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USTR Critical Of Japanese TD-CDMA Licensing

News for nerds writes "Yahoo Asia reports that the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) said in its annual report that the Japanese government has so far refused to issue experimental licenses to certain U.S. companies to test the new TD-CDMA technology. It attacks China and S. Korea along the line. The funny thing is, according to Impress Internet Watch, the Japanese government states that no U.S. companies had actually applied for the license so far. ITmedia also reports the Japanese government didn't deny foreign application, while criticizing the government for too narrow bandwidth of TD-CDMA that can be monopolized easily. Is this the precursor of another wave of pressure onto technology from Japan?"

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  1. That's it! by Walker2323 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it - this means war!

    1. Re:That's it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      But we have always been at war with Eastasia!

  2. new TD-CDMA by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of these cellphone acronyms go in one ear and out the other, but I thought the "new" thing was GSM. Weren't TDMA and CDMA on their way out?

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    1. Re:new TD-CDMA by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative
      GSM is rather old. TDMA is going away in the USA. CDMA is going to be around for a while. Most of the new standards are based on new and updated versions of CDMA.

      The standard mentioned in the article is a mix of TDMA and CDMA. It uses CDMA in a half-duplex fashion, with transmission lengths limited to predefined time slots.

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    2. Re:new TD-CDMA by alphakappa · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, CDMA is not on it's way out. CDMA is actually far superior to GSM (IMHO). Actually the commercial implementation of CDMA happened after GSM (CDMA was used by the US military before) which is probaby why most of Asia adopted GSM since that was the cutting-edge technology of that time. Now, both GSM and CDMA (IS-95) are 2G (second generation) technologies. Guess what's 3G? WCDMA (wideband-CDMA) and CDMA-2000. So CDMA is definitely not on its way out.

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    3. Re:new TD-CDMA by d99-sbr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GSM is not a technology in itself, it is a brand name for a certain TDMA design.

      GSM is old. I believe the standard was set in something like 1982. The first networks started appearing around 1990.

      All new systems that I know of use variations on CDMA.

    4. Re:new TD-CDMA by infiniti99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are correct. However, it should be said that CMDA vs GSM is an apples and oranges comparison. CDMA is a radio protocol. GSM is a full mobile phone standard of which a radio protocol is just one component. GSM is based on TDMA radio technology, which is outdated by now. The positive point of GSM is that it defines the featureset, including voice (with all the trimmings), data/fax, and sms, as well as concepts like the SIM chip (keeps identity and phone separated), and even the audio codec! This ambitious featureset and level of compatibility is what allowed GSM to dominate most of the world. Of course, like most standards, GSM hasn't really changed in the last 10 years (although lately there have been some add-ons, like GPRS).

      Even so, GSM has withstood the test of time. Some companies in the USA tried to build their own competing systems (using the same radio protocol, TDMA), but they paled in comparison to GSM. Even many CDMA implementations (ie, Sprint, Verizon) have lagged seriously behind GSM's featureset, despite being based on a better radio protocol. Today, CDMA implementations have surpassed GSM capabilities in many areas (wireless data throughput comes to mind), but until I see Verizon using SIM chips, it is safe to say that GSM isn't going anywhere.

      The next generation of mobile technology will simply be improvements to GSM concepts. We'll hopefully continue the trend of network standardization with a solid featureset and a SIM-like identity mechanism, but with an upgraded (CDMA-based) radio protocol.

    5. Re:new TD-CDMA by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative
      Not exactly.

      CDMA is both a mobile phone standard (IS-95) and a technology (Code Division Multiple Access) and if you're comparing "GSM" to "TDMA" to "CDMA" then you're refering to phone standards. CDMA the phone standard is junk, in all honesty, and is being phased out. The direct replacement for it is CDMA2000, which existing US IS-95 operators like Sprint PCS and Verizon are moving to.

      CDMA the technology is rather better and is being used in a number of newer systems. GSM "version 2" is called UMTS, and has a configurable air interface which can be GSM's Time Division Multiple Access, EDGE (a more modern and efficient Time Division MA system), or a variant of Code Division Multiple Access (ie the CDMA the technology, not CDMA the mobile phone standard) called WCDMA, depending on the operator's preferences.

