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A Step Closer To The Optimum Solar Cell

An anonymous reader writes "Besides cost, solar cell efficiency is the second most critical criteria. Scientists from Berkeley Lab and other institutions, have announced a new solar cell material that may be able to achieve an extraordinary efficiency of about 50 percent -- twice the amount of the current record holder."

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  1. This is the last you will hear of this by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ah, an efficient solar cell. This is the last you will hear of this! Halliburton and Big Oil will immediately buy the patent and sit on it, just like they did the antigravity saucer, the 300 mph carburetor, cold fusion, and Skynet microchips from the future. Save your cache while you can!

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    1. Re:This is the last you will hear of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, it's a 300 mpg carburetor.

    2. Re:This is the last you will hear of this by Veramocor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I heard Gilette is sitting on a design for a razor with, get this, 6 blades!!!!

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  2. interesting story, dependance on crystal growth by ubiquitin · · Score: 3, Informative

    In 1999, Walukiewicz and others at Berkeley Lab were working with solar-cell designers at DOE's National Renewable Energy Laboratory, who were trying to build a three-junction cell. The NREL researchers inadvertently created the first photovoltaic semiconductor with a split band gap. But at first they didn't realize it.

    "They needed a new material with a 1-eV band gap and a crystal lattice structure that matched the other layers of the cell," Walukiewicz explains. "They used gallium indium arsenide nitride alloys in which just a little nitrogen could achieve the desired band gap, and an almost perfect lattice match."

    Since the band-gap reduction was unexpected, Walukiewicz set out to find out how it worked. The answer, it developed, was that the few atoms of nitrogen, which are much more electronegative than the host atoms (much more strongly attractive to electrons) produced a narrow energy band of their own, splitting the GaInAs conduction band into two parts. The gap to the lower of the two conduction bands was the desired 1 eV.

    In the case of GaInAs, other characteristics of the split bands made for a poor solar cell material. Nevertheless, Walukiewicz and his colleagues continued to investigate the phenomenon and developed a model of the split-band phenomenon known as "band anticrossing."

    ...

    Yu admits that forming highly mismatched alloys is "challenging from a crystal-growth point of view," but there is hope that crystals can be grown epitaxially (the growth on a crystalline substrate of a crystalline substance that mimics the orientation of the substrate). One good sign, he says, is that Japanese researchers have already grown thick oxygen-doped crystals of a related material, zinc selenium.

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  3. ...when I see it by samael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to jump for joy whenever I saw things like this.

    But experience generally showed that Breakthrough X which would produce cheap power/double battery life/allow 5 terabytes in my computer never actually arrived at the market.

    I'm still waiting for holographic storage from 10 years ago!

    1. Re:...when I see it by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yeah, because you don't use a multi ghz computer, have the possiblity of buying hd's that are hundreds of gb's or use a cellphone that's ridiculously small compared to models available in 80's.

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    2. Re:...when I see it by samael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All of which are incremental changes.

      In my experience things get slowly better - anything promising a vast improvement overnight tends to be a little less likely to appear.

    3. Re:...when I see it by julesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Largley because the incremental process tends to catch up with it before the new idea becomes commercialised.

      That's what happened to all the funky things we tend to hear about. We don't all have massively parallel computers because Intel etc didn't all get stuck at 4-500MHz as was predicted some time in the mid 90s.

      We don't have holographic storage because, quite frankly, it just ain't worth it when magnetic storage can pack hundreds of gigabytes in a device that is, honestly, about as small as you really need it to be.

      If there was a demand for these items, even a perceived one, they'd get produced. But there isn't.

      Now, a 50% solar cell...?

    4. Re:...when I see it by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If there was a demand for these items, even a perceived one, they'd get produced. But there isn't.

      Now, a 50% solar cell...?


      While demand in the alternative energy market is iffy right now, you'll definitely have demand for more efficient photovoltaics at _any_ price in the space industry.

      Lifting mass into space is expensive. If you can get a 2-3x improvement in power to weight ratio of your solar arrays using materials like this, the world will beat a path to your door even if you don't have a way to grow it epitaxially.

      As for long-term cost prospects, we're already mass-manufacturing similar highly-mismatched alloys for LEDs (anything with Ga/N/As as constituents, for one), so I'm confident costs will come down eventually.

      Very nifty technology.

  4. No Solar For You! by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The calculated efficiency of a single-junction solar cell made with this material would be a remarkable 57 percent. But while the single-junction architecture is elegantly simple, many questions have to be answered before ZnMnOTe or any of its highly mismatched cousins prove they can do the job.

