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Intel Potentially Reverse-Engineered AMD64

icypyr0 writes "Tom Halfhill, an analyst for In-Stat/MDR claims that due to similiarities in the instruction sets of AMD64 chips and the new 64-bit extensions for Intel Xeons, it is clear that Intel reverse-engineered the AMD64. However, due to the fact that the new Xeon is not an exact copy of the AMD64's microarchitecture, Intel has not broken the law. This very tactic has actually been used by firms such as AMD in the past to catch up to Intel."

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  1. AMD will have the last laugh here by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    AMD will have the last laugh here. Turns out they embedded a Pink Floyd album in the code of AMD64 (a fair-use copy, as AMD had previously purchased the album). When Intel copied the code and put it in their chip, it was all AMD needed for a little call to the RIAA to pay a visit to Intel's house....

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    1. Re:AMD will have the last laugh here by niko9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      /song/...and when you running Windows 64, I'll see you on the dark side of the CPU.../song/

    2. Re:AMD will have the last laugh here by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

      /song/
      "We don't need no "Media Player"
      "We don't need no content control"
      "No dark embracing, or extension"
      "Hey Redmond! Leave script kids alone!"
      "All in all, we're all just borg in the cube"

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    3. Re:AMD will have the last laugh here by Joe+Enduser · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it was Bohemian Rapsody, by Queen, and not quite the same without the no-execution bit.

    4. Re:AMD will have the last laugh here by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny


      I think it needs more cowbell.

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    5. Re:AMD will have the last laugh here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      So, after having Several Species of Small Fury Animals Gathered in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict up their ass and generally having a Brain Damage, Intel is Comfortably Numb and Sorrowful watching AMD pulled ahead in the 64bit chip market. Not wanting to say Goodbye Cruel World, Intel will not Stop spending Time and Money to copy AMD64 instruction set so that One of These Days they can produce a chip to compete with AMD, basically either Intel becomes a Sheep or AMD got Intel On the Run. However, Fearless AMD is not afraid of Intel's showing Signs of Life and Coming Back to Life because they have High Hopes for A Great Day for Freedom to out-innovate Intel and Run Like Hell ahead of Intel. The only problem facing Intel will be packing enough transistors in Empty Spaces without Terminal Frost when implemented to A New Machine (Part 1) during The Trial and error since basically that means Waiting For the Worms for Intel. For us consumers, renewed competition, Echoes of the past, means The Happiest Days of Our Lives.

  2. It's JUST MORE FUN!! by Wolfier · · Score: 5, Funny

    Intel employee A: Here's the spec AMD gives us. Use it.

    Intel employee B: Yee Hah!! I've almost figured out how they do this last opcode!

    Intel employee A: Yeah, it's on page 183 of this. Read it.

    Intel employee B: Leave me alone!! Specifications are for weenies! I'll reverse engineer it. You can keep the specs, thanks.

  3. Re:So? by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think we're supposed to be amazed that a big company did something that isn't illegal. Not sure though, that's the best I could get out of it.

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  4. Instruction sets want to be free! by Limburgher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next week: GNU/Assembler. . .

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  5. They had to Reverse-Engineer it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does that mean that what each AMD64 machine instruction does is not fully specified? How are we supposed to program for the AMD64 then, by using only the machine instructions that are clearly explained? Intel just missed an opportunity to invent a new behavior for the badly-explained instructions, publish a "complete instruction set handbook" for the AMD64, which people will use because AMD's handbook is unclear/incomplete, and have everyone wonder why their "AMD64" code only works on Intel.

  6. Re:So... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    You must be new here.

    You must not know how to read slashdot ID #'s.

  7. In related news.... by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hollywood actor Ben Affleck has been witnessed cashing a multi million dollar paycheck around the time of the chip's release. Film at 11.

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  8. Re:AMD and Intel have a cross-licencing agreement. by scrytch · · Score: 4, Funny

    > In Slashdot Utopia we could mark this article as "-1, Yellow Journalism".

    Has anyone submitted a patch to slash for story moderation? At least then the editors can't claim the code isn't there...

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  9. if only by Cynikal · · Score: 5, Funny

    if only AMD had been able to sneak in a few cyrix chips as their new easier-to-reverse-engineer edition 64bit chips....

  10. Reverse Engineering in other fields by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Funny
    While exactly copying a processor's microarchitecture would be illegal, creating a compatible product through the use of an original "clean room" design is legally protected.

    Gee, can I do this with music, and then the RIAA can't touch me?

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  11. Re:AMD and Intel have a cross-licencing agreement. by goodster · · Score: 4, Funny

    "OpenBSD developers was not very happy with the Intel decision..." Both of them? :)

  12. Re:So... by 1000StonedMonkeys · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone knows how slashdot ID #'s work.

    In a now famous episode of short sightedness, CmdrTaco said, "Slashdot will never need more than 640K IDs," and determined that slashdot IDs would count down from 640K and stop when they hit 0.

    Your ID of 15628 indicates both that you are new here, and that the end is near.

  13. Way to shit on yourself super-d00d. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The whole thing is very interesting. The first thing to note is that Intel has been doing this since the very start. The proof? According to a document that made all the tech sites a few weeks ago (don't want to dig it up) if you remove the stuff Intel added to the IA-32e over AMD-64 (you know, SSE3 and such) the architectures are IDENTICLE except for two instructions. Those two instructions happen to be the exact same two that were not in the first draft of the AMD-64 a


    You go ahead and misspell identical, AND then go on to bold it.

    It's like a big pile of shit in the middle of a birthday cake with a candle stuck in it.

  14. Re:So... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whatever you say, newbie.

    I've been waiting for that....:-)

  15. Re:AMD and Intel have a cross-licencing agreement. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Funny
    The workers have nothing to lose but their chains.

    Dammit! I told you not to let the workers have any chains!

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