      Only CDMA2000 is based upon CDMA the standard. UMTS is based upon GSM. TD-CDMA is a completely new system and isn't based upon anything. It does use "CDMA the technology", but it certainly isn't related in any way, shape, or form to IS-95.

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    6. Re:new TD-CDMA by Durrik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CDMA is also a complete radio protocol. I have the misfortune of developing the link layer and control layer for it. This is the software that handles making calls and getting the CDMA phone on the network.

      The CDMA radio interface or physical layer is better then the TDMA layer that GSM uses. From some courses I took, it worked out that CDMA allows for about 5 times the capitity on the same bandwidth that GSM/TDMA allows, that's the practical limitation.

      But the software layer for link and control layers is a MESS, a true and undisguised mess. Now I haven't seen GSM or W-CDMA's link and control layer, but nothing can be as bad as CDMAs link and control layers. This is because there are ten different protocol revisions from JSTD.0008 to IS-2000 Revision C. I don't know how bad GSM->W-CDMA is, but W-CDMA's physical layer is not backwards compatible with GSM so it doesn't have the problem of backwards compatibility that CDMA requires.

      TD-CDMA is a completely different beast of course. I think is the same as TD-SCDMA that China has come up with, which seems to be a mash of CDMA, W-CDMA, SCDMA, and a few others. But it uses the W-CDMA messaging and control with some modifications.

      Alot of the reasons that people use to claim that GSM is better then CDMA is based on it being an older technology, with 10 more years of development behind it. 10 years gives you smaller/cheeper chips which provides cheeper products. It also allows for ten more years of applications and add-on developments. And of course the APIs between CDMA and GSM are different so you can't port that across easily. And 10 years gives you a lot of market penitration.

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    7. Re:new TD-CDMA by The+Conductor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      GSM is old.

      Everything in radio is old. Spread spectrum was patented in the 40's, FM in the 30's, and the principles of TDMA were worked out by Nyquist and his cohorts in Bell Labs in the 20's. Huffman coded digital data? Introduced (albeit in primitive form) by Samuel Morse. Even the "advanced" modulation formats being proposed these days are pretty much straightforward implementations of coding theories developed by Claude Shannon & his comtemporaries in the 50's

      What's new is cheap silicon to strap radios to everything and everybody under the sun, and microprocessors to make them easy to operate, or even autonomous.

  3. Lawrence Lessig and spectrum regulation by Raindance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok.

    Lawrence Lessig has quite a convincing argument for 'freeing' spectrum- in short (and not giving it the justice it deserves- he says it better in 'The Future of Ideas'), a lack of regulation (both legal and 'structural' regulation- i.e. the internet isn't structurally regulated whereas the phone system is, being centrally regulated) worked absolute wonders for the Internet. If the internet wasn't end-to-end and open, it'd be a shadow of what it is now.

    So, basically, he believes that the spectrum is a medium which could be much like the internet, given protocols and standards that allowed things to connect using it.

    As something somewhat like the internet would be much more useful than something like the phone system in the long run, I think the real news here, rather than there being a US-Japan spectrum spat, is that countries are squabbling over how to miserly regulate the spectrum in the first place.

    RD

    1. Re:Lawrence Lessig and spectrum regulation by Baki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you can compare spectrum to Internet. The main difference being that I can easily "shield" myself from parts of the Internet, i.e. I can choose where to connect to by linking a cable to A and not to B.

      It is not so easy to shield myself from radiowaves and connect to some other network using some other protocol if I want to. If my neighbour uses protocol X to connect to A, he may block me to connect to B using protocol Y; chances are that me trying and failing, will block him too.

      I.e. the less "directed" nature of a large part of the spectrum does require at least some regulation. I don't say that the current policies are OK, however no regulation at all will lead to chaos, not to speak of health risks for strong fields in some frequencies.