    So not only does it not work yet, but any article that starts off with the words "besides cost..." is obviously talking about an economic impossibility.

    We're stuck with cheap oil until it runs out in a few decades. And then we're stuck trying to rebuild civilization with coal.

    1. Re:No Solar For You! by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We're stuck with cheap oil until it runs out in a few decades. And then we're stuck trying to rebuild civilization with coal.

      Something wrong with nuclear power?
      The gap between running out of oil and igniting fusion can be filled with fission based reactors.
      Sure, fission-waste is not something you want. But it sure beats the crap out of coal.

    2. Re:No Solar For You! by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Energy expense is the thing. Especially once the cost of mining rises due to the increasing expense of oil. (All that heavy equipment runs on gasoline, not electricity.)

  5. Solar energy . . . the big picture . . . by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Though a lot of the green crowd have been big proponents of solar cells, solar cells are pretty nasty beasts containing gallium, tellurium, and other heavy metals and nasty components . . . manufactuering them also produces a significant amount of nasty byproducts and waste.

    One things that I've never seen is the lifetime and disposal costs of solar cells . . . that never seems to be factored into the so called "solar renewable energy" equation.

    1. Re:Solar energy . . . the big picture . . . by Infinite93 · · Score: 5, Informative
      The last issue of HomePower www.homepower.com contains a list of RE myths 'debunked'.

      The ROI (for retail and manufacture cost) and the Enviromental impact of production is addressed.

      Granted the source is an RE magazine, but they do list references on some of the studies if you want to follow up.

    2. Re:Solar energy . . . the big picture . . . by raygundan · · Score: 4, Informative

      The panels you can buy and use for your house today have a 3-4 year energy payoff. (ie, they make an amount of energy equal to what was put in to them in production) They last in the neighborhood of 20-30 years.

      There are some nasty chemicals required for production. The total environmental impact, however, is significantly smaller than obtaining the same lifetime amount of power from any other source available. The waste produced by a similar amount of power from coal, nuclear, gas, etc... over a similar lifetime is significantly larger.

      The pollution only happens once, for 20-30 years worth of power. The pollution from any other option doesn't stop unless you stop using it.

    3. Re:Solar energy . . . the big picture . . . by ttfkam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find it odd that the first page says "Myth: Solar living means sacrificing conveniences," while later on it says, "A PV system provides the required electricity. This type of design is not the norm by far--it's just a little too expensive
      up front for most people--and it might require the owners to put on a sweater indoors a few times a year." Turning up the heat when you're cold is a convenience. Having to put sweaters on, however simple and beneficial a solution it may be, is NOT a convenience. Hint: If you are forced to seek an alternative, it is not as convenient.

      Myth: You can't use solar energy in far northern latitudes.

      When it's sunny, yes, you can use it in northern latitudes. What happens during the rainy season? In many northern states, the rainy season is at least half the year. Go on battery the whole time the sun isn't visible? What happens if (when!) the battery goes dead? Americans used

      And let's discuss cost. The brochure you presented states that costs are so bad. Last I checked, good solar panels for the home were upwards of $30,000. If you are already paying for a new house, the extra cost of setting up solar is marginal. For folks who are just getting by (everyone with kids in college), $30,000 just isn't there. Costs from environmental damage where we don't immediately see the price tag? That's fair. Absolutely that's a fair statement to make. Then again so is saying, "What about the hidden costs of completely ripping out an established infrastructure in favor of a new one?" Isn't that fair too?

      The idea is to minimize the impact of microhydro by following some simple rules. Always leave enough flow in the stream bed for aquatic life. If migratory fish use your stream, make sure that they and their fry can swim past our diversion, and cannot be drawn into the enstock intake. Always put the diverted water back into the same stream bed in a way that does not cause erosion.

      Once again, a fair statement. However how is microhydro going to handle the macro scale when you (a) can't pack them closely together and (b) cannot disrupt the normal activity of the surrounding water? Put more in to get more energy? Remember the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. As it is not created nor destroyed, if you use a sufficient amount of energy in one system, that amount is removed from another system. Environmentally sound? Reducing the energy by a significant amount would be environmentally sound? Most of the world's creatures live at or near a coastline. Carefully consider whether or not you want to mess with this substantially.

      Nukes produce nuclear waste, and even after spending billions of taxpayer and ratepayer dollars, no acceptable disposal solution has been brought to the table.

