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A New Type Of Realtime Blocklist: The SURBL

Glamdrlng writes "The SURBL, or "Spam URI Realtime Blocklist", represents a nexus of RBL's and content filtering that may bring us one step closer to a spam magic bullet. While traditional RBL's perform a DNS lookup on the connecting mail server, SURBL's take this a step further by parsing the text of the email looking for URI's and doing a lookup on those web servers. They also prevent "joe jobs" by maintaining a whitelist of legitimate web servers whose domain names may show up in spam messages, e.g. EBay, Paypal, Microsoft, etc. The only requirement to implement the SURBL is a plugin on your MTA such as spamassassin that can parse the body of each email. While there is no MTA that directly supports SURBL's without a plugin, the author hints at one being in development."

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  1. Is this really a GOOD idea? by beh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blocking URLs is an "ACTIVE" measure - and one that opens very bad
    possibilities for abuse. While the While-List would protect against
    this it will protect the BIG players on the market - it can still
    wreak havoc on small/medium enterprises - e.g. a competitor of a
    (pretty much) 'niche' firm could get a spam out advertising the
    COMPETITOR in order to get HIM blocked...

    Or - the other way around - a company gets itself a whitelisting
    (via a "fake" joe-job on itself) and then continues spamming...

    Please stick to PASSIVE measures! They can't be abused...

    1. Re:Is this really a GOOD idea? by beh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (one minor thing I missed before:

      The advent of bayesian spamming brought spams that included whole paragraphs of random words - just so that your list would get more and more bloated...

      How long do you think it will take spammers to add dozens of valid - but in the context of the spam nonsensical - URLs just to fill up the black-list and make it useless?

    2. Re:Is this really a GOOD idea? by acariquara · · Score: 5, Interesting
      What ever happened to Bayesian Noise Reduction/Dobly algorythms? I was hoping for these to get more known and widespread...

      snip snip from their page

      Feb 24: We broke 99.984% today and caught up with CRM114 =). DSPAM is now around ten times more accurate than a human. According to a study by Bill Yerazunis (CRM114), a correspondence secretary is approximately 99.84% accurate at filtering spam. As of today, DSPAM has classified 3140 spams and 3457 nonspams in my mailbox with only 1 false accept and 1 false reject. The false accept was caused by a bug in the BNR code which was fixed, so depending on how you count it, I am getting either 99.968% or 99.984% accuracy. These are from real mailbox statistics, and not based on some 'test corpus' mail sent in. As spammers continue to try and evade filters, statistical filters such as DSPAM continue to adapt easily maintaining their high levels of accuracy.

      And no, I am not posting an URL. If you want to get to the page, google for "Dobly" (yes, that is the actual spelling) and go to the first page.

      --
      Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
  2. Time to dig out this old post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This article advocates a

    (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    (x) Users of email will not put up with it
    ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
    ( ) The police will not put up with it
    ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    ( ) Asshats
    ( ) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    (x) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
    ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    ( ) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
    ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    ( ) Blacklists suck
    (x) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
    ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
    house down!

    1. Re:Time to dig out this old post. by tds67 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I think the preceding post:

      ( ) Was funny.
      ( ) Was informative.
      ( ) Was interesting.
      ( ) Was informative and funny.
      ( ) Was interestingly informative.
      (x) Was funny in an informative sort of way.
      ( ) Was rehash.
      ( ) Is itself spam.
      ( ) Is overrated.
      ( ) Gave me gas.

  3. The whitelist will always be limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are millions of legitimate sites, and most of them aren't major sites like ebay, yahoo, etc. If I want to do a joe-job on an enemy small site, I can cause them a lot of pain by including their link. They'll have a dificult time someone wasn't spamming on their behalf.

  4. SURBL? by Mateito · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, really, who comes up with the names for these things?

    Show me one self-respecting spammer who's going to quake in their boots at the threat of being hit with a "SURBL".

    ("Oh no.. please.. not the SURBL. Don't SURBL me.. Its too much... no.. No.. NOOOOOO!)

    Why not just call it a "NERF" and be done with it?

    I propose we come up with Spam deterrents with names like "Knuckle Duster", "Jagged Bottle", "Bloodied Crowbar" and "Bubba the Love Truncheon".

  5. It's a great idea by Rapid+Home+Offer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Combine it with spamassassin, and you can whitelist emails from companies that you want to recieve email from. Heck, with spamassassin you can give it a very small weight, and adjust the results manually. Every bit of extra information helps, and just ignoring it because it is compiled by somebody else doesn't make sense to me.

  6. Then what happens when .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Spammers could then post their web sites as search URL's on Google, MSN, etc.. If you block those URL's then lots of people would complain that they can't send Google entries. Even if you solved that, then what happens with sites like tinyurl.com? If you block them then you have liability and legal issues to think about. No doubt the spammers will script up a number of ways to cloak the marketeers site urls.

  7. DOSes and things outside of ones control by Corvar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This type of system is very abusable.

    I know I have gotten spam reports from places like spam cop because people have included the URL of my website in their spam. My site had nothing to do with the spam other than the spammer was using an article on the site to back up his point of view.

    This type of system could very easily be abused to blackhole many mailing lists.

  8. sendmail internal RBL by mabu · · Score: 5, Informative

    A good way to start if you're running your own mailserver is to use an internal IP-based blacklist such as the one found here. It's incomplete due to Geocities limitations but send e-mail to that account and the guy running it will send you the whole file. It's a list that he's been compiling now for more than a year of IP blocks, mostly class Bs, that have virtually no useful SMTP traffic and should be completely cut off. This generally consists of the vast majority of Chinese, Korean and Brazillian DULs.

    We've been able to effectively stop about 50% of the spam using these lists and save resources and bandwidth. What's left is to start RBL'ing the domestic DUL IP space (Comcast, SWBell, Bellsouth, etc.) on a class B-level until the ISPs start cracking down on their rogue users.

  9. Counter-attacks are bad-- read this summary by joelparker · · Score: 5, Informative
    Counter-attacks are bad--
    check this summary of spam methods.

    http://netextend.com/junkmail

    ........

    Overview

    • What is Junk Mail?
    • Why Send Junk Mail?
    • How Bad is the Junk Mail Problem?
    • What is Needed?

    Solutions

    • Blacklists
    • Whitelists
    • Greylists
    • Adaptive Filters
    • Challenge-Response
    • Counter-Attacks
    • Tagging
    • Fake Honeypots, Tarpits, Spamholes
    • Sender Policy Framework (SPF)
    • Personal Digital Signatures
    • Internet Mail 2000 (IM2000)

    Conclusion

  10. Already in use by MT-Blacklist by santiago · · Score: 5, Informative

    This exact method is the basis of the MT-Blacklist comment-spam prevention system for Movable Type-based blogs. It works wonderfully, as it identifies spam on the basis of the one feature it must have to be successful--a link back to the spammer's site.