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ICANN Meets Annan

CypherOz writes "The Australian reports a meeting between ICANN chief Twomey and Kofi Annan and the role the UN may play in the naming game. " We've talked about this before as well.

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  1. Like the UN would be any faster... by Maestro4k · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • Other critics say ICANN is too slow in making decisions and adopting new technology, like ways to transmit Chinese and Arabic characters. VeriSign has sued the organisation, saying it is standing in the way of lucrative new services.
    I wonder if these same critics have paid any attention to just how quickly the UN moves on things. Yes it's an international body, but it also brings even more petty arguments to the table because of that. While ICANN's far from perfect, I doubt things would be any faster with the UN taking over, slower maybe, but not faster.
    1. Re:Like the UN would be any faster... by sjb21043 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, it's not ICANN that decides which countries get domains. They already abdicated. Their policy is "if ISO says it's a country, that's good enough for us."

    2. Re:Like the UN would be any faster... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mod parent up. No Arab country recognizes Israel, and when Israel's representative speaks, the Syrian representative usually starts shouting in protest of the UN's recognition of the "Zionist entity". Another example of why international politics shouldn't be involved in the running of the Internet: During the Vietnam War, it took a few *years* for peace talks to begin because of stalled negotiations about the shape of the table the delegates would sit at.

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  2. If by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just hope that if the UN gets involved, they come in against Verisign and any other large businesses who wish to screw with things. I'm not all for the UN controlling things, mind you. But if they do have some say, I hope its on the side of reason and open standards and fair, reasonable practices.

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    1. Re:If by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The doesn't have any real power for a couple reasons. First, since it's a conglomerate "government" it relies completely on the power of its constituents. And rarely has it wanted to do anything that its powerful constituents didn't want to do already (do to veto power and a few weighty members). So when some powerful countries who would already be taking an action go through the UN, they just do what they originally set out to do with UN uniforms on.

      Secondly, the UN doesn't have any real power because, while everyone is willing to participate, no one is willing to really give up power of their nation to another ruling body. I doubt that will ever happen peacefully.

      I would like to see more discussion from the UN about what might help developing countries, or what might foster more online growth - and then see that input taken into account by internet regulators. But I think that's about the best the UN could do to help.

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  3. This is what is wrong with this idea. by Guysdrinkingbeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article
    "... whether the internet should be governed and, if so, how."
    With all the problems that go on in the UN why are they a better choice then the US. The article has some valid points, but the current system is pretty fair.

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    1. Re:This is what is wrong with this idea. by gartogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the better point is about the "whether", not the how. The system is unfair as long as the control is centralized. Distribute the system, and DISBAND ICANN. It's a useless body, and once governments, or even corporations take control of their online feifdoms, like they do here in meatspace. (Let people buy and sell top level domains, why not... get all possible one out there and let the market take over...)

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    2. Re:This is what is wrong with this idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      English.
      It's not my native language, yet DNS can't handle anything else. At least my language uses the latin alphabet, it must really suck to be Greek or Russian and having to learn another alphabet just to go to a simple website...

  4. Why bother using the UN? by gartogg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The question that I would have about the regulatory system in place is that if the government were to attempt to "force the disruption of internet traffic to entire countries by deleting them from central computers," would the commercial hosters and systems continue to accept dns information that would be bad for their customers? It seems that the internet is commercial enough that in leiu of government oversight, it might be better to allow a evolved commercial alliance govern the systems.

    It is a bit silly to allow a small thing like DNS to create such a problem in the first place. When we go to IPv6, it might make more sense to use URL forwarding to IP's, and bypass most of the regulatory system in the first place... Allow other countries to maintain permanent fixed DNS servers for their own IP ranges, and have the assignations know, so that all other central controls are unneeded. If the US wants to control .com, .net, .gov, .org, let them. Sell off all remaining 2 and 3 letter combination top level domains using whatever system you want, and then dissolve ICANN. It just makes sense,if the internet is supposed to belong to the users.

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  5. Competing DNS system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If the UN is the great end-all be-all that most of the slashdotters seem to think it is; then why don't they just offer up their own competing DNS system. If they truly can provide the best service, then everyone would naturally want to use them instead of the current system.

    It's a matter of, (gasp!) choice.

  6. NGO? by utlemming · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The only way that it would work would be for a NGO to be formed. But honestly, I think that most Americans and Europeans would be more comfortable if the ICANN powers were turned over to NATO than to the UN. We're talking politics, and even though most of us /.ers are ideologs, we still need to recogonize the importance of politics. The US is not going to let the internet out of our hands. Not with out protecting the interests of the US. Most likely the future of the internet is going to be decided not by the UN, but by a consortuim of internet nations in treaty negotiations. Whether or not the UN takes over the internet will not solve the issues surrounding the internet. All the issues, such as a spam, porn, fraud, et al., will have to be resolved via treaties anyway. You might as well form a treaty organization that is devoted solely to the internet with teeth.

    The next question: how many people actually understand the term legitimacy? (In the poli sci realm it is defined as the "Legitimation refers to the process by which power is not only institutionalized but more importantly is given moral grounding. Legitimacy (or authority) is what is accorded to such a stable distribution of power when it is considered valid." (From Oxfords Reference Online). The fact is just because the US citizenry may not consider the UN legitimate and the rest of the world considers it legit, does not mean that it is any more legit for the United States. To claim that the UN is legit because the rest of the world claims it is, would be like arguing that Isreal's rule of Palestine is legit just because most of Ireal says it is. The point is that legitimacy changes from demographic to demographic. What one nation may consider legit does not lend itself to force a legitimacy stand on another. And just because the US considers ICANN a legit insitution does not may it any more legit in the world.

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  7. Re:Cite Your Sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A few news stories are here.

    The UN is also culpable in the deaths of the 18 US soldiers killed in Somalia:

    (The story orginally ran in Debkafile, an Israeli based news service. Make up you own mind about their credibility. 60 Minutes previewed them a year ago and didn't say they were bad.)

  8. Re:Cite Your Sources by bkrog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And William Safire's column today in the New York Times, entitled "Follow-Up to Kofigate', whose first line is: "Never has there been a financial rip-off of the magnitude of the U.N. oil-for-food scandal."

  9. Re:Grumble by pershino · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Does this mean that some day we will pay to subscribe to certain "quality" DNS services?

    If you register a domain name under a TLD under the ICAAN scheme (com,net.org,name,biz,etc), then you are aleady paying for a "quality" DNS service. The truth is that ICAAN run a cartel for companies like verisign to make money in an artificial economy. If ICAAN was truely about providing a service to all Internet users, rather than a few greedy corporations, then it would include alternative TLDs, such as those operated independently through opennic. But of course those alternatives won't pay the ICAAN extortion fees.

  10. Horrible by zushiba · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The UN has no business with the Internet they just want to control everything. Their biggest backers are the CFR who already control every bit of major media in America. If you look at the list of CFR members you will see them holding very powerful positions in every broadcast station, magazine and newspaper. Now if they control the internet than we have no recourse but to listen to their propaganda. The UN makes its actions clear that it is indeed trying to establish a world government it's written up in their own documentation. Just recently the UN asked countries to make their armies available for action with the only authority being the UN. They want the governments that own these armies to basically "sign them over" to the UN. The only reason this stuff happens is because we as a people roll over for every thing the government does. Back in the 60's they would have been picketing every day of the last 4 years.