      This one kills me. First of all, the term "nukes" usually refers to "nuclear weapons." The requirements for nuclear power are dramatically different from those of bombs. You might as well assert that electricity should be banned because electric chairs are made. It has no place in a power generation conversation. Second of all, there are nuclear reactors such as IFR (Integral Fast Reactor) which were designed specifically to address critics' problems with nuclear. It does not rely on coolant, computer control, or human interaction/intervention to prevent accidents; Safety is dependant upon natural phenomena and the laws of physics to operate. The working prototype for IFR conducted a series of tests where coolant was shut off and all of the usual precursors to a meltdown were put into place. No damage. No leakage. Nothing but a safe, controlled shutdown -- without human or computer interaction. This is not hypothetical. This is historical fact. In fact,

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    4. Re:Solar energy . . . the big picture . . . by dan42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The panels you can buy and use for your house today have a 3-4 year energy payoff. (ie, they make an amount of energy equal to what was put in to them in production)
      Which accounts for about half the cost of buying and installing said panels. So you can expect them to pay for themselves in about 8 years - except by then you'll need a new set of batteries. So ~10 years until it starts earning you money.
      In fact I think swapping batteries at least 4 times in 30 years will provide a more significant form of pollution.

  6. The only equation that matters by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 3, Insightful


    When it comes to adoption of solar power, there's only one calculation that really matters:

    C = Cost of installing solar panel
    R = Revenue generated (or money saved) per year
    M = Maintainence costs per year

    (R - M) >= C * 20%

    In plain english, when you can get (somewhere around) a 20% return on investment from installing a solar panel, you'll start to see them on top of office building, parking garages, and just out in the middle of open fields, soaking up money.

    Until then, solar power will be a technical curiosity for use in special situations (outer space) and for those with a political agenda.

    1. Re:The only equation that matters by PrinceAshitaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this equation matters if you are planning on investing in a solar power plant. I would believe that there is a market for solar powqer for people that would like to live off the grid. unlike nuclear or coal power it is plausible to have a solar power generator for a house and a neiborhood.

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    2. Re:The only equation that matters by SB9876 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that most people miss is that solar cells have started to push past this goal. They now take less energy to manufacture than they capture in their lifetime (always a bonus), and the cost per kWh is pushing down to 2-3 times grid electricity. Given that solar cells have demonstrated a steady decline in cost for the past few decades, chances are good that we'll start seeing large scale adoption in the next decade.

      There's also other factor encouraging the use of solar cells. For one, they're much more durable. There's some cells now that can be used rdirectly as roofing tiles where you can put nails through them and walk on them. They aren't the best panels out there but the ruggedness factor is attractive. Also, most power companies now let you sell off excess capacity back to the power grid these days. That development alone can make solar cell arrays in sunny areas pay for themselves in 10 years or so.

      Unfortunately, I live in Seattle, land of little direct sunlight and no steady wind. Renewable energy for me is out until those solar cells get another 50% decline in $/kWh.

  7. Re:Something wrong with nuclear power? Oh yeah... by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful
    t is extremely expensive and dangerous,
    If I am not mistaking, nuclear power is the cheapest.

    A bucket of fission waste under your bed, or a bucket of coal.
    Don't compare these things. The first is a waste product, the second is the raw material.
    The choice should be between a bucket of fission waste and a room filled the ashes and gasses that resulted from burning coal. I am not sure what would kill you first.

    I don't want either of them. But the fission waste can be stored and handeld. I a century or so, we might find a solution for it. The gas on the other hand goes in the atmosphere. You try getting it out. It too might be possible in a century. At least with fission waste the poles don't melt and the climate doesn't change. Although I do have to say that the sun is also partially responsible for a temp-rise.
    I don't understand the problem people have with fission. Sure it aint pretty, but it's the best we have so far.

  8. Great news by b-baggins · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we can run 5 100-watt light bulbs per square meter in death valley in full sunlight.

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  9. Re:The Socialist solution by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Under Socialism, R is also 0, but M might not be. You pay for it alright, just not directly.

