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Beyond Megapixels

TheTechLounge points to this "first of a three-part series of editorial articles examining current digital photography hardware, as well as the author's views of what is to come." It boils down to the excellent point that pixel count alone is not the way to evaluate digital camera capabilities.

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  1. Why were MP ever such a big deal? by grahamsz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most people didn't care about resolution in the analog world. The fact that many people considered APS cameras to be better than 35mm is simple proof of this.

    This seems analogous to consumer computer makers moving away from advertising GHz and MB.

    It's what you (can) do with it that counts.

    1. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by mgscheue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that there's much more to it than megapixels. Excellent images can be produced with the 4 MP Nikon D2h, for example. That said, I still prefer film to digital. And I can't think of anyone who prefers APS to 35 mm. People certainly do care about resolution in the analog world. It's why people use medium and large format cameras.

    2. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by Morgahastu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because APS was as good for small as prints as 35mm was.

      Some digital camera still don't product pictures that look as good as 3x5 film prints, so they are still chasing higher megapixels for that perfect image quality that they desire.

      And with APS or 35mm, people didn't have the capability to crop and enlarge from the comfort of their own home, now resolution matters to them if it means being apple to crop grand ma out of a wide shot and print out a perfect looking picture at home.

    3. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by tzanger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a Canon PowerShot A60 -- I chose it over other brands because I really like how my Canon Rebel EOS works and the A60 is very similar. 2.2MP isn't a hell of a lot, but it's enough to get 5x7 prints and have a chance in hell of it looking close to what I can get with a regular camera.

      I completely disagree with your statement that digital cameras aren't used for prints -- I take a bazillion pictures, throw them up in 720x480 for the web for grandma and grandpa and then they tell me specifically which pictures they'd like prints of. I take the original 2.2MP JPEGs and give them to my film guy -- he touches them up and makes real 4x6 or 5x7 prints for me. They look fantastic and everyone's happy.

      True, the bulk of my pictures stay in 720x480 but it's really nice to be able to get a 5x7 out of it should I want it. The amount of time I want 8x10s is next to nil; I go to the same photographer and get really good digital pictures taken in that case. (He's all but completely moved to a full digital studio.)

    4. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by dokebi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup. I remember when I was at CompUSA once and some stupid guy was buying a computer. He was interested in only a few things. Will I be able to burn cds with this? Can I do e-mail? Can I plug my camera into it? etc. You just need enough power to be able to get the functionality you desire. Excess power is money wasted.

      How was this guy stupid? He knew what he wanted to do with a PC and wanted the salesman to recommend a basic system for his tasks. Sounds like an average consumer with reasonable expectations. He seems much smarter than some guy who wants a 4GigaHurts machine with 2 GigaBites of RAM and 200 Gig hard drive so he can "surf the web faster" on his dialup and "print photos faster" on his ink jet.

      Going back to cameras, 4 megapixels are good enough for most people to replace their 35mm cameras. Since 4MP cameras are still expensive, there is the perception more is better. But soon 4MP cameras will be $100, and people will realize 12MP cameras are not worth their dollars for what they use. Just give it some time.

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    5. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by jrumney · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Some digital camera still don't product pictures that look as good as 3x5 film prints, so they are still chasing higher megapixels for that perfect image quality that they desire.

      .... and print out a perfect looking picture at home.

      I think that demonstrates the problem here perfectly. People are chasing bigger MP, not because 2 or 3 MP wasn't sufficient to give decent looking snapshots, but because they are trying to print those snapshots at home and then comparing them to professionally printed photos from film.

      Send your photos off to a professional company, and pay them 20c per photo to print them on their $10,000+ professional laser printer instead of pissing about with your $100 inkjet that is probably costing you more than 20c per picture in overpriced ink cartridges anyway. Then you will see that even 2MP gives at least as good results as a compact film camera, and 3MP with a decent lens probably comes close to a 35mm SLR.

    6. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by ForestGrump · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heh, when I was taking calsses at a CC, I met a guy who worked as a photo tech at a drug store.
      He told me that APS was just crap...and to avoid it like the plague.

