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'Einstein Probe' Delayed

isorox writes "The BBC is reporting that a NASA satellite designed to test frame dragging, predicted by the theory of relativity, has been delayed for 24 hours because mission control couldn't verify the correct software had been loaded. The probe was proposed 35 years ago, but has never had the funding until now. The question remains is what happens if Frame Dragging isn't observed - will the experiment be wrong (in other words there's no point to it), or will we get faster-than-light ships for Christmas?"

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  3. It's already been observed. by Phanatic1a · · Score: 5, Informative

    The question remains is what happens if Frame Dragging isn't observed.

    Then they'd better figure out if their experiment was badly designed, because frame dragging has already been observed by other research platforms.

    NASA's Rossi X-Ray Timing Explorer observed frame dragging in a distant system consisting of a binary pair of black holes. This was back in 1997.

    Analysis of the motion of two earth-orbiting satellites, LAGEOS I and LAGEOS II, also reveals frame dragging going on. This was also over 4 years ago, and it's the result that this Einstein probe is supposed to refine.

  4. The real reason for the launch delay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Disclaimer - I worked on the Gravity Probe B (GPB) team back in 1994-1995 while I was an undergraduate at Stanford. Due to personal interest, I watched the launch attempt on NASA TV.

    While technically correct, the post's claim that the lauch was delayed "because mission control couldn't verify the correct software had been loaded" doesn't convey the whole picture of what happened.

    Well prior to T minus 4 minutes, three weather balloons had reported excessive (out of limits) high altitude wind shear. This wind shear would have caused the launch to be delayed for 24 hours.

    However, shortly after T minus 4 minutes, a fourth weather balloon reported that windshear had dropped to within acceptable limits. At this time, the flight profile of the delta II rocket needed to be updated to successfully guide the rocket through the high altitude wind shear and in to GPB's desired orbit.

    The launch window for GPB is very narrow - about one second. This is because GPB needs to be in a polar orbit in the plane of a particular guide star.

    A launch director from Boeing (Boeing made the delta II rocket) could not confirm that the flight profile had been successfully updated. So, with the clock counting down, he made the decision to "hold" the launch. Upon review, all the launch directors agreed that this was the correct decision.

    So, you have a situation where, under time pressure, about 300 seconds before launch, due to changing launch conditions and unverifyable equipment status, a conservative and correct decision was made to delay the lanch 24 hours - until the next one second long launch window.

    The other thing to consider is that the closer you get to launch, the more costly and complicated it is to abort the launch. So even though confirmation of a successful profile upload may have come later, if it hadn't, the costs of scrubbing the launch would be higher.

    While it may be fun to bash NASA, just remember that it really is rocket science, at least in this case.

  5. Re:Faster than light ships? by gilrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    He still cannot accelerate to or past the speed of light. If he were enclosed in a box traveling at a constant velocity => lightspeed, then yes everything would appear normal to him, and it's only the stationary observer who would notice anything odd. However, assume that same box is ACCELERATING to lightspeed, and suddenly the man in the box is exposed to all of the effects that entails. Namely, mass going to infinity, and energy required to continue acceleration going to infinity.

    Let me dig up a reference...

    The Elegant Universe, by Brian Greene, PhD (from Oxford)

    Page 52

    "You may have wondered, for instance, why6 we can't take some object, a muon say, that an accelerator has boosted up to 667 million miles per hour -- 99.5 percent of light speed -- and "push it a bit harder," getting it to 99.9 percent of light speed, and then "really push it harder" impelling it to cross the light speed barrier. Einstein's formula explains why such efforts will never succeed. The faster something moves the more energy it has and from Einstein's formula we see that the more energy something has the more massive it becomes. Muons traveling at 99.9 percent of light speed, for example, weigh a lot more than their stationary cousins. In fact, they are about 22 times as heavy -- literally. .... But the more massive an object is, the harder it is to increase its speed. .... Since a the mass of a muon increases without limit as its speed approaches that of light, it would require a push with an infinite amount of energy to reach or to cross the light barrier. This, of course, is impossible and hence absolutely nothing can travel faster than the speed of light."

  6. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by Mercenary_56 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They can't afford to launch a satellite only to discover there was a bug in the software and have it be worthless

    If you look at Gravity Probe B's Site you will find that the software that they are referring to has nothing to do with the probe itself but rather there was insufficient time to confirm that the Delta II rocket had the correct wind profile loaded for the data from the final weather balloon.

    They wanted to make sure that the rocket had the data from the last weather balloon and there wasn't enough time to make sure.

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