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U.S. Students Shun Computer Science, Engineering
n9fzx writes "The San Jose Mercury News reports on a study by the Computing Research Association which finds that 'Undergraduates in U.S. universities are starting to abandon their studies in computer technology and engineering amid widespread worries about the accelerating pace of offshoring by high-technology employers.' Enrollment in those fields has dropped by 19% in the past year alone." Update: 03/24 23:40 GMT by CN : jlechem wrote in with a related story: "Wired News has a story about how American companies are outsourcing not because of cheap labor but because of the American school system not being up to snuff. In a report by the AeA, they contend that American schools don't teach enough math and science anymore."
...more money for me when all these god damned baby boomers retire.
It is a good time to go into a medical field though. We need lots of people who can write prescriptions for Viagra.
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Undergraduates in U.S. universities are starting to abandon their studies in computer technology and engineering... Enrollment in those fields has dropped by 19% in the past year alone.
Woohoo! Less competition for me!
So long suckers!
Sorry, that should have read:
U.S. Shuns Computer Science, Engineering Students
And I'm afraid it's just a rehash of an old JonKatz rant.
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That is SO MUCH crap, you mindles sheeple randroid.....
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Oops! I meant to say "mindlesS"!
Here is the rest of my post:
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THere are NEVER more jobs than people. THere never have been. The entire history of the Americas is the story of flooding the supply of labor so that the workers will get less money. Perhaps you have heard of slavery? And all the waves of mass immigration? All about lowering the price of labor.
Hey, moronic Randroid....WE WANT labor prices to be high! That's A GOOD THING, you pre-programmed sheeple. Do you ever hear about business owners complaining that profits are TOO HIGH? Of course not. And our wages ARE our profits.
Outsourcing is just the latest wave in the series of labor-market manipulations by the rich. And it aint great that treasonous little sheeple like you are in it with us all? You are a traitor to your fellow citizen. And if I have MY way, we will get a constitution defining economic treason, and traitors like you will be punished accordingly....
Hey, mods...KARMA TO BURN!
Proposed 28th Constitutional Amendment: Economic Treason (outlaws outsourcing, corporate immigration, etc.)
eat shiat and bark at the moon
My kids are in middle school and they are approaching idiots with regard to the sciences in comparison to what I was exposed to at that grade level.
They spend more time on conflict resolution and other tree hugging ultra-liberal bullshit then they do actually getting around to solving a problem or making a better mousetrap.
America didn't get to where they are by group hugs and sing-a-longs. And the cold fact is we are about to get bypassed by everyone in the world whom we can't bomb unless we start telling johnny he's just going to have to get over it and learn math and science.
Schools in America suck really bad. They have gone ultra liberal and as such are no longer viable institutions for education.
I'm not the least bit surprised by this move and until there is sufficient economic force in the US for the jobs to exist here people won't bother. And you can't legislate economic forces.
jeez...where are some of you people going to school anyway? I'm finishing up my junior year at UNM and already I have done the following:
taken standard algorithms out of CLR and improved upon them, then wrote extensive papers on how much these were improved(quicksort, skiplists) over the published algorithms.
written a logo(you know, turtle graphics) interpreter in Scheme. A fricken 2000-line interpreter in Scheme.
written malloc(as one of many examples) in assembly language.
wrote a hash table class that fully implements the java.util.Map interface and then used it as part of my own custom spam filtering program - the spec also made it so it would work on any UNIX system with procmail.
This is but a subset of what I've had to do, and I'm not even in my senior year yet! I don't go to Carnegie Mellon or MIT either, I go to UNM. And yet I constantly read about stories such as yours where people are graduating with CS degrees without having to do much work.
At any rate, take heart - at least some of us will be graduating knowing something about CS.
(of course this may explain why even C students from here get recruited by Microsoft, IBM, HP, et. al.)
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
CATO's advertised philosophy isn't supposed to make it "less silly." Its to contrast it with modern academia that does have a perspective though it likes to advertise itself as sactified,un-silly, and unbiased.
Manipulators love to talk about "bias" - because they cannot imagine anyone who doesn't think like them. They really can't get their heads around the fact that, often (though hardly always) academic consensus forms around the truth - frequently because the truth is obvious.
They merely stand on the fringes and say: it is in my interests (so I believe) to convince people otherwise. So I will call all of "modern academia" biased. As if you could forget that proponents of your own ideas had plenty of shots at making their case to their peers, but were always, in the end, laughed out of the room.
As they will always be, in any room where the occupants you argue with are relatively non-credulous and moderately educated, and you can't intimidate them with threats, violence or other elaborate conspiracies.
Realize the parallel of your statement is that a country that enslaves its population, makes them work for no money but houses and feeds them will have a more efficient economy than a country that allows its labor to earn and spend their own money. Do you really agree with this?
That is not a parallel of my statement, so I do not agree with it.
You're amusing - trying to conflate slavery with a command economy.
I am sure, despite your best efforts, people will continue to understand that what is most economically efficient != what is best for the people in the economy.
The South used to produce cotton so efficiently, you'd think it was picked by slaves.
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The top 1% will be the top 1% anywhere. Anecdotal evidence is meaningless. On average I find our school systems turns out very ignorant poeple. Whihc is also anecdotal. Real statistics say American math and science abilities lag behind asian abilities.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Education is being geared towards females, therefore there is a lot less emphasis on maths and science.
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Thanks to parents who don't kick their asses to study, thanks to computer games, game consoles, TV, entertainment, internet, chat, online games, shopping, clubbing, partying, "going out", need I say more? Of course it all apart of growing up. I too one time was there, that was 6 years ago; found out on my own the kind of $$$$ maths and sciences command. Over all who to blame for the laziness and ineptness of American school kids? The lazy Parents. They should be the ones to crack down on their lazy son/daughter to do work instead of "play" What's going to happen if parents don't do their job? Well, our beloved Uncle Sugar and his buddies in office. For example, you can kind of see it happening right now. Let have the government decide what the children can hear and see on TV. (www.stopfcc.com) Yes, that will help solve the problem for sure (*note sarcasm*)
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