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Keystroke Logger Faces Federal Wiretap Charges

securitas writes "In what prosecutors say is the first case of its kind, a former insurance claims manager was indicted on federal wiretapping charges for allegedly installing a keystroke logger on another employee's computer. The device was secretly installed 'on a PC used by a secretary to senior executives at Bristol West Insurance Group.' Reuters reports that the man, who had been fired, was gathering information for a class action lawsuit against his former employer. SecurityFocus interviews would-be keystroke logger user Larry Lee Ropp who reportedly installed the KEYKatcher device on the PC."

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  1. Just slightly OT by The-Bus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From http://www.keykatcher.com/testimonials/index.html

    "I must thank you for this great invention. Early this year, I discovered my 14-year-old daughter was on the ICQ with a person with a name of "P****". I was shocked and did not know what to do. I then e-mailed the editor of Parent and Child and they reccommended me to do a search on the internet. I was very fortunate to have purchased a KEYKatcher. The ability to read my daughter's e-mail has helped us to make the right decision about the school she would attend last September..."

    I mean, is there any useful use for this device at all?

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    1. Re:Just slightly OT by mirko · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, they'll begin typ1ng l1k3 w4r3z m0f035 t0 /\v01d b31ng tr4x0rr3d by n4z1s ?

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    2. Re:Just slightly OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I mean, is there any useful use for this device at all?

      No. Not unless you think like this:

      Dear god, think of the children. WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

      The correct solution is called parenting. There is no substitute for parental supervision and being involved with your children's activities. You wouldn't let a child watch whatever TV station they want, completely unsupervised - so why would you do the same with an internet-enabled computer? Call me old fashioned, but I don't even think a child should be allowed access to a net-connected computer unless it's in a shared, plainly visible family room environment.

      Using tricks to snoop on your kids like this will breed an attitude of distrust and paranoia. You'll also only find out what they're up to after the event. Instead of working against them, you should actively work with them.

      Plus, with a software solution - you actually have to check the logs from time to time. If you care so little that you'd rather a piece of software babysat your child, eventually you'll stop reading the logs because that involves effort.

    3. Re:Just slightly OT by Slamtilt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I take it you're not a parent. Find one who wouldn't be concerned that we offered filter free, non-monitored use of the internet.

      I'm a parent, and I wouldn't send my kids to a school with a policy like yours. That policy is not, by the way, the same as offering "filter-free, non-monitored use of the internet". There are ways of achieving a safe and humane environment without logging every keystroke, and it's disingenuous to imply that there aren't.

    4. Re:Just slightly OT by Cr3d3nd0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a matter of fact I just found a maybe not so much legal, as a justifiable use for a keylogger. My girfriend lives at home with her mom, 6 year old brother, and her mom's boyfriend. Being the geek I am I took the time to help clean their system of spyware and the like when I ran into a few child pornography pictures in the recycle bin. Seeing as they have a 6 year old child living there I wanted to keep an eye on their system to find out where the pictures had come from. Sure enough three days later I got a log in the email of the boyfriend chatting with a young child online. I informed the mother, and the police and now the asshole is up on child porn charges. Obviously they couldn't use the keylog information but the fact that the pictures were on there was enough.

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    5. Re:Just slightly OT by maximilln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why does everyone use Columbine as an excuse to increase Big Brotherism?

      Anyone with an ounce of honest thought realizes that watchful Big Brother wouldn't have prevented Columbine. Watchful Big Brother always sides with the majority popular clique. If anything watchful Big Brother would've helped the priveleged students antagonize their scapegoat prey and would've brought the whole situation to a head much earlier.

      Which isn't a bad thing. Armchair parents and water-cooler gossips needed a wakeup call. I don't condone the end result of those actions but, in all honesty, the clique nature of our social system is just begging for it.

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    6. Re:Just slightly OT by Catbeller · · Score: 5, Funny

      MEMO: Privacy and Intellectual Property Protection Policy of NorthByNorthwestern University

      Anyone (hereafter referred to as "we") in the employ of NBNWU designated by appropriate management can monitor any activities of any student, employee, or casual visitor to to your dorm at any time. We reserve the right to record any activities, up to and including really gymnastic-quality sex. We reserve the right to distribute said information and cool tapes if we want to. Get over it.

      If you (student/employee/casual sex encounter) do not like this, we suggest therapy for your sad case of paranoia.

      If you (student) do not like this, you are free to quit this institution and become free to obtain any employment you desire in the fast-growing field of janitorial work.

