand is Progressive by oacis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    New Zealand has always been surprisingly progressive when it come to technology (surprising because of the decisions of some other *cough* Australian *cough* governments, not because of anything else). DVD players with region codes are illegal in New Zealand - they see it as anti-competitive and trade restrictive.

    That's why I buy my stuff from NZ - the $AU coupled with the open trade agreement - no import tax - yay!

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  2. Re:Why is this even an issue? by 88Seconds · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FWIW here in NZ there is no 'fair use' clause allowing people to make copies for their own use. So in effect anyone who does rip any tracks from any CDs they happen to own is breaking the law. The record company execs are worried that by allowing some form of copying the floodgates will be opened.
    In the article, Micheal Glading, the MD of Sony NZ mentions that he is opposed to the move.

    Paradoxically, Sony NZ sell MiniDisc players here in NZ and also sell the blank MiniDiscs. No doubt, if you were to visit one of their retail outlets and enquire as to what you could use them for, you would probably be told by their reps that you can use them to copy CDs (I might even give it a go tomorrow).

    The law here in NZ is an ass, because it is perfectly legal to buy devices for playback of ripped cds and also legal to buy the software for ripping cds.

  3. Re:Why is this even an issue? by fpga_guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Your "error" is to assume reasonableness on the part of the record company.

    The reasonable approach would be to pay a media-replacement fee, say $2 or so.

    The really tricky problem is about the obsolescence of media. Let's say I bought "Dark Side of the Moon" on CD a few years ago. Now it's been re-released as an SACD with a stunning 5.1 surround mix etc etc. Have i bought the rights to "Dark Side of the Moon" as an entity, or just as a particular instance?

  4. Re:MOD THIS UP!!! by SlightOverdose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For the Americans, this sums up Australian politics.

    Howard (aka "Little John"): Spends his time dry humping Bush's leg. Formed a "once in a lifetime" free trade agreement with the U.S. That gave us absolutely nothing, and put a shitload of aussies out of work. Is extremely vague when asked anything.

    Latham: Opposition Leader. Cries like a little girl in parliment when things don't go his way. Breaks taxi driver's arms in his spare time.

    Crean(aka "The invisible man"). Did absolutely nothing to try and win our votes. Superseded by Latham. Last seen ignoring people.

    Beazly(aka "Big Kim"). Nobody liked him. Lost the last federal Election. Now he's better than any candidate currently running.

    Pauline "Please Explain" Hanson: Fraudulently formed a political party and stole half a million dollars of tax payers money, and god knows how much in donations. Got caught. Went to Jail. Still has supporters who claim she was a political prisoner. Her only policy, EVER, was to get rid of speed cameras. Spent an hour on sixty minutes telling us that. Also tried to bring in a new tax system, the design of which she stole from someone else (who, incidently, said it wouldn't work in the real world). Last seen complaining about something.

  5. From the art. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "It's really about enforcement. How on earth are we going to stop things like copycat kiosks springing up around the country?"
    You're not. You are going to allow the production of recordable cds and either charge as if a wounded bull for the originals -- in effect the sheet music industry does this -- or you are going to set up licenced "copycat kiosks" where your customers can create music selections of their choice. If I was a recording industry executive I'd be jumping for joy because I no longer have to carry any manufacturing production costs whatsoever.

    Your music retailer is now no longer a spacious shop with hundreds of boxes on shelves, but a small boutique establishment with a licence to copy, a fast Internet connection, a computer, and a bank of CD writers. All legal and above board. What's your problem? Providing a useful service perhaps?

  6. Re:Why is this even an issue? by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They did miss a point. They did point out that more blank CD's are sold than audio recordings. In my case, that is easy to explain. I have a digital camera. Duh! My wife and I have cars. I don't carry a case of CD's with me when we change vehicles. I download and burn LEGAL public domain old radio programs (Fibber McGee and Molly, Amos and Andy, Great Gildersleeve, Lone Ranger, Abbott and Costello, and others). I put mixes of MP3's on CD's for the living room DVD player (juke box in a single tray) and portable CD/MP3 player. Somehow the record company thinks all these uses is piracy as I didn't bother to buy multiple copies or carry a huge CD binder everywhere I go. The marketing folks have missed the boat on this one by jumping to conclusions that may not be entirely correct by assuming a blank CD sale equals an unsold audio recording sale. That assumption is simply not true. I'm in my 40's now. I have a library of CD's. I also copy all the computer games to work copies as cheap insurance for the kids. All too often they are used as carpet protectors under the wheels of the chair. I'm still finishing ripping my LP's and cassettes. (that's probably labled as piracy also) I definately bought more blank CD's than audio CD's last year by a factor of about 50:1. I don't have any P-P app installed. I'm on dial-up at home. CD's that don't back up properly get returned as defective. My burnt CD's get marked Work Copy with a listing of the location of the original.