      An intermediate and reasonable form of regulation might be to mandate adherence to certain well behaved protocols, but allow anyone as long as they do not violate the protocols to use the (part of the) spectrium freely.

    2. Re:Lawrence Lessig and spectrum regulation by luisdom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, basically, he believes that the spectrum is a medium which could be much like the internet, given protocols and standards that allowed things to connect using it.
      The problem with the spectrum is that if you don't state clearly what and where you transmit, it becomes a chaos of interferences. It has to be regulated to be useful.
      Another example is the US-european models of mobile/cell telephony, where the strong european regulation (mandatory GSM) in fact allowed a stronger market; in that example you also have the limit of the regulation, when european government's greed (or telco's stupidity, who knows) almost killed 3G by auctioning licences or charging enormous tariffs for spectrum access.

    3. Re:Lawrence Lessig and spectrum regulation by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But that's what he just said... set protocol standards.. it is exactly like GSM.

      Rather than have the authorities tell us what we can use each band for, tell us what protocol to use, and let us figure out what to use them for.

      Wider, fatter open spectrum... look what has been done so far in 2.4Ghz ISM. and it's a SHITTY piece of spectrum.

      Open up some real specttrum, set teh access standards, but don't tell us what to use it FOR.. and then we'll get somewhere.

  4. So what? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is America going to be the leader and develop high quality technology that other countries can come begging for, or is it going to sit at Japan's doorstep begging for scraps?

    Japan must feel like how I did in Civ2. I was always so far ahead of the rest of the nations because I focused on developing technology while the rest of the world was more interested in building up their militaries.

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    1. Re:So what? by Hast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's common that countries that lose a war are forbidden by treaties to build and army for a certain time. I would assume this goes for Japan after WW2 as well.

      So it wasn't really that they depended on a US army to protect them but that they were not allowed to have one. After they had been doing this for a few decades and become one of the leading countries in the process I assmume they discovered that it was quite a lot better to have a lot of research and tech instead of a military so why stop doing it?

  5. Have we been here before? by beanfeast · · Score: 5, Informative

    I seem to recall a similar debate over the U.S.'s attempt to push the use of CDMA at the expense of of GSM in Iraq.


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    1. Re:Have we been here before? by Biotech9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I seem to recall a similar debate over the U.S.'s attempt to push the use of CDMA at the expense of of GSM in Iraq.

      Perhaps, but that was then (when we all imagined a groovy peaceful Iraq starting a domino effect of democratisation across the Arab world), And this is now, when I can't see the mobile phone market in Iraq being very relevant for the next few years.

      This is more akin to how the US has berated china over keeping its currency artifically low against the Dollar, while doing the same thing to Europe.

      Or the Way the US has slammed the EU's fine against Microsoft as the 'opening shot of a trade war', While ignoring its own illegal subsidies and tariffs which have been in place for years.

      The saying was, 'war is an extension of politics by other means', Today it has an addition of... " And, Politics is an extension of economics by other means".

    2. Re:Have we been here before? by Xoro · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think in the future GWBush will be remembered as alot of terrible things, one of which will be "the man who made the euro."

      As if Britain didn't have enough reasons to hate him.

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    3. Re:Have we been here before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Actually, US cannot let the dollar to get too weak or the oil exporting countries will switch over to using Euro instead of the US dollar.

      Now that would mean serious problems for the US economy. Serious enough to start a war, in fact.

    4. Re:Have we been here before? by uradu · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Serious enough to start a war, in fact.

      You mean ANOTHER one?!

  6. CDMA is superior by PlatinumInitiate · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of GSM folks champion that standard, and it has done well in becoming "the" standard in Europe, Africa and Asia, but technnologically, CDMA is superior technically - for example, it has higher data transfer capacity and has lower radiation levels. It is a pity that such a huge infrastructure based on GSM exists, but I think that a move towards CDMA can only be a good thing.

    1. Re:CDMA is superior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      it has higher data transfer capacity

      Ok. That might be a good point, but is the capacity significantly (50%+) higher?

      has lower radiation levels.