      He also said there was some thru the mail company, seattle film, or something like that. they would send people film, you send the film to them for processing. The quality on the film sucked because it was some different technology, and that you were locked into their scheme because you couldn't get it developed anywhere else..

      Grump

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    7. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by Veteran · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The HP 7960 8 ink printer produces prints which are superior to photographic enlarger prints. Having done extensive darkroom work I think that scanned film with a 7960 is currently the way to go (up to 8.5 x 11 inch prints that is.) Are the inks expensive? Yes, is the paper expensive? Yes. Are the results superb? Yes.

      Why do I do my own printing? A $10,000 printer at a camera store is only as good as the person operating it. If I screw up my prints I have only myself to blame. For serious work I want at least a 6x6 cm negative, which is about equal to 64 megapixels.

      For snapshots of people - which are never going to be enlarged bigger than 5" x 7" I suggest an inexpensive Argus D450 35 mm point and shoot with an aspheric plastic zoom lens, built in automatic flash, motor drive and a 10 year warranty. The camera, which came with 2 batteries, and a roll of Kodak 400 speed color film sold for $17.53 (including tax) at the local Wallmart. For this type of photography I don't know of a digital camera which can come close to it for the money.

      Do I own digital cameras? Yes, but I don't think they are quite ready for primetime yet.

    8. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by yulek · · Score: 5, Informative

      He also said there was some thru the mail company, seattle film, or something like that. they would send people film, you send the film to them for processing. The quality on the film sucked because it was some different technology, and that you were locked into their scheme because you couldn't get it developed anywhere else..

      yep. they basically sold 35mm movie film in 24 frame strips. movie film doesn't have the same high quality requirements as still photography film because any problem in a frame is corrected 1/24th of a second later.

      movie film is therefore much much cheaper per frame than good photographic film. so they were making out like bandits when they hooked someone. and because it doesn't use e-6/c-41 chemicals you had to get it developed either at a motion film lab (not likely) or with them.

      btw, movie film also has a really short shelf life unless kept in special volts at exact temperatures. this is true even AFTER the film is developed!

      seattle filmworks was one a very nasty scam for several decades. a few years ago they finally switched to (really crappy) c-41 film.

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    9. Re:Why were MP ever such a big deal? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I was a kid (10 yrs old, as opposed to 20), my dad had me use that companies film in my cheap 35mm camera on our annual shopping trip to Marshall Fields in Chicago. The reason?

      If you ordered it, they'd send you back a bootable floppy disk that would run a slide show of your pictures. Something not many people did back in 1994.

  2. It always... by soul_cmd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    comes down to the lens. No matter how many billions of pixels you fit behind it, the lens is going to determine the first determining factor of the photo quality. It's certainly not the last (thus we move to 3 CCD systems etc. for better color reproduction) but the lens.. is always going to be the biggest factor.

    1. Re:It always... by fearlessfreddy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it is important to match the quality of the lens to the resolution of the CCD. Too fine a lens will cause aliasing artifacts. This can be understood by the Nyquist Theorem.

      Once an aliased image is captured by the CCD, no amount of image processing can remove the artifacts. That is why high end digital cameras like the Nikon D1 contain an optical low-pass filter between the lens and the CCD that purposefully degrades the quality of the lens assembly.

    2. Re:It always... by sql*kitten · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article seems to be making the argument that a smaller format sensor won't be as sensitive as a larger sensor, but I'm not sure I buy this.

      A smaller sensor is more noisy and more prone to chromatic abberation. Which is why my old EOS D30 with a large 3MP CMOS sensor produces better pictures than Sony's F828, which crams 8MP onto a tiny CCD. 3MP prints great up to 9x6" and is uable at 12x8". It's difficult to get a good print off a CCD camera above 7x5". Larger images don't need to be distorted as much by the lens to be focussed down onto a larger sensor, and that matters. More photons per unit area matters for faithful colour reproduction.

