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Intel Launches DRM-Enabled CPUs for Phones and Handhelds

squidfrog writes "AP reports, 'The next generation of Intel Corp. microprocessors for cell phones and handheld computers will, for the first time, include hard-wired security features that can enforce copy protection and help prevent hackers from wreaking havoc on wireless networks.' Or more ominously, 'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'" Intel has a press release.

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  1. The bad part about this by MikeXpop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that it will sell just as well as non-DRM'd hardware because the masses are clueless as to what it does.

    We as geeks need to inform people about this thing.

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    1. Re:The bad part about this by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It will probably sell better than non-DRM hardware because of the way it can be marketed. It allows you to play DRM content that you can't play on non-DRM'd hardware. That sounds like a positive feature if you don't know the details.

      Jason
      ProfQuotes

    2. Re:The bad part about this by Jake+Diamond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the companies pushing these schemes tell Joe Consumer that it's going to make their devices "more secure", and Joe Consumer believes them. Even if they know it's there, I don't think there's going to be an outcry about it because most people think it's a good thing. Lots of people hear about the downsides of such technology, and write it off as a paranoid delusion.

    3. Re:The bad part about this by EpsCylonB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that it will sell just as well as non-DRM'd hardware because the masses are clueless as to what it does.

      We as geeks need to inform people about this thing.


      I have got a feeling that people will eventually realise what DRM is and it's disadvantages. Bear in mind that the early adopters of the kind of device this will be used in will likely be technologically literate, and the widespread use of mp3 by the general public mean that any DRM that is too restrictive will probably lead to failure.

      As long as there is a non DRM option people will choose the hardware that lets them do what they want.

    4. Re:The bad part about this by MikeXpop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Joe Consumer is not gullable. He is ignorant as you said. However he's only ignorant when it comes down to computers. Joe Consumer has more important thing to worry about than some DRM thing in his cell phone. It's also important to realize that Joe doesn't read slashdot or fark or kuro5hin. The only exposure he'll have to DRM knowledge is the spin Intel puts on it. And of course it will be a positive one.

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    5. Re:The bad part about this by Niten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Just last night there was a blurb on CNN that mentioned these new processors, after which the news anchor told the audience that these revolutionary new phones would surely protect them from the hacker threat. Kind of makes you wonder who was really writing his lines...

  2. So now... by rdsmith4 · · Score: 5, Funny
    will I have to pay royalties to use my favorite Rush song as a ringtone?

    Argh.

  3. Mod chip? by solid · · Score: 5, Funny

    So will I now have to get a mod chip for my mobile phone?

    1. Re:Mod chip? by Goldfinger7400 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rather, could this be the catylyst that might prompt hackers to engineer their own equipment, rather than just taking a PC with Windows and some downloadable software to do mischief. The earliest traditions of hackers were based off of trying to avoid stuff like this, with big Intel locking down its architecture to keep out script kiddies might we see a new renaissance of serious hardware hackers working on hackable hardware?

    2. Re:Mod chip? by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It will not be modchipped

      You're right. It will be emulated instead. That emulation may or may not be done on a "mod chip".

      It's your property. You rip your chip open, read out your master key, and you have regained control over your own property. Or you pay someone a few bucks to rip open your chip for you and read out your key for you.

      Once you know your own master key you have god-level control over your property. The entire Trust system falls apart. The Trust system relies entirely upon the assumption that people don't know their key.

      I sorta wish I was back in college with a suitable lab handy for scanning microchips. I'd run right out and buy one of these cell phones and get to work on it. I may not have the microscopes and other equipment handy, but I'd be more than happy to go to work reverse-engineering the boot-rom and programming an interoperable emulator.

      It's not used on the desktop yet but the hardware will be there when Longhorn comes out.

      Yep, and going to work on these cellphones will be GREAT practice for liberating PC's from Microsoft's NaGSCaB control.

      It's your property and they can't stop you from reading out YOUR key. Once you know your key you can liberate YOUR computer from THEIR control. All they can do is make it inconvienent. The whole "Trust" system is a load of crap. It would be a good system if they simply game the owner of the system a copy of his key in the first place.

      There is no POSSIBLE way your computer can be any less secure or protect you any less simply because you know your key. The system is still just as secure at protecting your data from attackers, at protecting you from hack attempts and viruses. There is NO legitimate justification to attempt to forbid people to know their own key.

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  4. Yeah, right. by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'"

    Right, unless you hold down the Shift key when you put the CD in... honestly people, as long as its digital, people will discover loopholes around the system and break it. I don't want to say the effort is pointless, but it definitely is a losing battle.

  5. Not for me! by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'll just stick with my trusty ol' Z80 semi-portable -PDA, which I built myself and power of a motorcycle battery. *GRUNT*

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  6. Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Person: I think that I would like to buy some stock.
    Broker: Well chip maker ***STATIC*** is doing well, you should buy them.
    Person: What company? I could not hear you.
    Broker: ***STATIC*** you know they compete with Intel?
    Person: Oh AMD, are they doing well?
    Broker: What did you say? I could not hear. Did you say ***STATIC***?

  7. Not the end of the world, folks... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article:

    To provide system and application engineers the ability to fully utilize the features of the Intel PXA27x processor family, Intel is providing the Intel® Compiler and Intel® Integrated Performance Primitives, as well as optimized board support packages with drivers and power management software. Key OS vendors and ISVs like Sony Music Entertainment* have utilized these tools to create a comprehensive library of applications optimized for the new processors.

    The way I read that, is that this processor has a few commands built into it that help make or validate keys. Notice how the DRM is built into the application and not the OS. The article also says this:

    The Intel 2700G multimedia accelerator delivers DVD-quality video playback on VGA displays and supports a wide range of video formats such as MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and Microsoft* Windows Media Video9.

