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NASA Says Mars Rocks Formed in a Salty Sea

NASA has made another announcement, live on NASA TV, regarding the discoveries of the Spirit and Opportunity rovers. They believe that the rocks examined by Opportunity were actually formed in water; that those rocks were actually sediments laid down in a shallow salty sea. They've already had outside scientists examine their data and those scientists concur with the conclusions. NASA has a story with explanations and some photos.

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  1. A Salty Sea on Mars by Captain+Tenille · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I suppose that would explain the ruins of a Long John Silver's that Viking 2 found in the 70s.

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  2. Ok by Burgundy+Advocate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's time to get our asses to Mars. There is far too much to learn for us to just sit around and do nothing.

    Especially considering some of this may be applicable to what will happen to our own planet in the future. We currently have seas. Mars used to. It'd be a good idea to figure out why they don't have them anymore.

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    1. Re:Ok by steelerguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I agree with you, it would be a dangerous mission. Look at the outrage the explosion of the latest space shuttle caused. Although there would be plenty of astronauts willing to take the risk, my guess is that, no time soon, will they even be given the opportunity.

      It seems that most people have forgotten that this kind of exploration can be dangerous. I think people would be leary of sending Lewis and Clark out in this day...but what if they get sick...what if Clark falls..yadda yadda

    2. Re:Ok by Iron+Sun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Scientists think they have a handle on why. Low atmospheric pressure means that water can't exist in liquid form on the surface any more. Mars' atmosphere was denser billions of years ago during what is called its Noachian period. For various possible reasons (such as a lack of a magnetic field to protect against the stripping solar wind) Mars' atmosphere was mostly lost, and all the water boiled off into vapour, and was either lost to space or deposited in the ice caps.

      A lengthy and detailed overview of current theories can be found here: Part 1, Part 2. Especially cool is the stuff about Mars' "obliquity cycles", namely the fact that the planet's axial tilt appears to be chaotic, and may have been completely tipped over on its side several times in the past. During such a period Mars would not have ice caps at the poles, but rather an ice belt around its equator.

  3. Re:Mars Play-by-play by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, for chrissake.

    They're throwing out updates as soon as they get them because, really, this is so far beyond anyone's expectations that we're really floored.

    The big deal is that if we really do find life that evolved separately from terran life, it throws a *huge* quandary for some philosophies and a lot of world religion, besides being a major psychological breakthrough for science. And the signs look *awfully* good.

    Besides, NASA had a lot of bad press from Columbia, and they're hungry to be able to give good news.

    And, really, aren't you even a little bit excited.

  4. Re:This is HUGE NEWS. by Scoria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but I think your jumping the gun a bit.

    Well, you obviously aren't a modern journalist. ;-)

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  5. Re:Salty sea? by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, salt accumulates in the oceans from the erosion of surface soils and rocks, as the minerals wash into larger bodies of water. This may mean that Mars once had rain.

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  6. Surf's up on Mars! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It must have been radical," said NASA spokesdude Jeff 'Sex Wax' Corona at a press conference held in a salt water taffy booth in Atlantic City, New Jersey. "The waves would have come in out of the north, and based on our topographic mapping, would have curled perfectly and just tubed out for miles."

    "Would there have been life there?" asked Jayson Blair, new cub reporter for Tool & Die Quarterly.

    "Dude!" said Corona, "With wave action like that how could there not be life? Can't you just imagine the green-skinned Mars babes lounging around, sipping Martain pina colodas while rubbing tanning butter all over their Barsooms."

    "So you think Mars mught have supported intelligent life?" asked Baba O'Reilly, a distant cousin of Bill O'Reilly working for Akron City College Daily Herald, Mid-Morning Edition.

    "Yeah... yeah... those barsooms, man," said Corona. "Huh? What? Oh, well, you wouldn't want them to be too intelligent, you know what I mean, man?"

    The press conference was brough to an early end when a catsuited Gloria Allred and Camille Paglia paraglided into the taffy booth and beat Corona into submission.

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  7. Re:Peer Review? by tfreport · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly. NASA could have sent it to a journal that would have a handful of scientists look at the arguments (which they are sure to do) or they could let the world know what they were up to and in the process have the entire world analyze things. Sure this data is through a filter of the press, which may make it harder for scientists everywhere to analyze the claim. But they did do it live on NASA TV and surely have information on their website (or soon to). Therefore for you scientists out there, you will have a great opportunity to analyze, scrutinize, etc. a huge finding.

    Meanwhile, Joe Blows like me can actually hear about it and read about it rather quickly, instead of waiting for the filter down process after a peer-reviewed journal down to a general science magazine down to Newsweek or Slashdot. And I am very happy about that. After all, I have at least a couple pennies invested in those two rovers. And I should have a right to know what they have found.

  8. Low Gravity, for one Re:makes sense by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Informative

    It (probably) got there in the first place during Mars' formation, and perhaps later due to cometary bombardment.

    As to why it was lost, crudely put: evaporation into outer space.

    Molecules of volatile gasses, including water vapor, that waft into a planet's upper atmosphere occasionally reach escape velocity and are lost.

    Why some gasses and not others? There are a bunch of factors at work:

    Heavier gasses -- CO2, for example -- require more energy to get up to escape velocity. They statistically hang around longer.

    Larger planets have higher escape velocities.

    Planets farther from the Sun recieve less insolation, so there's less of a chance that a molecule will get kicked up to escape velocity.

  9. Re:This is HUGE NEWS. by jafac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Liquid water + Gently flowing means the following:

    Mars was once geologically active -magnetic field protecting from solar radiation - thus, thicker atmosphere, thus, warmer, warm enough for flowing, liquid water, possibly also hot springs or undersea vents.

    I'd be willing to bet that the first sample-return mission will bring back sedimentary rocks filled with fossilized remains of sea creatures. Whether they evolved past the protazoan stage, who knows? But the conditions certainly existed, billions of years ago, as they existed on earth.

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  10. Luck? Or lots of water? by sampson7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What amazes me isn't so much that they discovered evidence of water on Mars, it's that they've discovered so much of it so quickly!

    This is really the first fully sucessful mission to Mars whose primary function is to search the geologic record for evidence of water -- and not only did they find it -- they found it twice and quickly at that!

    First of all -- kudos to the mission planning team. They picked their landing spots beautifully (and then hit a moving target from a moving target -- this isn't Lawn Darts folks. That alone is impressive.)

    Second -- how much like Earth is Mars??? If the entire planet was covered with Oceans at one point, then (obviously) finding water isn't that remarkable. If, however, Mars is geologically similar to Earth, then 3/4 of the "land" would have been covered with water at one point. But I don't see that.

    Mars seems to have little/no active tectonics -- and therefore no sea floor spreading. Also, since we can't find magenetically charged banding on the ancient Mars "ocean" floor, it suggests to me that Mars simply does have the characteristics that created large oceans like Earth does.

    What I want to know is if the rovers are cabale of taking a thin-section of some of these sedimentary rocks. So much of the ocean floor on our planet is actually microscopic bits of dead diatoms and other creatures -- that would certainly answer the life question!

    Which brings me back to point 1 -- if there isn't that much water, those rocket scientists really did their homework.

    Wow. This is some seriously cool sh*t.