      But like another poster said, most of these images are destined to be viewed only on screen, so most of the resolution is wasted. About the only thing it's useful for is giving the freedom to crop.

    3. Re:It always... by wildsurf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Too fine a lens will cause aliasing artifacts. This can be understood by the Nyquist Theorem.

      This depends on the shape of the CCD active areas that are used to capture photons. In the "worst case" where the receptors are essentially discrete points on a grid, an optical blur is needed so photons that would otherwise land in between the sensors have a chance to be captured. In practice, I would guess that the sensors cover about 50% of the usable area, so the remaining 50% must be made up with low-pass filtering to avoid aliasing. (Think of filming headlights; if they're in focus they'll be two discrete points of light, but as you defocus the lights will expand until they overlap.)

      A similar problem also comes up in motion video; the aperture is typically open 75% of the time, then closed 25% while the film advances. This results in motion aliasing such as helicopter blades and wagon wheels spinning backwards, etc. Digital video may be able to substantially reduce this problem, but ironically most people have grown accustomed to it, to the point where non-aliased video simply doesn't "look right."

      The Foveon approach is a step in the right direction for image capture, since the Bayer interpolation from most other cameras is prone to all sorts of artifacts. Perhaps a camera could be built that would expose the same CCD array through red, green and blue filters in sequence, then apply software to compensate for slight motion between frames.

      Similarly, imagine a camera that would expose the CCD for 1/10,000 of a second, then 1/1000, then 1/100, then 1/10, and combine the resulting frames into a single high-dynamic-range image. When the sun is millions of times brighter than the shadows, [0..255] simply isn't going to do justice.

      In my opionion, the next few years of digital photography is going to be mighty interesting.

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  3. Tell that to the average person... by MacFury · · Score: 5, Funny
    I work in retail and occasionally sell digital cameras. People come in talking about how bad they want an 8 megapixel camera. When I ask them why they want 8 megapixels they respond usually, "because it's better than 5 megapixels" the they proceed to tell me it's going to make their 4x6 prints really nice...

    I hate people

  4. For me, its the optical zoom ability by dexterpexter · · Score: 5, Informative

    The biggest determining factor to me in buying a good digital camera is the optical zoom. With so much focus put on the number of megapixels and digital zoom (which, in my opinion, is better done in Photoshop anyways), the optical zoom is too often forgotten and hard to find in most "affordable" digital cameras. Without the optical zoom, one is limited to the same twelve-foot-away pictures that is great for people who only want to take pictures of friends and family standing in front of things, but is really useless if you want to get a good close up.

    For example, this picture I took with my decent megapixel digital camera, my first time using it was a terrible disappointment because it was a great shot ruined just based on my not having the proper optical zoom capabilities.
    (And my mistake in buying a camera that I thought would be top of the line, and stupidly didn't notice the difference between digital and optical zoom, this being my first move off of traditional cameras.)

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    1. Re:For me, its the optical zoom ability by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      unfortunately, i haven't seen many (if any) cameras with an optical zoom capability higher than 3X.

      Anything longer than 3x optical zoom requires some optical tirickery, which results in a) higher price if done right or b) lower quality if it's done cheaply. And beyond that, the more glass = slower lens f-stop, means more need to use flash (and shorter flash when you do) or it means having to use a higher IS) equivalent, which means more noise on your pictures (think gain-up).

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    2. Re:For me, its the optical zoom ability by efatapo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Slashdot isn't a photography website, but I'll respond to this anyways. Optical zoom wouldn't have helped you much here. As others have responded, it probably would have hurt more than anything.

      The shutter was open for 1/8 second. Usually the most stable hands can only hold a camera still for 1/focal length. ie, for a standard camera you shouldn't shoot any slower than 1/30 of a second.

      Having a longer focal length would have exacerbated the problem. What you need here is a greater light sensitivity (higher ISO). A higher ISO would have allowed you to shoot with a faster shutter speed.

      I would suggest reading up a bit at www.dpreview.com or www.steves-digicams.com before buying a new camera.