    "Work Copy"
    "Original on file at..."

    I resent the implication I'm a pirate because I bought more blanks than I bought pre-recorded.

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  7. Correct me if I'm wrong but.... by jimicus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    does this new law include a provision making it illegal for the recording industry to produce "copy protected" CDs?

    Because if not I envision the situation becoming "you're legally entitled to copy it but good luck trying!".

  8. Re:Don't Get Excited by praksys · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they've yet to recognise gun ownership as a fundamental human right

    NZ has an unwritten constitution so it is pretty hard to say which rights are recognised as fundamental. NZ'ers also have a lot of guns. Some estimates run up to about 1,000,000 guns for about 4,000,000 people (i.e. about one gun per household).

  9. Re:Aussies unite... by Yorrike · · Score: 4, Interesting
    DVD region coding is not illegal, however, it is perfectly legal to buy/sell DVDs that are not Zone 4 (Austrailia and NZ), here in NZ, and players that are not regioned.

    For example, when I bought my DVD player, one of the selling points the guy in the store made was it was deregioned (chipped locally), and could play any and all DVDs. And it does : )

    One of the most popular DVD retailers here (Real Groovy), sells Zone 1 DVDs right next to the Zone 4 DVDs (though they are more expensive due to importing).

    In fact, one chain of video rental outlets was actually threatened by a local distrobutor for selling Zone 1 DVDs in store (not renting, that would be illegal), before the local boys had released the zone 4 distro. It's all linked to our parrallel inporting laws, which allow for such things.

    Odd that a former British colony has more freedom than the land of the free : )

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  10. Re:Binding media ownership to licenses by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer, I don't know squat about NZ law, but it's almost inconceivable that NZ law is different than just about every other country in the world on this...

    So even if a CD is stolen, the owner remains the legal licensee.

    No, you mean the owner remains the legal owner.

    You are not a licensee unless they have licenced you copy rights to manufacture more copies or for public performance or the like. Only rights get licenced, particular copies are always owned. There is no such thing as a licence to "use". You buy a book and you have every right to read it without any licence whatsoever. You buy a CD and you have every right to listen to it without any licence whatsoever.

    The copyright lobby is trying to totally redefine copyright to grant them rights over ordinary "use". They are doing a frightningly good job of convincing the public that copyright already says various things that they want it to say. When the public and the legislators believe that copyright already says what the industry wants it so say then it becomes easy for the industry to get laws passed making those changes because no one realizes it's a change. Hell, even when legislators do realize it's a change they think they are "fixing" a problem with the law because the law didn't say what they thought it was supposed to say. It's a very insidious tactic, and the media / publishing companies are the masters of manipulating perceptions.

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  11. Re:MOD THIS UP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For Australians and Americans, this sums up New Zealand politics:

    Helen Clark (the Prime Minister): scheming realpolitik plotter. Pokes her tongue out in parliament & behaves like a nyah-nyah-nyah child there, is always either scowling & smurking, or smiling narcistically whenever she's the centre of attention. Gives herself excessive self-praise as a "competent" prime minister. Has signed other people's paintings & passed them off has her own. Seems to intensely hate anybody not part of the 'university left' / 'liberal' clique, such as George Bush and the Greens (whom she calls Anarcho-Goths or something). Called a TV3 reporter a "little creep" after he interviewed her about covering up about a G.M. corn release. Dresses and speaks like a lesbian (though she is married, and denies she is).

    Don Brash: Opposition Leader, former head of the Reserve Bank: has no understanding what others are thinking. Neo-liberalist extrordinaire. Has famously stated that nobody should own their own house. Lost to the Social Credit Party in a National Party safe electorate seat... twice. Is married to a Singaporian women he had an affair with while still married. Main campaign strategy seems to be fussing about special-rights given to Maoris (they vote for Labour, so the government tries hard to aplease them, along with immigrants).

    Winston Peters: leader of the New Zealand First party: arrogant ruthless task-oriented political battler. Obsessively despises corruption and ineptness. Highly intelligent. Practically is the whole party's functional existance. Widely considered to have an alcohol problem.

    Jeanette Fitzsimons: leader of the Green Party. Very nice, kind smiley person. Has the charisma of a half-watt light bulb. Lives on her own self-sufficient organic farm. Has some crazy person stalker her.

    Maybe you'll find something more positive about NZ here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298228/