      Completely irrelevant. Cell phone radiation intensity is already miniscule compared to the ambient radiation we receive from space and our surroundings.

      Furthermore, one can show almost with high school physics that even if the intensities were much higher, the radiation from cell phones CANNOT disrupt biological systems.

      Energy is carried by photons. If the energy of photons in radiation is less than that of a chemical bond in a DNA/protein/molecule then the bonds will not be cleaved no matter how intense the radiation is.

      The energy of photons in cell-phone radiation is way below the energies needed for disrupting chemical bonds in organisms.

      Indirect energy loss channels (conversion into heat) are so inefficient that they can be neglected out of hand. There has never been any proof that cell-phones would increase the temperature in the brain-matter by more than what's observed normally in the body.

    2. Re:CDMA is superior by bronaugh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Completely irrelevant. Cell phone radiation intensity is already miniscule compared to the ambient radiation we receive from space and our surroundings.

      I'm quite sure you're incorrect on this point. For all intents and purposes, you can consider a cell phone to be a point source -- intensity of radiation varies with the inverse of the cube of the distance from the source. Background radiation is almost by definition the same everywhere. You're not going to see anywhere near the equivalent of a 200mW microwave radiation source (CDMA power level) from background radiation in that frequency band. Reference: How Cellular Phone Technologies Compare

      Furthermore, one can show almost with high school physics that even if the intensities were much higher, the radiation from cell phones CANNOT disrupt biological systems.

      (Rest snipped: Summary is that non-ionizing radiation cannot disrupt biological systems except by heating effects). Counter-argument: If it's so safe, then why are there standards bodies which set exposure limits for non-ionizing radiation? Microwaves can, and do, disrupt biological systems at levels well below those which would apparently cause heating effects. This is due to micro-heating of small areas -- interference patterns. In fact, there's enough concern that the WHO wrote a paper on it: Biological Effects of Microwaves and Mobile Telephony.

      Getting back on topic, one interesting conclusion of the paper is that CDMA is considerably safer than GSM -- GSM's maximum transmit power level is about 1 watt, whereas CDMA has a maximum transmit power level of about 200 milliwatts.

      Overall, I don't like that the US is shoving their weight around, but I also don't think CDMA is a technically inferior solution. Possibly the Japanese are suffering from not-invented-here or not-funded-here syndrome on this one. Time will tell.

    3. Re:CDMA is superior by splerdu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ok. That might be a good point, but is the capacity significantly (50%+) higher?

      Not just 50%, but several orders of magnitude higher.

      GSM 56Kbps
      CDMA2000 2Mbps

      how do you think the japanese stream live video on their phones?

      the radiation level is 10x less than AMPS and GSM. while as you say the amount we get is already very small, but this isn't just cutting it in half, it's several orders lower.

    4. Re:CDMA is superior by Sigurd_Fafnersbane · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not just 50%, but several orders of magnitude higher.

      GSM 56Kbps

      CDMA2000 2Mbps

      As others have allready mentioned that is not a meaningfull comparison. With GSM Phase 2+ you have a max data rate of 384 kb/s (EDGE) and with Phase 3 you have 2Mb/s with the UTRAN (W-CDMA) air interface and 384 kb/s with the GERAN (EDGE) air interface.

      Both are likely to be furter developed in future GSM standards releases.

      You have to look at what you can get out of your handsets and datacards today with comparable cost, coverage and conveniance. AFAIK you can get an AT&T GSM (EDGE) datacard with 192 kb/s full duplex data capability. This is available today and I dont think it is that much different with what the CDMA2k camp is boasting. I do think you get the benefits of the AT&T one with global roaming, SIM card and global messaging (SMS, MMS). What is the up-side of the CDMA2k?

    5. Re:CDMA is superior by Sigurd_Fafnersbane · · Score: 5, Informative

      I forgot to complain about the parent posts claim regarding radiation level:

      the radiation level is 10x less than AMPS and GSM. while as you say the amount we get is already very small, but this isn't just cutting it in half, it's several orders lower.