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  5. 1 mp camera on Spirit by isny · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out this link. It details a bit on how the spirit rover only has a 1 megapixel camera on board, yet delivers IMAX quality images.
    From the article: "NASA's Spirit Rover is providing a lesson to aspiring digital photographers: Spend your money on the lens, not the pixels. Anyone who has ever agonized over whether to buy a 3-megapixel or 4-megapixel digital camera might be surprised to learn that Spirit's stunningly detailed images of Mars are made with a 1-megapixel model, a palm-sized 9-ounce marvel that would be coveted in any geek's shirt pocket. Spirit's images are IMAX quality, mission managers say. "

  6. Re:The Megapixel illusion by Morgahastu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not just for large prints, it's for creative freedom.

    With a high megapixel camera I can take a picture of a statue from far away, get home and crap 3/4 of the picture out and still be left with a picture that's high quality enough for a print.

    I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's good (not great) for 3x5 prints but I am not able to crop any of my picture or the quality loss is evident in prints.

  7. Sigma SD10 by tantalus · · Score: 5, Informative

    The camera sitting at the extreme of the low megapixel, high quality spectrum is the Sigma SD10, which is the only camera to use Foveon's x3 sensors to capture three colors per pixel. This results in a very high quality image, even though the total pixel output is ~3.4 megapixels. I would like to see some of the other major players put out cameras with Foveon's tech. With competition, we might see further refinement of the design.

    Here's a comprehensive review of Sigma's camera.

  8. Pixel count is less 3rd on my list... at best by BitWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having just purchased the new Nikon D70 digital SLR camera I can say that pixel count is definitely not what you should look at. At 6.1 megapixels, the D70 is relatively high but some of my friends derided me for not getting an 8 megapixel non-changeable lens camera. Trying to explain to them the benefit of having a real SLR body, the ablity to change lenses, manually adjust all settings etc. is a lost cause. Many people don't understand that although I spent twice as much for less resolution I can do things with this camera that they could never dream of with a traditional digital camera, regardless of resolution. Light sensitivity, signal to noise and optics all rank above resolution in my book. The ability to manually adjust all settings is right up there too.

    Of course if you're just taking snapshots to send to grandma then forget everything I've just said :-)

  9. As an ex-commercial photographer by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Let me just add "Hell-freaking-yeah" to what that article says. My poor old 6 megapixel Phase One back would be sneered upon by all the MegaPixel Nazis. The fact that it kicked out an 18mb TIF and used Hasseblad glass is lost on them.

    One thing I hope future articles touch on is ergonomics. Unlike SLR's, which have had the same basic layout since the Exaktaflex, digital cameras are a hodgepodge of knobs, buttons and dials, laid out (apparently) at random at times. And the difference in features between cameras of the same pixel size can be stunning.

    When people as me what's the best camera out there, I usually tell them find one that they find first easy to use, is a camera-brand (better glass), and has a decent image size. No amount of features will make up for a missed photo due to fumbling with a camera, and what's important to me (manual controls, accessory shoe, RAW/TIF, etc) may not be important to them.
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    1. Re:As an ex-commercial photographer by mozumder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agree that ergonomics should be prioritized. It's amazing how many useless "features" the camera makers are adding to jack up their marketing feature list at the expense of usability. There are just WAY too many options. They could get rid of almost all the buttons on a Digital camera for even the pros. I really wish they would simply cut out switches and menu options and make it so that you DON'T need a manual to operate it. My favorite camera is still a fully-manual 35mm Nikon FM2. Either that or an 8x10.

      Things I wish manufacturers did:

      1. Store data in RAW format. (Thanks to Sigma for pushing this.) This get rid of the useless "low/medium/high quality" switch on the camera. There goes one pointless switch.

      2. Store all data at the highest resolution. Get rid of the "small/medium/large" switch. If I needed to store more pictures on my card, I would have bought a higher-capacity CF drive. I can get 4GB models now. That should be enough to store hundreds of pics. Another pointless switch, gone...