    So under Socialism there is *no* incentive to use them other than political adgendas.
    =Smidge=

  10. This underscores the need for ... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Major research into energy storage. The 2 major problems that we have in energy generation is either
    1. the peak total of plants are pretty much maxed out and will require building of new plants
    2. Alternative energy is sporadic and can not be counted on (except for tidal).
    Right now, we have money going into generation, but really need to spend it on storage as nothing really works well. I would love to money put into Beoings use of salt and a stirling engine for doing this. But I doubt it will happen.
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  11. Re:Something wrong with nuclear power? Oh yeah... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative
    If I am not mistaking, nuclear power is the cheapest.
    Sorry, you are mistaken. Perhaps Thatcher didn't build any more nuclear plants because she was a raving greeny (for those who don't know any recent history, Thatcher was a long way to the right), not becuase of the enormous losses of British Nuclear Fuels. Nuclear power is only cheap if you cook the books by not counting subsidies - it's a very expensive way to boil water.
    The choice should be between a bucket of fission waste and a room filled the ashes and gasses that resulted from burning coal. I am not sure what would kill you first.
    This is just silly, enough of either will kill you - gas at a few hundred degrees will certainly burn, ash will bury. The nearest office building to you may well contain a lot of coal ash used to make lightweight concrete - the majority of ash is silica in some form or another. Suphur and Nitrogen oxides are not good things to be released, which is why coal fired plants have "scrubbers" - the NOx and SOx is dissolved when the hot gas bubbles through water. It's not an expensive technology at all and has been in use for decades in most of the world. Carbon dioxide is the problem, but nuclear power is still just a 1950's white elephant used as the nice side of nuclear weapons. There are a lot better things to do with radioactive materials than boil water - it costs a huge amount to contain a process like that. Don't blindly believe the advertising agency line for nuclear power - "clean" is not the word that should be used for anything that will kill you on contact or in close proximity.
    But the fission waste can be stored and handeld
    Name one successful long term storage project. Synrock showed enormous promise, the the funding was cut before the project was finished. Dumping the stuff in the ocean in stainless steel drums, or stacking the stuff in tunnels is the current answer.

    Anyway, this is a discussion on solar cells, which lend themselves to distributed power generation of some form or another - they don't have to be big. More efficiency there makes the solar powered laptop easier to acheive.

  12. We did the time warp again? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Until then, solar power will be a technical curiosity for use in special situations (outer space)
    Ever seen a pocket calculator? They don't plug into the wall anymore - they started to run on batteries, and now run on solar power. Marine navigation lights don't burn parafin, they have little solar panels on top of them. A lot of microwave relay towers are solar powered. Yachts have solar panels. I would have said the exact same things in the 1990s and it is now 2004. A better solar cell helps in those applications where they are already in use, and makes other applications easier to implement.

    In plain english, there are other design criteria other than a very simple equation even an economist could understand. Economies of scale mean that in most cases it is cheaper for a business to get power from a grid, no matter what powers it.

  13. Cheap spray-on coating that generates electricity! by DoraLives · · Score: 2
    The good news is that one of these days somebody's actually going to do it.

    The bad news is that shortly thereafter, everything will turn an odious dull black.

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  14. Tertiary recovery of oil by Tau+Zero · · Score: 2, Informative
    The problem with using water is that it is an immiscible fluid, and much of the oil will tend to remain stuck in pores in the rock rather than flow out under the small bouyancy forces caused by water.

    You can get around this by using a non-polar solvent instead of water. Liquid carbon dioxide is good for this, with two further benefits:

    • CO2 is a byproduct of combustion, so is plentiful, and
    • Putting CO2 into the earth is a good way of sequestering it, so using recovered CO2 to dissolve and lift oil can simultaneously help meet CO2-reduction targets.
    The real interesting times will come when (I'm sure it's when, not if) energy from solar becomes so cheap that we wind up using it to perform environmental remediation. We might wind up making crude-like oil and pumping it back into the earth just to put excess carbon away. We are already able to make "light sweet" oil from organic goo using thermal depolymerization, so taking it to that conclusion it is only a matter of purpose and scale.
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  15. Re:Something wrong with nuclear power? Oh yeah... by NelsChristian · · Score: 2, Informative
    It is the cheapest. Or was circa 1970-80 when I worked for NSP. The problems were political and legal. I heard a lot of talk about subsidy, but I never saw any proof thereof. The only thing proposed is an insurance liability limitation. Since Nuclear power is safer from the mine to the plant, that's only a reflection of real costs, not a subsidy.

    And if you wait a century, you don't have much beyond cold metallic waste. At one point the anti nuclear folk thought they'd stop the plants by refusing any movement of the waste. They thought the plants would choke on it. However, they let the plants double the size of the waste ponds. Since the stuff cools and can be compacted reasonably quickly, doubling the space gave something like 3-5 times more space (I no longer remember the real number, but it's exponential), and when you do pull stuff out, it's much less radioactive than before.

    I'm not a nuclear engineer, but I met a bunch there, and found them all worth respect. The only liars and fools in the argument were the anti-nuke-power folk.

