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Mars Rock Supports Cross-Seeding Theory

914 writes "Mars rover Opportunity has found a rock (nicknamed 'Bounce') that "provides conclusive evidence not only of Martian meteorites on Earth, but also of the possibility of cross-seeding." Not only that, but according to the UPI article: 'The discovery of Bounce raises the distinct possibility that life arising from a common source could have existed for a time on both worlds.'"

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  1. Just in case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Analysis: 'Bounce' rock's cosmic portent

    By Phil Berardelli
    United Press International
    Published 4/16/2004 6:07 PM

    WASHINGTON, April 16 (UPI) -- Opportunity's phenomenal luck continues.

    Not only did NASA's rover land smack-dab in the middle of a neatly excavated and navigable crater on Mars, where it promptly uncovered persuasive evidence that water once flowed across the red planet, and not only has it been performing nearly flawlessly since it touched down on Jan. 24. Now, it also, essentially, has stubbed its toe on a rock whose discovery portends cosmic implications.

    A few days ago, on its slow roll across the Martian terrain at its landing site at Meridiani Planum, an iron-oxide-rich area near the planet's equator, Opportunity's controllers noticed an odd-looking, football-shaped rock lying in the red dust. They named the rock "Bounce," because the lander most likely hit it as it bounced along the surface, cushioned by its airbags, before coming to rest inside the little crater called Eagle.

    Controllers considered Bounce an odd find because it did not resemble any of the other rocks in the crater's vicinity -- nor did it resemble anything seen before on Mars, they said.

    So they ordered Opportunity to train its formidable instruments on the rock, including the tool NASA engineers affectionately called the "RAT," for rock abrasion tool, which grinds away surface impurities to expose the undisturbed, primordial composition below.

    The results stunned the NASA team.

    The main ingredient in Bounce is a volcanic mineral called pyroxene, said rover science team member Deanne Rogers, of Arizona State University in Tempe. The high proportion of pyroxene means Bounce not only is unlike any other rock studied by Opportunity or Spirit, but also is unlike the volcanic deposits mapped extensively around Mars by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter, Rogers said.

    Bounce is a unique rock, and it has been sitting at Opportunity's feet.

    "We think we have a rock similar to something found on Earth," said Benton Clark of Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver, a science-team member for the missions of both Opportunity and its twin, Spirit.

    Rather more than that. Bounce's chemical composition exactly matches that of a meteorite that hit the ground in Shergotty, India, on Aug. 25, 1865.

    Called the Shergotty meteorite -- and the source name for a class of meteorites called shergottites -- its chemical composition is a "matching fingerprint" to Bounce, said David Grinspoon, professor of planetary science at the University of Colorado in Boulder.

    The resemblance helps confirm something meteorite specialists and planetary scientists have suspected for more than two decades but until now have been unable to prove: Micro-bubbles of gas trapped in dozens of meteorites found on Earth -- including Shergotty -- match the recipe of Martian atmosphere so closely that they must have originated on Mars.

    "There is a striking similarity in spectra," said Christian Schroeder, a rover science-team collaborator from the University of Mainz in Germany, which supplied both Mars rovers with Moessbauer spectrometers -- exceedingly sensitive instruments for identifying chemical compositions.

    A less-distinctively named shergottite, EETA79001, found in Antarctica in 1979, has a composition even closer to Bounce's.

    As a result, NASA scientists are convinced Shergotty, EETA79001 and Bounce -- and maybe a couple dozen other Martian rocks that found their way to Earth -- were ejected from Mars by the impact of a large asteroid or comet.

    The instruments aboard another orbiter, Mars Odyssey, suggest Bounce may have originated at an impact crater about 16 miles wide that lies about 31 miles southwest of Opportunity. The orbiter's images show some of the rocks thrown outward by the impact that formed the crater flew as far as the distance to the rover.

    "Some of us think (Bounce) could have been ejected from this crater," Roge

  2. Re:Another Possibility, Or Am I Missing the Point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. Bubbles in the meteorites of this type found on Earth contain gas that matches the martian atmosphere, which strongly suggests they orginated on Mars. Then you have this rock already on Mars that matches them in composition suggesting that certain rocks found on both Earth and Mars have a common source.

  3. Re:now the question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe look at two papers - he claims he found a meteorite carrying some weird liveforms in India during some 'Red rain'.

  4. A little ahead of things? by toxic666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There isn't any kind of evidence there ever was life on Mars, yet this article raises the speculation that life from Mars survived a high temp impact, ejection through the harsh radiation and temperatures of space and "cross-polinated" earth?