      3. Get rid of in-camera white-balance setting, and do this on the computer or laptop or even palmtop to simplify the camera and force the complexity outside. (Again, thanks to Sigma) This can be done on the computer if needed with the RAW file. Most amateur users have NO idea what the hell white-balance means anyways. A third pointless switch gone..

      4. Get rid of the Priority switches- Aperture, Shutter, Etc.. Instead, allow the user to adjust the Aperture & Shutter on a lens ring. The ring can also have a setting for Auto. This can also be done for focusing with a Focusing ring. There- 3 buttons eliminated just like that.

      5. Get rid of on-camera flashes settings (Keep the wimpy on-camera flash if you must, but leave it on Auto always, and auto-disable when external flash is connected) Pro photographers would have an external flash anyways, and any flash settings can be made on that. Another switch, gone...

      There's so many useless switches on a modern Digital SLR that can be completely thrown away and still provide all the functionality anyone would want.

      Some people may want all these useless features.. for them the camera vendors can have their own special overfeatured model. I would rather have one that's simple and obvious... The first Digital SLR vendor that comes out with a Camera that DOESN'T include an INSTRUCTION MANUAL, I'm buying.

  10. Re:The Megapixel illusion by lorian69 · · Score: 5, Funny
    With a high megapixel camera I can take a picture of a statue from far away, get home and crap 3/4 of the picture out and still be left with a picture that's high quality enough for a print.
    I believe you'll find that images retain their quality much more effectively when they're not ingested.
  11. Obvious by ajs318 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most important part of any camera is the lens. There are two main problems with lenses. Chromatic aberration causes colour fringing due to the focal length of the lens being different at different wavelengths. It can be corrected by using compound lenses {one positively-dispersing lens and one negatively-dispersing lens} or low-dispersivity materials. Spherical aberration causes distortion of the image due to the lens surface not being perfectly spherical, and thus the focal length varying over the surface. It can only be corrected by grinding lenses well.

    A bad lens will produce a bad image regardless of the image sensor. Sometimes an image sensor will not have enough resolution to detect the distortion due to chromatic and spherical aberrations. But when the same manufacturer slaps a new sensor on last year's lens, the new sensor can pick up better on the aberration and the pictures end up looking lousy.

    Another feature to bear in mind is hardware {optical} zoom. Don't buy a camera without it and don't reject a camera for not having software {digital} zoom -- your favourite graphics editor can do this for you.


    Cheap image sensors are invariably noisy. Big pixels can hold more initial charge, therefore can accept more light in the course of an exposure. The sensor will only be saturated in really bright light, and the amount of charge remaining on the pixel {which is a measure of how much light didn't hit it} can be measured more accurately: one "unit" on the ubiquitous 0-255 scale represents many electrons. But more silicon costs more money. Small pixels don't have the same capacitance, so can't accept as much light before becoming saturated -- you have to run a shorter exposure. And the number of electrons per ADC count is smaller. The net result of having a higher density in the image sensor is that even in bright light, the resulting pictures will look a little bit as though they were taken in poor light. Of course, you can remove the noise by downsampling, but then you lose the benefit of the higher-res sensor.


    And what's with the confusing term "digital SLR" ? As far as I can see, all digital cameras with LCD viewfinders are by definition SLRs, since the same lens is used for viewing and taking the picture.

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  12. Why digital camera? by russianspy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not shoot in film and use a film scanner? I've got a 30 year old (Minolta X-700) camera that has been with me through a lot. The thing will not die and just keeps on going. I just have to change the battery once a year or so. I usually develop my photos at a grocery store. Ask to have it developed and cut only - no prints. It costs me 1.25 per roll and I have it in about 20 minutes. Later I scan them in myself, get 11 Megapixel images with 48 bit color, scanned 8 times to minimize noise. (They're about 62 Meg TIFF images) that I can print with up to 13x19 on my Epson 2000P printer. The best part is, in 5 years I'll buy the newest and greatest film scanner and I have the option to re-scan the images at 20 Megapixels or whatever. That's my solution at least. By the way, the scanner was only 500CAD ;-)

  13. Re:But MP matters for size! by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, first of all, the camera manufacturers lie about pixel counts. They count R, G, and B as separate pixels. Worse, since they usually use a Bayes layout, sensor cells are grouped in groups of four, with one red, two green, and one blue pixel. So divide by four.