  16. Other development by codeButcher · · Score: 3, Informative
    Research done here in South Africa by Prof. Vivian Alberts et al has turned up some more promising results. From another article (here, unfortunaltely not in English) some of the highlights:
    • Cu, In, Ga, Se and S are deposited via a vacuum & diffusion process
    • Can be deposited on plain glass (same stuff used for window panes)
    • 1 micron of this stuff absorbs more sunlight than 350 microns of Si (about 99% of light - don't know how this translates to efficiency, though - article not too technical).
    • Panels like these would cost roughly a tenth of the price of those currently available.
    • Pilot plant for manufacturing was expected to begin manufacturing somewhere in April (this month), manufacturing panels 400mm x 500mm @ 20W
    • Pilot plant (100 sq m) to cost about US$ 2.3 - probably within reach for many developing countries.
    Unfortunalty there's not much more detail or Web references....
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  17. Re:Something wrong with nuclear power? Oh yeah... by ttfkam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...gas at a few hundred degrees will certainly burn, ash will bury.

    You were aware that coal ash is highly toxic as well as radioactive, weren't you? With direct exposure to nuclear waste, you could die from radiation sickness (needing something like >10,000 rems to do that) or get cancer somewhere down the road. With direct exposure to coal ash, you could get poisoned by toxins, die from cancer somewhere down the road from that exposure, or die from cancer from the outputs of that power plant in the groundwater or air. Did you know that radioactivity in and around coal plants is higher by two orders of magnitude than those found outside a nuclear power plant? Did you know that the NRC rules for radioactivity outside a power plant are lower than the ambient radioactivity found in nature? Did you know that Grand Central Station in NYC would be automatically disqualified as a site for a nuclear power plant simply because the amount of radioactivity in its granite construction exceeds NRC maximum levels?

    "Yes, the American taxpayer has paid $1 billion [as of 1980] to research nuclear safety ... the American taxpayer also pays $1 billion, not total, but year after year, to Black Lung victims -- not to cure or eliminate it, but just to compensate its victims."

    "... the US government ... has very few enterprises that make money. But one of the them is uranium enrichment, for which the fuel manufacturers pay through their noses, and another is Price-Anderson insurance, the premia for which are paid by utilities, partly to private insurance pools, partly to the US government. The private insurances pay first, and they have so far paid $400,000 for 26 minor claims; Uncle Sam hasn't paid anything yet (and probably never will), but sits on a fund of $8 million of as yet unused premia. And, of course, the utilities pay taxes -- local, state, and federal -- with the stockholders paying a second round of taxes from their dividends. You call that a subsidy?"

    - The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear by Dr. Petr Beckman. © 1980

    The only reason nuclear could be more expensive (though still cheaper per kilowatt than solar) is because of the much expanded regulations on the nuclear industry that do not exist in the other industries.

    A hairline crack was found in the plumbing of stand-by equipment in a nuclear power plant some years back. This was found by visual inspection. There was no leakage -- even taking into account that this was not radioactive water in the pipes. So what was the NRC's decision? Take down this plant and every nuclear plant in the country with the same design -- I believe something like 22 of them at the time. And what did they find? The one hairline crack: the one originally found by regular visual inspection. If ANY industry were held to the same safety standards as nuclear, they would be bankrupt. As it stands, nuclear is still competitive. If such ornerous (ridiculous) safety checks were not in place, it would be substantially more reliable and cost effective than any alternative.

    Well, that and the fact that rabid Greens have lobbied successfully against breeder reactors in the U.S. which could make nuclear power generation even more profitable than it is today. IFR reactors could process the "waste" waiting to be stuck into Yucca Mountain AND repurpose nuclear warheads for power generation -- a proper end in my opinion to a large portion of our current nuclear stockpile.

    But no. Nuclear is BAD.

    Or did you have delusions that solar power would save the day or that coal is better than nuclear?

    Please do not misunderstand. I welcome increased usage of solar, wind, and to some extend tidal, but these are not enough to supply 3,720 billion kilowatt hours of po

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  18. Try Low-Tech First by Shipud · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In many Mediterranian countries, water is heated using solar panels which utilize the greenhouse effect. The idea is that blackened water pipes are running through a glass panel installed on the roof, facing south. Hot water is stored in a tank. In summer, and in many winter months, this removes the need for heating water electrically. Coming to a sunny part of the US, I was pretty astonished not to find that. Well, at least not in Cali. Makes you wonder why how much this new development will be implemented.

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