An anonymous user writes, "Apple announced it has begun shipping its Xserve G5, the most powerful Xserve yet, to customers. Single processor is $2,999.00, dual processor is $3,999.00."
In the very near future. When? No one can say for sure.
When is there to be a G5 iMac?
Not for a while
Why does Apple still make the eMac?
Because not all schools want LCD monitors for their kids to poke pins into
When are the horribly outdated (aside from the largest size) LCD monitors going to be getting refreshed?
Not untill the resolution becomes too small.
Will Apple ever make a multi-button mouse?
Not likely
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World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Price Comparison
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vasqzr
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Apple $3,999
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 512K L2 cache/processor 1GHz system bus/processor 1GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM 80GB Serial ATA drive Mac OS X Server (Unlimited Client) Dual Gigabit Ethernet CD ROM drive
Dell $4,127
PE1750 1U Dual 2.4GHz Xeon 72GB HD 1GB RAM Dual Gigabit Ethernet CDROM NO OS
$5,626 if you get the dual 3.2 GHz chips (1MB Cache, 2MB is more) that Apple compares the XServe to on their website.
Re:Price Comparison
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ERJ
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Sun $3,945.00
2 AMD Opteron Model 242 Processor
2-GB Memory
1 36-GB 10000 RPM Ultra320 SCSI Disk Drive
2 10/100/1000 Ethernet Ports
Sun Solaris 9
Re:Price Comparison
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RalphBNumbers
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Actually that price you quote for the Sun doesn't include the operation system.
It's also worth noting that the Opteron 242 is the 1.6Ghz version.
Sun doesn't sell the Opteron 246 (the 2ghz chips that apple compares it's XServe to on it's site), but either the 244 (1.8Ghz) or 248 (2.2Ghz) would probably make a more fair comparison.
The base prices for Sun's dual 244 and 248 1U servers are $4,445.00 and $6,995.00 respectively.
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Re:Price Comparison
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ERJ
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Hate to nitpick but...
From the order page:
The Solaris Operating System (x86 Platform Edition) is pre-installed on the server in 32-bit and 64-bit support will be available soon. Includes software, license and documentation.
Re:Price Comparison
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Anonymous Coward
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There are alot of reasons that HP model is cheaper.
Unlike the XServe, the Dell, and the Sun, that HP's drives are not hot swapable. (and I'd be willing to bet alot of other internals aren't either)
It has the least cache of the x86 offereings.
It has the by far the slowest memory of any of the servers in the thread (it has DDR266, where most have DDR333, and the XServe has DDR400).
It has only one PCIX slot, where most of the offerings in the thread have 2 or more.
etc...
You get what you pay for.
Re:Price Comparison
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b-baggins
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Xserve 64-bit support is available now.
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Re:Price Comparison
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Anonymous Coward
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Excuse me?
I just went to dell.com and configured a 1750 just as you said: the price came to $1,948.
Am I missing something?
Go here and add a second CPU, one GB of RAM and the 72GB, 10K rpm hard disk.
that's $1499+ 2nd Processor Intel Xeon, 2.4GHz w/512K Cache, 533Mhz Front Side Bus [add $299 or $8/month1] + 1GB DDR SDRAM (2X512MB) at a 512 price (mail-in rebate not valid) Dell Recommended + 73GB,10K RPM, 1in (Ultra 320) SCSI Hot Plug Hard Drive [add $150 or $4/month1]
$1948 dude, not $4127.
Re:Price Comparison
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Anonymous Coward
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I hate to burst your bubble, but the Opteron only uses 2 of those 3 6.4GB/sec HT links in the dual-proc configs we're talking about.
The G5 has 2 and uses them both, and they're clocked at 1Ghz (8GB/sec each) as opposed to 800Mhz for the 6.4GB/sec links on the Opteron you mentioned.
And I think we all know gcc isn't as efficient compiling for the PPC970 as we'd like. If you take a look as a benchmark that can be well optimized for both processors (like linpack for instance), you'll find the 970's performance very respectable. (about equivalent to a similarly clocked Opteron in most areas, superior in some (floating point math with MADDs, vector processing, etc), and inferior in others (memory latency, etc).
It's not even close to the one sided contest you assert.
Apple mouse
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Anonymous Coward
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Re:how long to ship
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pudge
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I believe the emacs are focused mainly on elementary schools and a similar environmnet (ie, youngsters).
They were, but are no longer.
Also, if you notice on the apple store if you are buying for an educational institution you have the option of getting them wtih a superdrive, which is not available even for the students buying one for themselves.
False. Any customer can buy an eMac with SuperDrive.