    Foveon cameras have one three-color sensor per pixel, but for PR purposes, they, too, count R, G, and B as separate pixels. For example, the Sigma SD-10 mentioned in the article has an imager 2268 x 1512 pixels, but is listed as a "10.8 megapixel" camera. For Foveon units, divide by 3.

    Foveon cameras, since the R, G, and B sensors are at the same place, don't generate color artifacts at black/white boundaries. This eliminates one of the main effects that makes "digital" look worse than film. Of course, if you compress to JPEG, you get color artifacts anyway, but that's a JPEG problem, not an imager problem.

  14. Re:Snap by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of the digital SLRs (i.e. Canon D30/D60/10D/1D/1Ds/300D, Nikon D1X/D1H/D2H/D100/D70, Fuji S1/S2/S3, Olympus E-1/E-10/E-20, Sigma SD-9/SD-10, Pentax *istD, Kodak DCS-14N) will essentially let you click and take photos as fast as you can, zero delay, not feeling any different from an SLR film camera at all.

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  15. larger sensor = better S/N by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article seems to be making the argument that a smaller format sensor won't be as sensitive as a larger sensor, but I'm not sure I buy this.

    Well, it's fact. The larger the surface area of each cell, the better signal to noise ratio you will get. CMOS yields better quality than CCD, as well- although the margin has dropped as CCD sensors and the electronics behind them have improved faster(due to everyone and their grandmother working with CCDR sensors) than CMOS.

    This phenomenon can be seen clearly in both the non-CMOS 14 megapixel Kodak 14n, or the Sony F828, which has a VERY tiny 8 megapixel CCD sensor. Both are horrendously noisy at their lowest ISO settings.

    My Canon 10D has better noise characteristics at about 400 ISO than my Canon G1 had at 50 ISO, and 400 is about the limit I feel is appropriate for an 8x10. For images resized to 800x600 for, say, large images linked off a website, ISO 800 or 1600 still yields pretty decent images. The example he gives of buckets of water is flawed, since falling rain isn't *focused* like light is. Light entering a lens is just being focused on a smaller area. Sure the area is smaller, but it's also brighter.

    Light is focused, but it's also made up of particles. Further, the smaller the sensor, the smaller the lens. The smaller the lens, the less light is gathered.

    Smaller sensors also require much more precise optics and focusing systems(or smaller apertures, limiting light input even further). Tiny sensors are also very prone to flare.

    1. Re:larger sensor = better S/N by KoshClassic · · Score: 4, Informative
      A smaller sensor does mean a smaller lens (everything else being equal).

      A lens designed for a 35mm film camera will project a focused image onto the film plane. The image will be circular. The rectangle of the 35mm film frame that you are exposing will barely fit within the circle (i.e. the corners of the film frame will just be touching the edge of the circle).

      On a dSLR, like the Nikon D70 (referenced in the article), the sensor is smaller than the film frame of the 35 mm camera, and as a result the sensor fits more easily into the boundaries of the image circle formed by the lens.

      Because of this, the effective field of view changes. The area of the D70's sensor is roughly 2/3 that of a 35mm film frame. As a result, the D70's "crop factor", or its "focal length multiplier", is around 1.5x. Attach a 50mm lens to the D70 and the field of view captured by its sensor will be roughly equal to that which a 35mm camera would capture using a 75mm lens, because the D70 is only capturing a smaller area of the image.

      Clearly, there is less light hitting the D70's sensor with the same lens / same aperature as compared to a 35mm film frame. However, the density of the light falling on the D70's sensor with the same lens at the same aperature is exactly the same as the light falling on the film in a 35mm camera. The difference is that the D70's sensor is gathering less of the lens's total image. Take a shot at f2.8 on the D70 set to ISO 200, and you should get the same exposure as the same shot at f2.8 on the 35mm camera with ISO 200 film, since the density of the light striking the sensor / film is the same in both cases.

