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GNOME 2.6 Reviewed

Kethinov writes "I just read this article reviewing GNOME 2.6 via the 2.5 development version. Many screenshots, plus extensive discussion on the new direction Nautilus is taking among other things. Worth a read. (A mirror would be nice ;)" Sorry - I duped this. Mea culpa.

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  1. Menus and DDLs are nice - a bit like OSX by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But that "default desktop" screenshot is pig-ugly. Grey isn't going to pull in the XP-using Teletubby-land loving hordes. I think they should have a nice default background image, and if you want to get rid of it, you can. It can't be hard to improve on "Bliss", anyway.

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  2. GNOME catching up to Windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GNOME has a netstatus applet now, which lets you know about the status of your network interface. It is similar to the Windows XP network status applet (which spews forth those irritating balloon like message boxes from the taskbar every now and then).

    Like when your connection goes down? Wouldn't you like to know when that happens? I rather would. And, not to troll, but Windows has had that since NT 4.

    What is with some developers and their attitude towards little Windows-like widgets? Some of those things are actually useful. And if you ever want GNOME to approach the functionality of, say, Windows XP (and I do say functionality; the XP interface simply does a hell of a lot more) you need to focus on both "polish and more polish" and the inclusion of useful little applets.

    1. Re:GNOME catching up to Windows... by Mia'cova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They can be very annoying on wireless connections under non-ideal conditions, especially when it's popping on and off when you don't even care.

      These balloon tips will be removed in longhorn I believe. So we won't have to deal with them for too many more years. Registry tweaks can also disable specific balloons (eg low disk space on drive d) as well.

      Overall, I like the balloon tips but I think longhorn's sidebar will really step things up another notch.

  3. Save Dialogue by Czernobog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: Have only seen the screenshots, not used.

    Does that "save" dialogue make sense to anyone?
    I'd have thought that saving would be the easiest thing in the workd and yet it's not obvious where the file is being saved at.

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    1. Re:Save Dialogue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not really...

      The new "spacial" nautilus hides file pathes from the user (which might be a good thing or not) and that's hailed as a useability improvement (see the spacial link in the article). On the other hand the new file dialog seems to be centered around a new file path widget. Does somebody understand that?

  4. Spatial Not worth it by leonscape · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember on the Amiga, and Macs having spatial, and this is a very bad move from GNOME.

    Its a mistake, Every one used Directory Opus to deal with files on the Amiga for a very good reason. Spatial handling is messy, and a pain in the arse.

    There not just redoing things, there now repeating other peoples mistakes. ArsTechnica is quite good normally but spatial file handling was never any good.

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    1. Re:Spatial Not worth it by petabyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been running Gnome 2.6 (It's almost all in Gentoo now but masked) for roughly a week and I'd have to agree with you. I'm not a big user of Nautilus anyway but why I would want a Mac OS-9esq filesystem browser is beyond me. Fortunatly, there is an option you can bring up in gconf-editior under the nautilus tab and that will convert it back to the explorer style interface. In that same folder is the option to turn of the "we didn't have enough useless icons on the desktop so lets add one more" My Computer.

      That said, my experience with 2.6 hasn't been all bad. Once you turn those options off, nautilus behaves much as it does in Gnome 2.4. And Gtk2.4 makes a noticable difference with the 2.6 panel. It looks clearer than 2.4 did. As for that fileselector - I still haven't figured out how I'm supposed to be able to type the full path name in so I can open the directory or file I want. That is a MAJOR obstruction.

      I've been a Gnome user since before 1.4 and they've made considerable progress. This new version, however, has left me with serious doubts about their future.

  5. In case developers didn't get the clue: by no+longer+myself · · Score: 0, Interesting
    You know, I understand that Gnome has really come a long way, but there's a sadly superficial reason that many of us took to KDE. So cue up the clue machine!

    Lose the smelly foot! I mean really... Why do they insist on using that as their logo? You could pick random objects out of a dictionary and come up with a uniquely unoffensive mascot to which people will endear themselves.

    I know it sounds petty, and someone is bound to cry, "flamebait", but it's the truth! At least Red Hat (now Fedora) had the decency to put a hat on it, but most distros come with that distinctively vulger set of four little piggies.

    Other than that, there's only one very minor reason I don't switch to Gnome, and I'll admit it's probably nothing, and if I bothered to look it up, I'd probably stumble over the solution... I've been using KMail since it automagically ported everything so nicely away from MS-Outlook Express (my archives go back to '95), and I just don't want to go through the hassle of porting it all again.