Price per gigaflop
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Somegeek
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I looked at the results and figured, ok the Apple is faster, but the Opteron will be cheaper and faster on a per dollar basis. That's not what I found:
G5 server as configured for Apple's linpac test: dual g5, 1gb ram, dual 250gb sata $4799.00 at apple.com achieved 9 gigaflops in Apple's test $533/gigaflop (its worth noting that in Apple's tech paper (link below), they quote $333/gigaflop, but that in a footnote, #5, they base that on a MSRP of 2799 and 9 gigaflop performance. Now where they are getting that price from I don't know, and the math doesn't work out either, so I'm going with my numbers.)
IBM e325 server as configured by Apple for linpac test: dual Opteron 246, 1gig 2700, dual scsi 15k 36gb (user installed linux os) $5191.00 at ibm.com achieved 5.9 in Apple's test $878/gigaflop
generic server with similar config as Apple used for IBM server for linpac test: dual Opteron 246, 1gig 2700, dual sata 7200 80gb preinstalled linux os $3126.00 at asaservers.com assuming 5.9 in Apple's test $529/gigaflop. (sure you could probably build something cheaper yourself, but this comes with a warranty and support.)
So, for this benchmark, Apple looks like the best performer, and at a good price/performance standpoint too. And to get similar performance, you would need more Opteron blades, which means more space, heat, juice, etc.
Yes, this still leaves a lot up in the air; it would be nice to see these tests run by an independent party, etc, using an AMD hardware configuration that was optimized for the test as the Apple surely was, etc. etc.
Apple's notes on test configurations and performance results for the xserve G5: http://a192.g.akamai.net/7/192/51/0c5b0d0ef0f 03b/w ww.apple.com/server/pdfs/L301323A_XserveG5_TO.pdf
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I don't know who paid for all of your tuitions, but chez nous, $ is pretty dear. The emac and ibook line are an incredible buy for the student who doesn't necesarily have 2600$ to throw around.
emac= well priced.
Re:Hopefully the rumors will hold...
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kannibal_klown
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It's not like the first versions of PC / laptops explode or anything. But they have some design flaws that range from annoying to just plain wrong. But, it's not like it's Apple's fault. Many companies have the same problem (even car companies).
First generation 12" PowerBooks ran a lot hotter than they do now, and warped (some still do, but not as often).
First generation 15" Aluminum PowerBooks had white markes (splotches) on the screen.
I think the early Powerbook Ti's suffered from the keyboard pressing into the screen way too hard, leaving indentations.
The list goes on. But they're no worse off than 1st generation products from other companies. My first generation Inspiron 3700 sucked. So much so, that Dell killed the line shortly later to release a "fixed" 3800.
Since the 1st rev Powerbook G5 will be their first attempt at a mobile G5, I'd hold off until maybe revision 3 just to be safe. I jsut bought a 15" Powerbook Aluminum, and love it (it's now my main computer). It'll keep me more than happy until the G5 comes out and matures.
I can think of a few...
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Llywelyn
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0) It is a 1U Rackmount. Significantly smaller. 1) *Dual* onboard gigabit ethernet on an independent bus. 2) 3 SATA drive channels w/ *hardware* RAID 0, 1, 3, and 5. This is opposed to the Tower's support for Software RAID 0 and 1. 3) ECC RAM. 4) Lower heat and possibly power. This is (strictly) a guess based on them using a newer revision of the processor. 5) A DB-9 serial port. 6) Blinkenlights:-) 7) Yes, OS X Server.
Discount at Apple Store Europe online
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xiaodidi
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I got an offer at the Apple Store Europe online for a 4-node Xserve cluster. I was given a substantial rebate of about 15 % on the grounds that I will use the hardware for scientific research -- albeit for a commercial company. Extra memory is also on sale at the moment. Check it out before you buy a Dell or something.
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Also available is a $2,999 DUal 2 GHz cluster node, which can run Xgrid, so you too can feel like Virginia Tech.
In Repressive Burma, it's not just your connection that dies. slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=314547&cid=20819199
Feeding the trolls I know:
When was the G5 xServe announced? Does anyone care now that it is finally shipping?
It was announced in Jan: See here (I think).
And VT cares. As does a my local university.
When is the PowerMac going to be updated?
In the very near future. When? No one can say for sure.
When is there to be a G5 iMac?
Not for a while
Why does Apple still make the eMac?
Because not all schools want LCD monitors for their kids to poke pins into
When are the horribly outdated (aside from the largest size) LCD monitors going to be getting refreshed?
Not untill the resolution becomes too small.
Will Apple ever make a multi-button mouse?