      We reserve the right to give your ass up to the Feds on command. Or even if we feel they may be interested. Or if you seem suspicious to us in any way.

      We feel that you (student/employee/casual encounter) should feel safer in the hands of a benevolent power such as We; what are you complaining about, hippy? Something to hide? Hmm?

      We are broke, and are of necessity closing down Student Health Services for lack of funds. This will not deter us from investing 23 million dollars in an all-campus surveillance system necessitiated by the vicious attack on one of our coeds by Millie the pit-poodle.

      All independent ad-hoc "dark" networks, and of course independently created wireless networks are forbidden as they violate the purpose of maintaining the public safety of NBNWU; unmonitored communications are sadly reliquated to the distant past. 9-11 9-11 9-11, and of course, 9-11.

      We at NBNWU also feel that consistent with our finest traditions of preparing our graduates for the rigors of the working world, our students should acclimate themselves to the weekly anal examinations, virginity and drug tests, and loyalty oaths prepared by your loving administration. We love our President, our God, and our Alumni Association.

      Your tuition will be raised by 15% this year. If you have a problem with this, take it up with the 10,000 people waiting to get in behind your expelled butt.

  2. Federal wiretapping charges? by pinkUZI · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When is the last time you remember hearing about an indictment for actual wiretapping? Doesn't it seem like people get away with wiretapping regularly? I'm thinking about things like the illegally recorded phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky. Or does the law specify exemption if it is done for a good cause?

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  3. What if... by RandoMBU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They were to apply federal wiretapping laws to spyware? If an unauthorized piece of software transmits information about my activities to a third party without my knowledge... that sounds like wiretapping to me.

  4. I've used a keyboard logger by spidergoat2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We had a consultant (former employee) work at a branch office. The owner said to keep an eye on them. I want to the branch office and told every employee that I was installing a keyboard logger and why. When the consultant (former employee) logged on, they had no idea they were being tracked. I discovered they had a back door account and were logging into a supervisor account. Good or bad, I discovered the holes in my system.

  5. Lessons learned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to agree that this sort of behaviour is absolutely inevitable in nowadays everyday life. In the past it was called "social control" where small communities monitored each other's behaviour to see if somebody wasn't stepping out of line. If they would, due psychological force could be executed to get them in line again ("gossip"). Now this practice has mainly gone away simply because there are less and less small communities, and thus we need to monitor other people by different means. Ofcourse, in due time virtual communities will take over the "social control" thing in a comparable way, but it's not there yet.

    In the meantime, we shall have to rely on the usual methods of camera's, microphones, keyloggers and traitors. I think we can learn a lot from former Soviet-Russia and sortlike countries that have executed this behaviour in great practical ways...

  6. thinkgeek disclaimer? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    so when is the disclaimer going up at thinkgeek?

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/5a05/

    disclaimer: please do not buy this product and use it for what you think you were going to use it for, thank you... same with that x10 camera you were thinking about too, while we're at it

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  7. Almost .... there ... by Jahf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should keylogging a co-worked be illegal? Yes (though if it is done by your employer and you signed consent then no, just like phone monitoring ... free will works both ways).

    Should keylogging be considered wiretapping? NO. It is a distinctly different technology and all lumping things together does is make it easier to confuse the issue the next time someone wants a warrant to do something -similar-.

    Keylogging, network interception and a whole host of other things are still quite different from basic phone taps. They should be given a distinct category that can be properly defined.

    If anything, the expectation of privacy on the line between your computer and your keyboard is MUCH higher than any expectation people have today for phones (when was the last time you started typing and realized someone else was typing on your computer as well ... VNC not included :).

    Plus, you can't expect that by listening in on a phone you are going to regularly hear someone's social security # (my bank uses it for my login id ... idiots), their credit card # (amazon), or their root password. Keylogging is far more invasive.

    In the end I think the guy should be penalized more than wiretapping, but not -as- a wiretapper.

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  8. Does this contradict the Scarfo case? by Dr.+Blue · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems like the feds are contradicting themselves (I guess that's not a huge surprise). In the Scarfo case, the FBI claimed they didn't need a wiretap approval to put a keystroke logger on Scarfo's computer because they were only monitoring internal communications between the keyboard and the computer. Thus it wasn't a wiretap.

    Now the government is prosecuting someone for doing the exact same thing. Has anyone else noticed this contradiction, or am I missing some important distinction?