    This is not supported by any facts and is pure speculation. It doesn't even qualify as junk science.

    The authors should wait until we get some data back from Mars confirming that life was even present there before publishing these kind of claims.

    1. Re:A little ahead of things? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't seem to have been insulation as foam inside a TV camera. While that is indeed sheltered somewhat, it'd be useful to know how dense and thick the foam was. A small peice of light foam isn't going to block a lot of radiation. I've certainly never heard anyone argue that it would do so, although some do claim that the bacteria contaiminated the sample after it arrived back on Earth.

      Either way, while I don't think it proves that the little buggers can survive in space, it's reason to consider the possibility.

  5. Re:now the question is by mehitabel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I heard physicist and astrobiologist Paul Davies give a talk on this subject just yesterday ;) Davies proposes that the lower gravity of Mars makes it more likely for Martian rocks to reach earth, than vice versa, though transit both ways is statistically viable. He also suggests that the faster cooling rate of the Mars crust, the lack of a global ocean, and some of the largest volcanoes in the solar system made Mars a more favorable place for microbial life to form. http://aca.mq.edu.au/Research/research2003.html

  6. Re:What comes around goes around... by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Informative

    As far as I can recall, we only have meteorites from the Moon and Mars. Worse, a Venus sample return mission seems unlikely for the near future...

  7. Re:What comes around goes around... by mopomi · · Score: 3, Informative
    The problem with getting rocks ejected from Venus is that the atmosphere is so dense that the "low velocity" spallation that gets normal, non-shocked rocks from Mars to Earth probably won't work at Venus. That's not to say we couldn't get rocks from Venus, but they'd probably be shocked and we wouldn't recognize them as being from Venus since all the atmospheric gases would have been removed during the impact and subsequent shock. . .

    Shocked rock: A rock in which its particles have been accelerated to higher than the speed of sound (in the rock). This causes an irreversible (high entropy) change in the rock, and possibly causes melting.

  8. Re:What comes around goes around... by another_henry · · Score: 2, Informative
    Or is it more likely for ejected planetary meteorites to make their way down the Sun's gravity well?

    Yes, it's much more likely for meteroites to make it from Mars to Earth than the other way round. Several orders of magnitude more likely. They need much more delta V, although that said a considerable amount is needed just to escape from Mars' gravity well. In other words it is possible but considerably less probable. Whether any microbes would survive an impact of sufficient energy, as well as the long ride through cold vacuum is a different story...

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  9. Back here on earth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    During the early eons of the solar system, planetary impacts were downright common. Given the relative proximity of Earth and Mars, it is easy to accept the possibility that materials propelled upward from one planet eventually could make their way to the other.

    The first organisms on Earth originated around 3.5 billion years ago and maybe earlier. Back then, impacts from asteroids and comets still were common. It is conceivable that material ejected from Earth by those impacts could have landed on Mars carrying some of those organisms -- or their raw ingredients. The converse also is possible -- early organisms from Mars could have landed on Earth.

    Meanwhile, back here on earth, fundamentalists still insist that everythying was created in seven days. :-|

  10. Re:Sensationalism by sandrift · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thank you! This is a very important point.

    Having searched for shergottite meteorite signatures using orbital data from Mars (no luck yet), and being a close colleague of many of the MER science team members, I can confirm that NO ONE on the MER team is suggesting anything about life on Mars or cross-contamination based on this week's (or any other week's) results.

    Although one of the instrument teams (Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer - APXS) is suggesting that Meridiani could be the source region of one class of Martian meteorites, their data (bulk chemistry) cannot actually tell us that. (It's also worth noting that the Meridiani plain is believed to be billions of years older than the rocks in this class of meteorites.) Those who were watching the press conference (the press release ignores this) heard that another instrument, the Mini-TES (Thermal Emission Spectrometer), determined that the mineralogy of Bounce is similar in some ways, but NOT identical, to the shergottite meteorite that the APXS team favors, although it IS different than the majority of the rock types observed from orbit.

  11. Re:Which was first? by christurkel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mars is smaller than Earth and would have cooled first, allowing lakes and seas for form first.

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  12. Re:Hoagland Was Right! Holy S#$!! by GileadGreene · · Score: 3, Informative
    (a) Hoagland is a crackpot. See for example the demolition job that Phil Plait at BadAstronomy.com did on Hoagland's claims

    (b) The Bounce discoveries do not necessarily support the conclusion that life orginated on Mars and came to Earth. All they do is further support the notion that some of the meterorites striking Earth have a Martian origin. Whether or not those meteorites carried biological payloads is a whole different question.

