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WTO Wants USA to Gamble Online

revtom writes "The WTO has ruled that the U.S. must allow online gambling or face trade barriers. My favorite quote from the article (Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va), 'It cannot be allowed to stand that another nation can impose its values on the U.S. and make it a trade issue.' Pot/Kettle black?"

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  1. Re:Nothing New Here by aengblom · · Score: 5, Informative

    The U.S. did not withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol... it never agreed to abide by it.

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    So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
  2. Article 20 of the GATT protects morals but... by AtlanticCarbon · · Score: 5, Informative
    GATT:
    Article XX: General Exceptions
    Subject to the requirement that such measures are not applied in a manner which would constitute a means of arbitrary or unjustifiable discrimination between countries where the same conditions prevail, or a disguised restriction on international trade, nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prevent the adoption or enforcement by any contracting party of measures:

    (a) necessary to protect public morals;

    The WTO probably decided the US is discriminating since it allows gambling in a lot of similar situations. Anyways, with lotteries, Nevada, and Indian Casinos its probably hard to argue gambling is against America's public morals.

  3. Re:Nothing New Here by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody really agreed to abide by it, once they actually understood the thing. It sounded great at first but then nations realized it would bankrupt their manufacturing economy. And before anyone says it was a Bush thing, the senate voted, before Bush took office, 98-0 in favor of scrapping it. Clinton signed it in his final days to make himself look good, knowing he wouldn't be around for the fallout.

  4. Re:Nothing New Here by alext · · Score: 4, Informative

    If by "nobody" you mean countries other than the US, Australia and Russia, then yes, "nobody" is agreeing to abide by it. Meanwhile the EU and Japan continue to have economies and not to feel too threatened by Kyoto.

    The protocol has a trigger clause in it for it to come into force - countries accounting for at least 55% of 1990 carbon dioxide emissions must be signed up. Right now there are 44%, Russia being seen as the critical guy to enlist as it would be sufficient to reach the target.

  5. Re:canada? by syrinx · · Score: 4, Informative

    I always heard that the original classification was 1st World = US, Western Europe, and similar countries (yes, including Canada). 2nd World = USSR and its friends. And 3rd World = everyone else that the two major powers didn't care much about.

    Since the USSR isn't around anymore, that's why you never hear "second world".

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    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
  6. Re:Nothing New Here by TomHandy · · Score: 4, Informative
    Hrmm....... somehow I really doubt you've actually READ the full text that the Machiavelli quote comes from (more likely you found the quote and figured it met your purposes).

    But as far as Machiavelli goes, that particular quote is one of the most commonly taken out of context. If you do ever bother to read the rest of the text, you'll find that Machiavelli goes on to say that, on balance, it is still good to try and be loved, and to not go out of your way to do things that make you feared, as it is much easier to rule and get what you want if people at least generally like you. There's a lot more complexity to a lot of what Machiavelli wrote, including that one, than can be gleened from a simple one line quote.

    -Tom

  7. Re:Nothing New Here by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those interested in the actual case law, the report of the panel (read: the court's verdict) ought to appear on this page in a few hours. You should probably take a look at this basic primer in WTO law first to make any sense of it, though.

    The case is actually pretty straightforward, I guess - in the course of GATS negotiations, the U.S. has voluntarily opened its entertainment services sector to foreign competition (check the U.S. schedule of commitments, page 71) and forgot to schedule an exemption for gambling services.

    This is somewhat understandable, I guess - after all, the 1994 Uruguay Round negotiations have not been called "the most complex negotiations in all history" for nothing. But now the U.S. will have to stand by its word.

    A hint to the incensed U.S. Congressman: The WTO Agreements have caused significant changes in public policy all over the world, often in furtherance of U.S. interests (for example, the EU can't prohibit, according to a Panel ruling, the import of U.S. meat treated with growth hormones). Don't cry foul when you're forced to open up your economy under the same rules you promoted and signed.

  8. Re:Interesting quote -- huh? by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 5, Informative

    The specifics do not remain confidential; this is a factual error in the article. All WTO rulings are open to the public, accessible via this link (case number 285). It will take some time - a few hours or up to two days, as this is the weekend on Europe now - for the ruling to appear, however.