      The main difference is that with CDMA2k you have continuous transmission, with GSM and GSM EDGE you have bursted transmission with a duty cycle of 12.5% for full rate and 6.25% for half-rate voice codecs.

      For 2W peak power you would be down to 250mW or 125mW max power when you consider the duty cycle. What is important is the energy pr. bit, and that is not that different between the two systems.

      Also you are not likely to transmit at full power neither in CDMA2k nor in GSM. The basestation will continuously monitor the signal strength from the mobile and command it to reduce transmitted power until the S/N at the basestation is just sufficient for decoding. This improves the spectrum efficiency by allowing faster frequency re-use and it improves your handsets battery life as well.

      One problem in CDMA is that the basestation needs to transmit the same power level to all handsets, it can not reduce the transmitted power to handsets with good reception. One bozo with aluminium foil over the antenna will force the basestation to increase transmitted power to all handsets. In GSM the basestation would only need to boost power to the one bozo, not to all the other users. This can damage the spectrum efficiency of CDMA based systems in down-link.

    6. Re:CDMA is superior by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not the case. Cingular and T-Mobile have offered to plug holes in each other's networks with a transparent kind of roaming, but they are two entirely seperate networks for the most part. Remember, both have been around for a long time (T-Mobile USA used to be Voicestream which itself is a merger of a whole bunch of GSM operators.)

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    7. Re:CDMA is superior by bronaugh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry but this is bullshit! I don't think mobile phones produce "coherent" microwaves, they're not masers after all.

      I believe what's meant here, from further reading on the web, is that the "coherence" component is the modulation frequency. For instance, most cell phones will transmit in bursts, then shut off for a few milliseconds, then transmit again. The frequency of this (if regular) is very similar in action to ELF radiation, which is proven to cause all sorts of problems. CDMA, as the article says, is not as bad about this because it doesn't have a regular 'beat' to its transmissions.

      WTF is "oscillatory similitude" - does it have anything to do with crytals.

      This is just fancy wording for saying that there is a frequency component of the microwaves emitted by cell phones which is very close in frequency to the frequency of some biological process.

      I don't think I'll bother to dignify your last (stupid) jab by a comment about it, other than to say that it's a stupid jab.

    8. Re:CDMA is superior by bronaugh · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK, basically this is what I've read. I don't go to stupid conspiracy theorist sites to get my info (because they're full of shit) -- I try to gather as much of it as I can from the published literature. And no, I don't quote things if they don't come from a reasonably reputable source.

      As to what kind of problems, etc, read the WHO paper again -- it's fully referenced, so if you're determined you can go and look up the papers referenced. That would answer the "proven by who" and "proven how" questions. It also covers at least one of the proposed mechanisms (microheating).

      The WHO paper covers this, but unfortunately they're rather fuzzy about it. So I'll do my best to clarify where the hell their numbers came from.

      You can have one frequency modulated by another -- a harmonic. The microwaves could be considered to be the base frequency, and the ELF frequency (the transmit beat; described lower down) to be the harmonic. I believe this answers your "frequency component" question. (Please don't argue this; it's a waste of both of our time to argue about known things)

      To answer your "What biological frequencies" question, I'll link you to this ass-ugly page: Brain wave functions. Yes, it's ass ugly; yes, it could hardly be considered authoritative; but, pretty much everything I've read agrees with this. This is all pretty solid stuff; don't bother attacking it.

      Now that we both know what frequency ranges the human brain can operate in, let's look at GSM. GSM has a basic 'flash rate' of 217 flashes per second, an ELF frequency in and of itself, but not one known to be important in the brain or body (hard to argue -- don't bother; well documented). However, these flashes happen in groups of 25 -- which means that you have an effective frequency of 8.34hz -- this is where the WHO paper got this number. This is the 'transmit beat' (my word) referred to above. This is well within the frequency for alpha brain waves. The source of my info on this is unfortunately a vested interest (they sell products to protect your precious grey mush from cell phone microwave radiation): RFSafe on cellular safety. However, what I have used from this article doesn't state anything new; it just gives enough detail to figure out where the WHO people got their numbers.

