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Watch Your Neighbors Political Contribution

arrianus writes "Fundrace.org gives a fascinating perspective on campaign donation laws. You can look up people's political donations to the current presidential campaign based on name (type in a friend's name, and see how much money he donated, and to whom), location (see which of your neighbors are politically active). I leave the privacy implications of this as an exercise to the reader. How long before this is tied into marketing databases? What happens if an employer were to prescreen employees based on political leanings?" Well, it is illegal to screen like that - and frankly, for a healthy democracy, it's probably better to have this in the open. Still, disturbing to see.

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  1. Legality by FattMattP · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, it is illegal to screen like that
    Well, yeah, it's illegal to screen based on age, gender, race, and so forth but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Not too much one can do about it either. :-(
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  2. This is great by NickV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's alot like www.opensecrets.org. I really think that anything involving the government should be as open as possibile, including figuring out where politicians get their money. I want to know if there is any possibility for a candidate to be influenced by his big donors (cough, cough, bush).

    This is a GOOD thing. We should know who's donating to what political party, if only to keep people (and money) in check with power.

  3. Not everything should be private by Toxygen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because something CAN be private, doesn't mean it should be, or that you should should get uptight about someone offering it to the public or individuals. I don't see what the problem is with making this kind of information public. It's definitely wrong to discriminate against someone based on this information, but wanting it to be unavailable sounds like curing a disease by killing the patient.

    The way I see it, if you're making donations or otherwise supporting your political party or viewpoints, you shouldn't be afraid to stand up tall and say it loud and proud. What exactly would you be supporting that you don't want other people to know about? If you don't want other people to know where you stand on certain issues, political or not, maybe you should think about why you're supporting those issues or groups in the first place. If you're hiding any of your beliefs or opinions because you're worried about offending or alienating someone, then you just simply don't believe in them strongly enough to justify raising a fuss when those beliefs or opinions are trampled on. In other words, I think people should speak up BEFORE their silence creates the problem.

    1. Re:Not everything should be private by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you're hiding any of your beliefs or opinions because you're worried about offending or alienating someone, then you just simply don't believe in them strongly enough to justify raising a fuss when those beliefs or opinions are trampled on.

      Spoken like a true member of the white male heterosexual christian majority...

      Why should I have to defend my beliefs to you or anyone else? Why can't my political beliefs be simply none of your business? Like it or not, when you hold political/religious/sexual/etc. views that are different than the majority -- and make these views public -- people will look at you and treat you differently. Saying that if you don't publicize your beliefs then you don't believe them strongly enough is simply naive.

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    2. Re:Not everything should be private by misterpies · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>Why should I have to defend my beliefs to you or anyone else? Why can't my political beliefs be simply none of your business?

      Excuse me, but political beliefs are different from religious beliefs, sexual orientation etc. The latter are properly private and need concern no-one else. But your political beliefs, if enacted, will result in changes to policies and laws that will affect EVERYONE. So long as you don't act on them, then OK, they too are private. But if you're giving money to a campaign to bring about those changes, then yes, you should be ready to defend those views in public.

      There's another equally important reason for campaign contributions to be public. Many people and businesses use political contributions as a way of buying access to politicians. It's essential to know who's giving what to whom, or you end up with a world in which money is more important than votes. (Or maybe that's already happened - because the rules are too easy to get around.)

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  4. Re:Absolutely stupid. by xanderwilson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I want to contribute to the Satanist party

    How exactly is it decided which charities are political and which aren't? This search is just for presidential donations, it appears. But what if you donated to Bush because you want to support education--his?

    Alex.

  5. Re:Absolutely stupid. by bjackrian · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why? Could somebody please give me a solid reason as to why this is of benefit to a democracy? (though, of course, the US is a federal republic - not a pure democracy).

    It helps us to know what is motivating our elected officials to do things. For example, on the PIRATE Act threat, it's been pointed out that Senator Hatch received a lot of money from the entertainment industry. This might suggest to some of his voters that he cares more about the people he gets money from than about the voters he's supposed to represent. You can argue whether it is undue influence, but the more information that voters have to make that decision, the better their decisions are likely to be.

    Another example. Suppose, hypothetically, that Bush had received contributions from every president of an oil company (as well as their spouses, children, etc.). Some voters (myself included) might use that information in deciding whether or not to vote for him. I might decide that those contributions are what motivated his decision to invade Iraq and not any real fear of Iraq as a threat. If that's the case, I might decide to vote for someone else who I feel is more willing to represent my intersts, rather than the interests of rich people. Again, not everyone would have the same interpretation as I would, but I think it's important that voters be given the information so that they can decide.

    After all, our federal republic is all about giving people as much information as possible and allowing them to elected representatives based on that information.

  6. circumvention of $2,000 limits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Problem with this mechanism is that it subverts the $2000 maximum. See I'm a low-level manager for company Y, my manager mentions to me about how much he likes Mr. Bush and in the same sentance hints that reviews are coming up soon and that mid-year end bonuses could be very generous. I know I'm giving to Bush, and I know most of my fellow line supervisors are also giving the 2K maximum. That's errm, about 1000*2000=2M from our company alone... and we are not even Fortune 100.

  7. Re:Legality??? by foooo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here! Here!

    Discrimination has become such a negative term these days. I consider myself a person with discriminating tastes. I discriminate when I choose my friends, when I choose the neighborhood where I want to live... the muffin that I want to eat (I prefer poppyseed) etc...

    Discrimination is part of our constitutional right to Freedom of Association. I for one am in favor of the government limiting discrimination in it's own actions. But people are promised the right to associated with anyone who would associate with them willingly and they are also free to *not* associated with anyone.

    As horrible as it is to discriminate based on things such as race, color, sex, politics, religion etc.

    The right to discriminate is just as much a right as the right to free speech.

    Before you flame... consider this.. most people think that there is a constitutional right to seperation of church and state**. I would suggest this line of reasoning

    1) There is a right to freedom of association
    2) Many people want to protected minorities (etc)for moral reasons

    Now ponder this... how different is this from forcing a religion on someone? Forcing morals on someone... but not only that.. forcing morals that the constitution specifically says can not be enforced via freedom of association.

    **There isn't any thing saying that there is seperation of church and state in the constitution, read the fine print... the framers just didn't want something like the Church of England. The specific wording was "...shall not establish..." What do you think establishing religion entails?? The line is fuzzy... but maybe today's supreme court has taken it a little to far.

    At any rate... I would probably not discriminate based on someone's politics... I get along fine with the "Psycho Seattle Liberals" that I work with everyday... we have fun poking at each other's politics. But I would support the right of someone to choose who works for them.

    Goodness knows I get flamed all up and down this joint for espousing conservative views... but that's what I get for having a big mouth. =)

    We need to get good Civics classes back into our schools... I feel like I have to explain the entire US Constitution in every political discussion I have ever. Even if there are dissagreements... it's good to have some sort of knowledge of history and how our government was founded.

    =)

    ~foooo

  8. Stop buying your politicians. by Spudley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for a healthy democracy, it's probably better to have this in the open.

    For a really healthy democracy, you'd need to get rid of political donations completely.

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    1. Re:Stop buying your politicians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This seems to be the big problem (as I see it) with the US political system. You have big corporations over there, whose only concern is the almighty dollar, and they won't hesitate to bankroll politicians. In the US at least, this seems a good reason to keep such donations public domain. In Australia, corporations aren't quite as aggressive and I think there are more safeguards to prevent them from having vested interests other than thant of their electorate. Im not saying that Australia should not have a similar openness (im not sure, but i think such donations would be private), but it is a worry when the wealthy majority can control the Government of the people amjority.