  13. Re:Which was first? by NortWind · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "recipe" for meteorite identification usually includes the ratio of oxygen isotopes. This ratio varies as you head away from the Sun. So, if you can identify the ratio, you can match pebble A to pebble B (or planet B) fairly well.

  14. Re:Which was first? by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I know little about chemistry and I would like some clarification by someone who might know.

    It seems to me like people are jumping to conclusions here. Isn't it possible that some other source, source C, was where these meteorites originated and then later collided with both earth and Mars?

    Yes, it certainly is possible. However it is unlikely. The sort of analysis that goes into determining the source of origin of a rock is fairly accurate. There are a number of factors which are taken into account which, when combined, form a fairly unique "fingerprint" as to the origin of a piece of rock.

    First of all, there is the relative amounts of elements. Mars has a different elemental mix than the Earth due to its distance from the Sun, its mass, the loss of atmosphere and water, among many other factors. Then there is the different proportions of isotopes of each element. Earth, partially due to the shielding afforded by its atmosphere and its magnetic field, has a different mix of isotopes of each element. Remember that each element often has 2 or 3 common isotopes, this significantly contributes to the complexity of the fingerprint.

    Then there are differences in rock formation between Mars and the Earth. Rocks formed on Mars have gone through a different history of sedimentation, melting, crystallization, weathering, etc. than those formed on Earth. This results in not only different minerals being formed but also the patterns of how these minerals mix and the relative proportions that one mineral may be found in a mixture with others.

    I'm probably missing a few other factors but you get the idea. Remember that the process of identifying rocks is not only used to tell if a rock is from Mars or the Earth but it is also accurate enough to possibly be used to tell if a rock is from near Moscow or from near Los Angeles. Scientists can get a fairly good idea of where on the Earth a diamond or a piece of uranium originated simply by using some of these techniques. Analysis of the isotope ratios alone is a strong indicator.
  15. Re:Which was first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    However, the one import thing that can mess with relative isotope concentrations is life itself.

    Since I'm a plant biologist i give to examples:
    Rubisco, an important enzyme for fotosynthesis, has a preference for lighter isotopes, thus it will carboxylate C-12 in preference to C-13 (and 14).

    Heavy Oxygen (what we were discussing) isotopes transpire more slowly from a plant leaf than light oxygen isotopes. Changing the ratio of oxygen isotopes in organic tissues.

    Now, I'm not saying you cannot use the gas in air bubbles to see where the rocks come from, I have no idea how much effect these processes have on the isotope ratios in the atmosphere. But you have to keep in might that if they came from a planet infested with life, it may have a slightly different isotope concentration that expected.

  16. Re:Which was first? by mbone · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Viking Landers carried, during their descent, mass spectrometers which sampled the Martian atmosphere on the way down. These provided our only measurements of Martian atmosphere isotope ratios to date.

    It turns out that isotope ratios tell you a lot about the history of an atmosphere, as different isotopes get lost at different rates by different mechanisms.

    The gas isotope ratios in these meteorites are unique to Mars, as measured by Viking. There are many other indications (most meteorites can be traced back to specific asteroid "families", these cannot, etc.), but it was the gas isotope ratios that were convincing.

    I saw a debate about this in Paris back in 1985. The "non-Martian" advocate finally had to concede that these meteorites had to come from a planet very much like Mars in its size and history, and distance from the Sun, and were too new to come from any disrupted planet, so basically the only possible source was Mars.

  17. Re:Which was first? by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well the fossil record preserves much of earth history pre-humans, but the fact remains that humans, in our present iteration, haven't been around very long relative to the age of the planet. The human race surely hasn't been around "millions of years". At best we've been here as Homo Sapiens Sapiens for around 130,000 years. Anything that predates what we've found to be historical evidence of past civilizations is usually fiction.

  18. Maybe off topic but UPI... by fingerfucker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why are you citing sources such as UPI when posting in Slashdot? I find it hard to believe that sources other than UPI didn't cover the topics covered in UPI's article.

    UPI's integrity as a news covering agency has disintegrated years ago and noone buys news from them any more. Just because robots like Google go fetch their articles doesn't mean they are any good.

    UPI's integrity and news covering reliability has diminished to zero when a cult bought it, which dates back as long as 2000 which was followed by Helen Thomas leavingleaving in protest (UPI's leading reporter for over 20 years).