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NASA Gravity Probe Set for Launch

The Real Dr John writes "NASA announced yesterday that its longest running program, Gravity Probe B, was ready and scheduled for launch on April 17th. The project has taken 44 years to complete, at a cost of approximately $700 million. The reason for the high cost is that the probe contains the most sensitive gyroscopic equipment ever created, which will be used to test Einstein's theory of gravity. Einstein predicted that the gravity created by a large body warped space-time, but he also predicted that if the large body was rotating it would create a drag effect on space-time known as frame dragging. Gravity Probe B will be able to test Einstein's theory using Earth's relatively small gravitational field because the instruments are so sensitive."

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  1. Re:Gravity dragging? by pholower · · Score: 5, Informative

    The earth is a mass-energy. According to General Relativity, as a mass-energy, it should create a little dimple in the local space-time fabric. It is also theorized that the daily rotation of the earth causes a twisting of the local space-time fabric. This effect is known as frame dragging and it should manifest itself as a force that pushes a gyroscope's axis out of alignment as it orbits the Earth. [GP-B will be using four small, incredibly precise gyroscopes as its main tool for detection of relativistic effects on the local space-time fabric.] Gravity Probe B will attempt to measure the force, gravitomagnetism, giving scientists an important insight into how it might affect objects that are much larger than ping pong balls, such as black holes. At the same time, the gyroscopes will experience a much bigger force - the geodetic effect - which is a result of the warping of space-time predicted by Einstein. This force will tend to push their axes in a direction perpendicular to the frame-dragging effect which allow it to be measured separately. The geodetic effect is hundreds of times bigger than frame dragging and the experiment should measure its size with an accuracy of 0.01 per cent the most severe test of general relativity ever undertaken.

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  2. Re:Gravity Probe A by whopis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gravity Probe A was the launch of an atomic clock on a suborbital rocket, designed to measure time dilation as it passed into weaker areas of gravity.

    I believe it was done in 1976

  3. 45 years prep time... woo by igrp · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to this BBC article, the mission completion is supposed to be in 16 months.

    I found the following quote especially interesting:

    Francis Everitt, the principal investigator of the project, said: "Aren't Einstein's theories all established and confirmed? After all it was 50 years ago that Einstein himself died and it's 100 years next year when he developed his first theory of relativity. Don't we already know it all? The answer is no."

    I wonder what other theories that are generally accepted throughout the scientific community have not been completely tested and/or verified. And, quite frankly, I'm surprised that there isn't much more VC and grant money available to go and do research on stuff like this. Afterall, these projects are quite prestigious.

    1. Re:45 years prep time... woo by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wonder what other theories that are generally accepted throughout the scientific community have not been completely tested and/or verified.

      All of them.

      It is not possible to completely test and verify anything. That's the nature of reality. A theory is defined as an explanation that has been thorougly tested and is widely accepted by people knowledgable in that field, but it's an essential part of science that nothing is ever proved beyond all doubt; there is always room for change if additional data comes to light, or a better explanation for existing data is devised.

      One of my pet peeves is the common misuse of "theory" to mean "hypothesis" -- an untested conjecture. This popular misconception then leads to scientific knowledge being dismissed as "it's only a theory" by people who don't understand what a theory actually is, and assume that the Theory of (fill in the blank) is a mere hypothesis.

  4. Lense-Thirring effect by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 5, Informative
    Contrary to the story, the Lense-Thirring effect wasn't predicted by Einstein, it was predicted by...Lense and Thirring.

    See article

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  5. Re:considering string theories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    will [GPB] allow and or test for [braneworld] theory or is the device antiquated before deployment?


    No, it won't serve as a test of string theory braneworld scenarios, and no, that doesn't make it "antiquated", either. There are lots of reasons to do the experiment, other than its ability to verify somebody's speculative pet theory. (Heck, string theory doesn't even predict that our universe is confined to a brane; it's just a possibility within string theory.)

    The point of GPB is merely to test the accuracy of general relativity's predictions. If GR is wrong, there are many ways it could be wrong, and thus GPB might be able to tell us which way is correct, or rule out alternative theories that predict effects that aren't measured.
  6. Re:Too sensitive by QuantumET · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having worked on GP-B for a bit...

    Just about all of the engineering that's gone into the project is to eliminate interference from everything else; those gyros are going to be just about the best-isolated objects we've ever made.

    Yes, they need to account for solar wind, as well as atmospheric drag, as small as it is at that height. This is done by flying the satellite drag-free; one of the gyros free-floats inside its housing, and if it starts to drift off-center, the satellite fires its thrusters to reposition _the satellite_ so that the free-floating gyro is again in the center of its cavity.

    This way, any external force on the satellite can be removed, since the gyro is shielded from them by the bulk of the satellite, and the satellite then follows the gyro on a perfect gravitational orbit.

    Magnetic fields are filtered out to some ungodly factor; the leftover fields inside the science probe are on the of 10^-17 gauss.

    They also account for micrometeorites, electric noise, and many other error sources. There's a reason this has taken 40 years.

  7. Re:Too sensitive by QuantumET · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, I'm not a physicist; I just played around on the hardware.

    But it looks like to me that LATOR is a very-high precision test of what's already been tested several times: the exact amount of curvature of spacetime that heavy objects create.

    GP-B tests the effects of frame dragging, which is a completely separate effect.

    As to SUMO, I wouldn't be able to say what kind of effect a Lorentz-transform symmetry breaking would cause, and whether GP-B's results could be affected by that. But the tests seem to be fundamentally about clock rates at various moving frames, which is more of a special relativity test (as the Loretz transform comes from special relativity). GP-B is about general relativity, and specifically about spin, which seems to be relatively untested ground.

  8. Re:Too sensitive by QuantumET · · Score: 4, Informative

    Polar orbit, with satellite roll axis fixed on a guide star for a good reference frame. I think it's about as circular as they can make it.

    And yeah, it's superfluid helium, enough for about 18 months given the boil-off rate (it boils off continually to maintain dewar temperature; the boiled-off gas is actually used in the precision manouvering thrusters)

    And the suspension system is a rather scary system... it has to ramp from barely touching the gyros to making sure they don't impact the cavity walls when a micrometeorite hits almost instantaneously. And there's only about a millimeter of clearance there. And the gyros spin at 10,000 rpm. You don't want them touching the walls.

  9. Re:Gravity dragging? by dragons_flight · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oops.

    You are right. The gravito-magnetic force acts perpendicularly not tangentially.

  10. Karma fishing... by malakai · · Score: 4, Informative

    This guys post is taken from another discussion and another Slashdot user. Verbatim.

    He's a troll relegated to 0 karma land, and desperate for anyway out.
    See UID's comment on his post: here

    Don't let this guy walk off with 5 mod points for such a stupid trick.