      I believe that answers your question about "biological processes".

      I'm sorry if you think this is bullshit; it's my firm opinion that it is not. I have seen plenty of research in recent times on the dangers of microwave radiation. However, I also am not attached to this being a real problem; I don't see it as some kind of open-and-shut case of safe or unsafe. I'd love to see some well-referenced counter-opinions -- I'd love to find out that cell phones are a lot safer than I think they are (hey, it'd be convenient).

      In terms of safety, there is no black and white -- things cannot be declared to be "safe" or "unsafe". It's all relative. And my original argument -- that CDMA is -relatively- more safe than GSM -- is rather hard to disprove. No body of literature indicates it's healthier to receives more microwaves with your brain.

  7. IT'S A COMMIE PLOT by Old+Wolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Has anyone noticed that USTR is only 1 place in the alphabet different to USSR ?

  8. A little Jargon explaining by alphakappa · · Score: 5, Informative

    CDMA: Code Division Multiple Access. Here the entire allowed frequency spectrum is used (actually a band) by every user. The idea (in simple terms) is to send out signals that are coded with each user's individual (and unique) code so that only that user can decode it to get meaningful information, everyone else sees that information as noise. You don't need different frequencies in adjacent cells as in traditional cellphone technology (TDMA).

    GSM: Global System for Mobile communications - an advanced technology based on TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access). Here you need different frequencies in adjacent cells. Usually a cluster of cells is used with each cell operating at a different frequency.

    Some more info

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  9. They never applied??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is like complaints from some US car companies that their cars didn't sell well in Japan. But they didn't notice that they drive on the left side of the road in Japan, and they tried to sell regular US models...

  10. CDMA vs. GSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I understand it, CDMA costs about 10% of what GSM costs in terms of towers, switches and other related infrastructure. This is a major reason why the US is such a "fan" of CDMA (ignoring for a moment the obvious "MADE IN USA" aspect of US support). That said, the sound quality of CDMA, particularly with respect to transmission delays, is horrible when compared with GSM. Mobile telephones in GSM areas just sound much, much more like land-line telephones than CDMA ones.

    CDMA may be a marvelous technology, but it has the unfortunate liability that the service that it delivers to the customer is ridiculously second-rate when compared with GSM. I have used cell phones in the US, and I must say that they are uniformly awful when compared with the GSM system in Europe, for example.

  11. Air interface is about 10% of the spec by Slashamatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    GSM is about a heck of a lot more than the air interface. There is a lot connected with roaming between networks, the specification and use of the SIM card. The GSM spec could be changed to include CDMA, but this will hang on a lot of things. The first problem is that of patent licensing the second being the availability of mobile equipment that can switch air interfaces. Note that CDMA will be used by GSM Phase 3 equipment, but that hardly exists at the moment.

    It is the fact that GSM stresses interoperability and the scope of the spec have been major reasons for its success.

  12. US = Unbelievably Stupid by Slashamatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Japan leads the world in the use of GSM Phase 3 technology. The funny thing is that GSM phase 3 uses CDMA as the air interface. As I mentioned earlier, the air interface is only a minor part of the GSM spec. A GSM phase 3 handset can still be used in "reverse compatability mode" roaming onto a GSM Phase 2 system.

    What the US is pushing is a CDMA system that doesn't communicate with anything else, which is being pushed by Qualcomm (and their senators). CDMA should provide a much better overall quality and spectrum of possible services, unfortunately in the US it doesn't. This is becase the air spec is just a small part of it.

    The fun thing is that GSM Phase 3 means that some Qualcomm poatents must be licensed so they are still being paid for the technology.

  13. Mobile Equipment rules in Iraq! by Slashamatic · · Score: 3, Informative
    And this is now, when I can't see the mobile phone market in Iraq being very relevant for the next few years.
    Fwiw, if you don't have a military radio or a satellite telephone, you really want a mobile phone in Iraq. The lack of physical wires means that they tend to be much more reliable *and* it will work in the neighbouring countries. The telephones are, of course, GSM as that is the standard in the arab world.
  14. CDMA in Japan is GSM by Slashamatic · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Japan is deploying GMS Phase 3, which just happens to use CDMA as the air-interface, the rest is as per the standard GSM specs.