    I take that to mean that it can do some key-type checking, but again - it's not part of the OS. In fact, the article also says this:

    The phone platform supports full-featured operating systems from companies like Microsoft*, PalmSource*, Symbian* as well as MontaVista* Linux and Java* environments.

    It runs Linux, so...DRM is already optional.

    So, unless there's other documentation somewhere stating otherwise, I don't believe this is true "trusted computing" big-brother-knows-best DRM. I'd guess that the CPU has a few custom instructions that help doing RSA or something like that.

    Weaselmancer

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  8. Re:Palladium by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Intel NGSCB for phones is here.

    dit-dit-dit-diddit-dit-dit

    brrt-brrt-click
    "Hello, John?"
    "Yes, John Ashcroft here...oops, damn, I wasn't supposed to say anything, was I?"
    "wtf! What are you doing on my friend's phone?"
    "Just remember, son, it's all Clinton's fault."
    "Tell him he's either with us or against us!"
    "Damn Intel!'
    "That's what I say, we need better intel."
    "Did he just say something bad about my intelligence?"
    "No, Mr. President. So you see we'll be able to listen in on Iraqi terrorists like this."
    "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? BUGGING CELL PHONES?!!?!"
    WHAM! WHAM! WHAM!
    "Ow! That hurt! My ears are ringing, have him arrested for assaulting the President of the United States."
    "Oh, we'll get around to him, sir, we'll get around to all of them."

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  9. Re:No issues here, if you have ETHICS by rokzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    yeah, that's how it works in an ideal world. but then we wouldn't need DRM in the first place would we?

    consider the recently released PC game Painkiller that contains SafeDisc anti-copy protection. this contains a blacklist. if you have any of the blacklisted hardware/software, the game won't run. the list includes:

    -CD-writers
    -Nero writer software
    -virtual CD drive software

    the net result: people who have legitimately purchased the game cannot run it. they have done absolutely nothing "wrong" in either the legal, ethical or technical meanings of the word. their only hope to use the product they have purchased is to bypass the copy-protection, making them criminals in the USA under the DMCA.

    DRM isn't generally as bad as this case, but it is still fundamentaly flawed in that it can only work properly under perfectly controlled circumstances. that means saying goodbye to flexibility, and in some cases usability.

  10. Re:Palladium by maevius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok. Now convince everybody who doesn't have a clue or don't care about DRM, to stop buying intel products so it will never succeed...<BR>

  11. Re:Why is DRM bad? by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Copyright doesn't grant you anything resembling the rights granted by DRM.

    Assuming it does is philisophically/economically/legally bankrupt.

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  12. Re:Wait just one minute... by TerminalInsanity · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry, but the alarm sound is (c) Britney Spears and only your father had the rights to this sound. Your watch is now disabled untill you pay Britney Spears 50c.

  13. Re:Why is DRM bad? by PoesRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    DRM is frowned upon for many reasons. Personally, I find it distateful because it erodes our property rights (i.e. the ability to control the computer I payed a substantial amount of money for) and that it operates under the basic assumption that we are all criminals, which I find offensive. I have yet to see copy protection that didnt hinder honest users more than those who steal it. The people who crack software are barely slowed down, and so really its the person who payed for it that gets bitten by the copy protection (and this holds true for all copy protected content.)

  14. Music! by antic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How the fuck did we get to the point where music needs to be "secure content"?

    What happened to kids having jam sessions in their parents' garages?

    What happened to aboriginies hitting sticks against each other?

    Or bands playing gigs in pubs?

    Yes, these are careers and corporations, but just think about then and now. Music for the love of it then, music for the money in it now.

    RIAA/MPAA & friends need to step back and take a look at what they're doing and requesting from hardware, software, and people.

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    'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
  15. Re:Only on planet slashdot.. by phoneyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rightsholders not only want to exercise their rights, but also forbid you from exercising yours.

    That is the true heart of the problem, and the protest. Personally I've got far more paid-for content than not, and I'm very willing to pay for content as long as I can make full use of it.

    However, I am not going to shell out my cash for content I can only use at home, on a Tuesday, if it's sunny, and I can get my DRM-enabled software to work. Furthermore I'm unwilling to repeatedly pay for content every time the distribution method changes - ie: from tape to CD, from VHS to DVD, etc. I want to be able to make the choice to "upgrade" my media based on the benefits of the media or the media delivery system. There are real benefits to be had by buying my movie collection as DVDs, but I want to be able to make that choice not have that choice forced on me.

    If DRM becomes ubiquitous then you can guarantee that content will be "leased" and not sold. The sale model will be deprecated and all your content will be rented on a schedule dictated purely by the rightsholders.

    DRM means you say goodbye to the general purpose computing machine. It means you say goodbye to home-brew software, homebew hardware, homebrew content creation - all that creative endeavour becomes illegal, or impossible. No more listening to CDs of your friends garage band - they can't afford a key to "sign" their content, and your CD player won't play unsigned content, and the DMCA says you can't hack it so you can.

    Fuck that.

    Pierre

  16. Re:Why is DRM bad? by whydoyouask · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact is that DRM is not designed to protect content creators. It is designed to protect the profits of the publishers and distributors that have a near monopoly on the channels of distribution. This gives them the ability to say take it or leave it to both consumers and the artists. This also allows them to keep the vast majority of talented artists out of the distribution channels artificially keeping supply out of balance with demand and inflating their profits. Their biggest fear is the loss of control of the distribution channels not that the artists will be cheated. Here At Roland we are awash in talented musicians that can't make a living at their art because the channels are controlled so tightly. Most of them don't expect to become rich, they just want their music heard.