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A New Ice Age?
barakn writes "Scientists have savaged the new movie The Day After Tomorrow, which depicts global warming causing a new ice age and freezing New York solid. The movie follows on the heels of a report to the Department of Defense in February, written by two guys who are not climatologists, about the implications of global warming triggering the growth of ice sheets in the northern hemisphere. There is a plausible theory which suggests that melting ice may release enough fresh water to halt circulation of warm water from the Gulf Stream, thus significantly cooling Europe and the east coast of North America. Note that this theory depends on melting ice, not growing ice, which may be one reason scientists find the ice age scenario so hard to swallow. New satellite evidence suggests a part of this circulation may already be slowing down. Those on the North American west coast will not have to worry about ice sheets, but changes in Arctic ice could mean the western drought will be permanent. For those of you who would rather do something before it's too late, iron seems to work, but the long-term ecological implications are still unknown."
fork yew!!
Loose?? I'll show you loose !!
Whether or not you see the implications of the UNDENIABLE RAPID CLIMATE CHANGE as either causing a mini-ice age, end of the gulf stream, or just higher sea levels, one thing is certain: President Bush is a stupid motherfucker. Here is a man who simply does not work on facts. He subverted the facts about Saddam, sending back reports until they contained the intelligence he wanted, he ignored the facts about Al-Queada, he doesn't understand the economy, facts about foreign policy, how the internatinal community works, or any other facts, for that matter.
Its not that I'm some kind of a raving democrat. I liked Clinton, because he brought about economic stability, growth, and when he was president, I had a loft apartment, a relationship with a d-list actress (she couldn't act, but god, she was hot), a series of excellent, overpaying jobs in IT, my name on guest lists at places where a celebrity might spill a drink on me, and I didn't need a car, because I had a stack of car service vouchers in my pocket from work. I am in fact a liberal identified libertarian, who believes in the free market, that monopolies are evil, but really only when they use the government to create their monopolies (like patents, licenses, etc) and the simple principle that if I have to pay 45% tax, I should very well get universal health care and a cheap education at a state college or university. I'd rather pay a 5% tax rate, and effectively get the services I get now, but that ain't going to happen.
There have been non-evil Republicans, like Teddy Roosevelt, and admit it: Nixon created OSHA, the EPA, ended the Vietnam War, open diplomatic channels with China and said "cocksucker" about 10 million times. Not so bad.
But this piece of shit Bush! He didn't even get elected, he got appointed after using that cunt Kathleen Harris to subvert democracy. He stopped stem-cell research, which needs to create breakthroughs NOW if Gen-X is going to realize the promise of a productive three digit life span. He has invaded three countries, only one of which deserved it, and because he overstretched the military, Mexico could probably retake the Southwest, if they wanted to. He took the Arabic language experts and intelligence officials out of Afghanistan to go his War of Lies in Iraq, meaning that bin Laden (the real enemy for people keeping count) is still out there. He is the only president EVER to go the White House with a criminal record, for all of the abuse Clinton took about admitted to smoking weed, Bush has yet to come clean about his coke problem, he has lost millions of jobs, and the fundamental value of the NYSE is about 60% of what it was under Clinton. He spent the surplus and plunged us into defecit. He has cut back the programs that all of us outsourced workers need, and he is also cutting back on the programs for the military families. They don't get earned-income-tax credit, because they don't get paid enough. He is cutting medical benefits for veterans, and lied to them, many of whom were specifically told they would only serve 12 month tours, are going to be there for at least twice that long.
And we haven't even touched the environment. Backed out of the Kyoto protocol, prompting the 2nd biggest polluter to do the same (Russia). He refuses to accept the obvious fucking truth that the climate is changing, very rapidly, and despite the numerous warnings, even from inside his own intelligence network, still chalks it up to be a "normal pattern".
Only drug addict assholes like Rush Limaugh would claim that the obvious scientific evidence has a partisan spin.
This guy needs to be impeached, and his entire cabinet needs jail time. I can't stand this shit any more. Every fucking day the news gets worse.
If he gets re-appointed, mark my words, there will be a limited nuclear exchange with North Korea, probably involving the Alaskan pipeline. There will be war in Iran, and there will be a draft.
Ashcroft will put most of us in front of a judge either
But people, even otherwise intelligent people, just simply don't want to know the truth. They attack the messenger, they bury their heads in the sand. After a while I just decided that we might as well let Nature takes its course. If we're too stupid to clean our own nest we deserve extinction.
Now I know how the Easter Islanders could let themselves get into the position they did...
it occurs to me that people dismissing global warming are either
1. arrogant Americans (mostly) who refuse to accept that they are destroying the environment at a far greater rate than the size of their population justifies. but are ready to accept Shell-sponsored studies reported on commercial TV about "hey, fossil fuels are okay after all!"
2. ignorant people who get stuck when people mention "ice age" or "Europe cooling" and "global warming" in the same paragraph and assume that all the educated scientists somehow missed the "obvious" fact that warming makes things hot not cold!!!!oneoneone
all of you claiming that humans can't possibly effect the world are either very, very stupid or don't want to admit it because you don't want to feel guilty.
> I haven't seen any
Oh, an armchair climatologist. Can't wait for the reposte that claims that climatologists are doing it for their own personal agenda.
> It would take a massive development to make this anything other than junk science
Yeah, that is why those things are published in such back-world papers like Science and Nature.
> The U.S. already consumes more CO2 than it produces.
Care to back this up? Is the US secretly growing vast forests? The US has the most CO2 emissions, how do you achieve to have a netto minus? Maybe you can tell the other countries about it.
"Between strong and weak, between rich and poor [...], it is freedom which oppresses and the law which sets free"
Given that humans can adapt to a new climate very easily (often over the course of a few days or even hours), this isn't a concern. We don't need the time. We have the transport capability to completely move the largest countries across the globe inside of a year. For example, using air planes alone we could depopulate India inside of two years and move all of them to the US mideast. Adaptation of humans isn't a problem.
The real problem is the stagnant political and social systems we've built up.
Rush Limbaugh said it, so it must be true.