    But seriously. I like the GTK philosophy a lot, but feet are just gross (I know I'm not the only one who thinks that either), and I'm just not getting over that logo.

    I know... I know... "We gotta keep the logo to stick with our priciples... It's more like you need to change your attitude... Let's hear it for feet... I think the foot is sexy..."

    Of course the most obvious is, "This is Linux. You can change to logo to whatever you want, man... It's open source! Why don't you just write your own GUI and come out with your own logo?"

    The Gnome people did a very nice job, and the overall appearance looks great from what I can tell. But for now, I'm still going to keep KDE.

  6. Re:Novell has chosen to standardize on Qt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    If it was announced by Chris Stone, and people heard him mind you, then it seems as if it will be Qt. Apparently, there will be a flamefest, I mean meeting, at Novell in May to decide. It seems as though it will be Qt though.

    Suse seems to have insisted on Qt, and since they are the Enterprise Linux Division of Novell, and have 50 million dollars of investment because of that from IBM, I'd be swaying in this direction.

    I'd be inclined to believe the Qt arguments simply because the Ximian people have come out with stuff like this: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/11/24/46NNdesk top_1.html in the past.

    This was before the ink was even dry on the Novell/Suse deal, and Nat Friedman was talking about the future of Suse products probably without them knowing. Ximian Desktop in Suse 9, or 9.1? Nope, must have missed that one Nat. Nice way to make friends with the Suse people!

    Given Novell's talk of embedded systems, it probably will be Qt, but we are speculating here. It probably won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone anyway.

  7. Is Nautilus still a buggy bloated POS? by Jagasian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am writing this from my Fedora Gnome desktop, which I use on a regular basis. Therefore I am very knowledgable on the bugginess of Nautilus. It is slow, buggy, and lacking in features. If something big doesn't happen by the next Fedora release, I will be switching to KDE 3.2... as I recently demo'ed it on a Mandrake install. Konqueror is fast, featureful, and seemed to have far fewer bugs than Nautilus.

    The only problem is that I am really used to Gnome's look-n-feel, but I guess since I am using Fedora, that won't be as much of an issue due to the whole Bluecurve thing.

  8. Ugh. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So how's performance? Or does it just not matter these days?

    Look. Unlike Windows, this stuff is going to be going on to multi-user systems. There will be tens, hundreds of instances of each of the applications running on a particular machine... Over the network... Performance for X based applications is *absolutely crucial* in the corporate environment. That *is* where Gnome is going, isn't it?

    Gnome 2.0 (Solaris packages) performs poorly in comparison to other X based UIs like CDE and Openstep. Both in local and network performance. So, does 2.6 suck or is it acceptable, is it even better?

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  9. Spatial is a step backwards by futuresheep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a few other posters have said. This is a bad idea. It's been tried several times, each time there has been a replacement file manager developed that used a navigational structure. I had at one point 8 windows open to edit one file with the new nautilus. I thought it was rather interesting that the desktop group that espoused a 'cleaner' interface gave me a cluttered desktop.

    As my grandpappy used to say - Don't kill the cow because the milk is bad.

  10. Look beyond the suburbs of GNOME and KDE by lysium · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What is with some developers and their attitude towards little Windows-like widgets? Some of those things are actually useful. And if you ever want GNOME to approach the functionality of, say, Windows XP...SNIP



    GNOME and KDE are not the only desktops for Linux, despite what many seem to think. WindowMaker (with cousins like fluxbox) are much older and support tiny programs called dockapps that do anything you could want them to. The variety, configurability and stability of this tiny applets beats Windows, easily.



    Remember GNOME is not Linux, nor is it XF86. It is a high-level desktop environment -- which is another way of saying that it is window-dressing. Explore the other desktop options (and I do not mean KDE!) for Linux and you will be pleasantly surprised.

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  11. Have they fixed the panel in 2.6? by Cthefuture · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm considering upgrading to GNOME 2.6 but really the only reason would be because I want the damn panels to stop rearranging the icons/launchers/applets.

    It seems like every other time I login all my icons, launchers, and applets have been magically rearranged on the panel. Man that pisses me off to no end.

    The worst problem is when your system locks up or otherwise crashes and you're using ReiserFS. Oh man, I feel so lucky when my entire desktop and all the panels don't get trashed. I can't count how many times I've lost my entire GNOME setup due to my system locking up. Something about the GNOME preferences system, it must hold lots of files open all the time or something. This is one problem I can not tolerate and for a while I switched to KDE solely because of this insanely stupid behaviour.

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