Not likely
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Apple
$3,999
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache/processor
1GHz system bus/processor
1GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM
80GB Serial ATA drive
Mac OS X Server (Unlimited Client)
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
CD ROM drive
Dell
$4,127
PE1750 1U
Dual 2.4GHz Xeon
72GB HD
1GB RAM
Dual Gigabit Ethernet
CDROM
NO OS
$5,626 if you get the dual 3.2 GHz chips (1MB Cache, 2MB is more) that Apple compares the XServe to on their website.
Apple's Mouse patent.
Could this be their future?
I believe the emacs are focused mainly on elementary schools and a similar environmnet (ie, youngsters).
They were, but are no longer.
Also, if you notice on the apple store if you are buying for an educational institution you have the option of getting them wtih a superdrive, which is not available even for the students buying one for themselves.
False. Any customer can buy an eMac with SuperDrive.
I looked at the results and figured, ok the Apple is faster, but the Opteron will be cheaper and faster on a per dollar basis. That's not what I found:
f 03b/w ww.apple.com/server/pdfs/L301323A_XserveG5_TO.pdf
G5 server as configured for Apple's linpac test:
dual g5, 1gb ram, dual 250gb sata
$4799.00 at apple.com
achieved 9 gigaflops in Apple's test
$533/gigaflop
(its worth noting that in Apple's tech paper (link below), they quote $333/gigaflop, but that in a footnote, #5, they base that on a MSRP of 2799 and 9 gigaflop performance. Now where they are getting that price from I don't know, and the math doesn't work out either, so I'm going with my numbers.)
IBM e325 server as configured by Apple for linpac test:
dual Opteron 246, 1gig 2700, dual scsi 15k 36gb
(user installed linux os)
$5191.00 at ibm.com
achieved 5.9 in Apple's test
$878/gigaflop
generic server with similar config as Apple used for IBM server for linpac test:
dual Opteron 246, 1gig 2700, dual sata 7200 80gb
preinstalled linux os
$3126.00 at asaservers.com
assuming 5.9 in Apple's test
$529/gigaflop.
(sure you could probably build something cheaper yourself, but this comes with a warranty and support.)
So, for this benchmark, Apple looks like the best performer, and at a good price/performance standpoint too. And to get similar performance, you would need more Opteron blades, which means more space, heat, juice, etc.
Yes, this still leaves a lot up in the air; it would be nice to see these tests run by an independent party, etc, using an AMD hardware configuration that was optimized for the test as the Apple surely was, etc. etc.
Apple's notes on test configurations and performance results for the xserve G5:
http://a192.g.akamai.net/7/192/51/0c5b0d0ef0
And as you tread the halls of sanity, You feel so glad to be, Unable to go beyond. I have a message, From another time..
I don't know who paid for all of your tuitions, but chez nous, $ is pretty dear. The emac and ibook line are an incredible buy for the student who doesn't necesarily have 2600$ to throw around.
emac= well priced.
It's not like the first versions of PC / laptops explode or anything. But they have some design flaws that range from annoying to just plain wrong. But, it's not like it's Apple's fault. Many companies have the same problem (even car companies).
First generation 12" PowerBooks ran a lot hotter than they do now, and warped (some still do, but not as often).
First generation 15" Aluminum PowerBooks had white markes (splotches) on the screen.
I think the early Powerbook Ti's suffered from the keyboard pressing into the screen way too hard, leaving indentations.
The list goes on. But they're no worse off than 1st generation products from other companies. My first generation Inspiron 3700 sucked. So much so, that Dell killed the line shortly later to release a "fixed" 3800.
Since the 1st rev Powerbook G5 will be their first attempt at a mobile G5, I'd hold off until maybe revision 3 just to be safe. I jsut bought a 15" Powerbook Aluminum, and love it (it's now my main computer). It'll keep me more than happy until the G5 comes out and matures.
0) It is a 1U Rackmount. Significantly smaller. :-)
1) *Dual* onboard gigabit ethernet on an independent bus.
2) 3 SATA drive channels w/ *hardware* RAID 0, 1, 3, and 5. This is opposed to the Tower's support for Software RAID 0 and 1.
3) ECC RAM.
4) Lower heat and possibly power. This is (strictly) a guess based on them using a newer revision of the processor.
5) A DB-9 serial port.
6) Blinkenlights
7) Yes, OS X Server.
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
I got an offer at the Apple Store Europe online for a 4-node Xserve cluster. I was given a substantial rebate of about 15 % on the grounds that I will use the hardware for scientific research -- albeit for a commercial company. Extra memory is also on sale at the moment. Check it out before you buy a Dell or something.