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PanIP Drops E-commerce Patent Lawsuits

Darlok writes "Back in October 2002, PanIP sued 50 small businesses, claiming patents over basic E-commerce functions. One of the defendents set up a group defense fund, and in the last week, contributors to that fund have been notified by e-mail and this notice on the fund's homepage that PanIP has agreed to drop its lawsuits without any licenses being issued. The U.S. Patent Office is currently reviewing the patents in question. Hopefully this will set some sort of precedent ..."

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  1. Precedents by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hopefully this will set some sort of precedent...
    Since I have a PhD in /. patent law, I'll take this one: It might set "some sort" of precedent, but since PanIP dropped the case, it probably won't be a legal precedent. D'oh!

    As an aside, I like the choice of "www.youmaybenext.com" for the fund's homepage. I wonder what the next ridiculous patent lawsuit will be for? I smell a new poll.
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    1. Re:Precedents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A PhD in /. law? How was /. law school? :)

      Seriously though, it does set a very important precedent--namely, that other companies sitting in PanIP's sights can and ought to fight back, because
      PanIP doesn't appear eager to see itself in court.

      Know thy enemy, and all that...

  2. Win the battle, retreat from the war? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The PanIP Group Defense Fund is saying that it's going to dissolve because the all lawsuits against group members are being discontinued, in exchange for the group willing to give up the already on the books order that PanIP pay PGDF's legal fees. Uhm...

    To me, this is not a result the outside world should be cheering. It's a settlement that protects the asse(t)s of the group members, but it's not a knockout blow to PanIP. PanIP is giving up nothing but the right to pursue an appeal that they weren't likely to lose and create an even stronger precedent. The PGDF is giving up the chance to extract real money from PanIP.

    Boo! Hiss! Bad move!

    The PGDF shuuld not be folding. Just because their orginal case has been settled does not mean they have become pointless. They should be seeing through that the patents be invalidated, and keeping the group in existance so that anybody sued by PanIP in the future could get quick and easy access to the resources that worked before.

    As their website domain has always said, you could be next to be sued by PanIP if you're doing basic e-commerce on the Web. And nothing in this settlement prevents that happening. PanIP's plan may be to just let this group fade away, and then sue another group of defendants hoping that they don't join together into a large enough group to squash them like a bug again. It's a little too early to be putting the fly swatter away.

  3. Probably not... by Quarters · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hopefully this will set some sort of precedent ...

    Well, it doesn't set any sort of legal precedent and since businesses are, except in the extremely rare case, demonstrably amoral I wouldn't expect any sort of karmic-rub off on other companies, either.

    Businesses are beholden to their shareholders. If shareholder valuation can be increased via protection of patents then the company has a fiduciary duty to pursue that course of action. To not do so would be neglicent and could open the company up to a shareholder lawsuit.

  4. Re:Great News! by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, PanIP isn't going away. They've only promised not to sue the 15 defendants who all ganged up to fight back. Everybody else is still at risk...

  5. Nothing new here, move along . . . by werdna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully this will set some sort of precedent ...

    What kind of precedent? Patent defense consortia have been routine practices in defending against agressive plaintiffs seeking to take fundamental control of key industry elements. When this was first raised, I pointed out the various routes to shut down an overactive plaintiff: reexamination regarding prior art, joint defense agreements and joining forces to share costs of a legal defense. All of those happened and it worked.

    This isn't new, it's routine.

  6. And who wins again? by modder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The lawyers.

    1. Re:And who wins again? by modder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed.

      However, one has to start thinking that something is fundamentally wrong when so much time, effort and money go in to something which produces absolutely nothing.

      (I'm not going to focus on who's to blame, the lawyers who do the work, the CEOs who want it done... etc)

      If you follow the thread of a somewhat less eloquent poster who replied to this, I suggest there may be other alternatives (those I state none specifically) but I think we need to start looking at things in our legal system and change a lot of how we currently do things. (granted this may take another hundred or thousand years or more, if we're able to survive that long.)

      I'm just saying there is a problem. I don't have the answers, but we need to acknowledge this as a first step anyway.

  7. Precedence by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hopefully this will set some sort of precedent ..."


    Yeah. It sets the precedent that small businesses should work together to establish a "technology, business process and other silly patents defense fund" to deter such behavior in the future.

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