    Incidentally, in many parts of the world straight TDMA GSM gives better quality than land-lines because of the digital nature of the network.

  15. Supperior is a question of opinion. by aepervius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When yozu are looking at the financial only, yes CDMA is superuior. But if you look at the quality only, then , sorry but my experience with CDMA was very poor... This is kind of a give-take. I guess that all considered both system are equivalent (none superior).

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  16. Been somewhere similar before by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    At a time when the US and Europe were being sold WAP technology, the Japanese developed imode, and gained around 30m users in a couple of short years.

    WAP never sold well, and people were never convinced of it's merits. End of story - it was superceeded by 3G and ahem, 2.5G. Kind of.

    The fact was that imode could never be sold in Europe because the WAP consortium had outlawed packet switching technologies with respective governments' help. Thus the infrastructure was labelled expensive and proprietary (which is exactly what WAP was anyway), and was prevented from being implemented.

    The WAP consortium was formed with the expressed purpose of keeping Japanese technology out of Europe and the US, and so we can see the same thing happening here - the Japanese develop a superior technology, so US and European carriers seek to refuse it entry to the market.

    Worth remembering next time you go into a mobile phone shop and think "Why hasn't the technology here improved much in the last 5 years?" ...

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  17. Driving on the right in Japan.... by Slashamatic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is a little like saying well, we doon't want to make right-hand drive cars so we demand that part of the road is set aside for cars that drive on the right. Its called compatability.

    Yep, there is much more overhead in GSM because it does more. Qualcomm frankly make me sick because although they developed CDMA for mobile equipment and promoted it aggressively, they forgot that an air-protocol doesn't make a complete system. Implement a fraction of the protocol and everything is faster, but its better not to switch cells mid-call!!!

    As for 'doing the European thing', thats called interoperability, as the rest of the world uses it too. It may be unimportant in the US where only 10% of people have passports but many in the rest of the world do travel.

    The reason why I'm sick of this is that I'm aware of an incident where the US threatened to pull a World Bank loan if the country didn't admit a CDMA system which was 100% incompatible with its neighbours.

  18. I-mode is available in Germany by Slashamatic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I-mode has been available in Germany for two years now from E-plus. It hasn't been that successful here.

    The WAP consortium was only seeking a way to get html down a low-bandwith traditional style connection as that is what is available in most of Europe. GPRS (already deployed) and later UMTS make this redundant.

  19. Re:SIM tied to phone? by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not exactly.. those providers selling DISCOUNT phones, you know, for "free" or for "$5" when you purchase your SIM.... in a package deal, will have the phone locked to only read sims from that provider. That means that if the provider is regional, and all your friends also have phones from the same provider... you can still swap phones all you like.

    You can still take your SIM and use it in any unrestricted GSM phone.

    It's not like open GSM phones are hard to find either.. basically every cellular shop is full of them. The locked ones are just cheaper, that's all.

  20. Re:Oh, forgot, here is the link by Sigurd_Fafnersbane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It should be possible to mod a link down. This Skytel page is the most blatent pseudo-scientific propaganda I have come around in a long time.

    How can true nerds accept a phrase like: "Well in this page we do not see a need of detailed explanation of technical specifications of CDMA and GSM, which, frankly, few of us really can understand." What an insult to the readers intelligence. There is nothing complicated about cellular telephony that people who know what they are talking about cannot explain to folks with basic high school physics background.

    However, CDMA technology checks 800 times per second its transmission level. Therefore, radiation level is 10 times less than AMPS and GSM. Smart, isn't it?

    The output power levels have nothing to do with the speed of the power control loop. GSM and CDMA2k alike adjusts the output power according to the signal quality at the base-station, GSM transmits in short bursts, CDMA2k transmits continuously, the average power is comparable and in a well covered network with small cells boths systems will transmit power far below the max power level anyway.