      What is most interesting is that lenses tend to produce more distortion toward the boundary of the image circle (i.e., at the corners of a 35mm photo). On the D70, using a normal 35mm lense, the image is captured from the center of the image circle, resulting in less distortion from the lens.

      At the same time, Nikon has produced lenses specifically designed for the D70's sensor size. These lenses are smaller than the equivelant lens for a 35mm camera. The reason? These lenses only need to produce a smaller image circle than a 35mm lens, one that barely encompasses the sensor size of the D70 (and would not fully encompass the 35mm film frame). They are only capturing the light necessary to create an image circle of that size. Therefore, the outer edges of the lens elements that would be needed if the lens were made for a 35mm camera can be discarded, resulting in a smaller, lighter lens.

      Larger photo sites do require more light than a smaller photo site to achieve the same exposure. But again, it is the density of the light that evens the playing field. A photoreceptor site of 4 nm^2 will gather 4 times the light of a 1 nm^2 photoreceptor site. Suppose a maximum of 250,000 photons are collected by the 1 nm^2 photoreceptor, and the 4 nm^2 site collects a maximum 1,000,000. Now, suppose with current technology I can accurately count the number of photons collected by a photoreceptor to within +/- 1000. Obviously, 1000 is a larger percentage of the 1 nm^2 photoreceptor's 250,000 capacity than it is for the 4 nm^2 receptor's 1,000,000 capacity - hence the 4 nm^2 receptor's accuracy is much greater than the 1 nm^2's.

      In any case, don't take my word for this, I'm not a rocket scientist or anything. But these guys are.

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  16. Five facts from a professional photographer by Siegecube · · Score: 5, Informative
    OK, some basics about (digital) photography from a working professional photographer (not advanced amateur, not EX-professional, not wannabe professional, but a real-life I-pay-all-my-bills-by-taking-pictures professional)

    1. Image quality will be determined by the combination of how many pixels you capture (megapixel count/resolution) and the size of those pixels (sensor size/photosite size), with the weight of the influence going to the photosite size. Thus, resolution being equal between two cameras, the camera with the larger sensor size will give you higher quality captures.

    2. Garbage In, Garbage Out applies to cameras too. This should be obvious. Make sure your lens is able to capture all the data you want to feed to your sensor. If you have a full-frame, 24x36mm 11mp Canon 1Ds (the current professional favorite, myself included), you are wasting it's resolution by putting a cheap lens on it. I've noticed, in fact, that even the highest-quality lenses tend to be unable to deliver enough detail to this stunning sensor, so a cheapo lens is going to f*ck you.

    3. For professional use, film is now dead. Game over. I've done the head-to-head comparisons. I own medium and large-format cameras. I own a high-end drumscanner. I own a large-format printer. I've compared the quality from my previous breadwinning equipment (medium format film scanned by drumscanner) to my current breadwinning equipment (full-frame digital Canon 1Ds) and the digital kicks film ass. That's why it's my current breadwinner.

    Seriously, I had 4x6 foot prints made (notice I said FEET, not INCHES) from drum-scanned 6x7cm transparencies, and from 11mp Canon 1Ds captures, and my own lab couldn't tell the difference. Bye-bye film. And the $10,000 price tag was paid for in film/processing savings before I even got the credit card bill. (for more about how cost affects quality, see below, #5)

    4. The best camera for you is all about what you intend to do with it. A camera is just a tool. Pick the right one for the job. Because of this, most professionals have, on average, more than 3 different camera systems. So, decide what you want the camera for, and the rest of the decisions about it's suitability get easy.

    The most important factor is usually not sheer resolution and image quality. It's about usability of design and ease of handling. If it were all about resolution then most photographers would be using 8x10-inch view cameras. But we realize that a stunning, mega-high-resolution image is useless if the important moment we wanted to capture was missed due to slow camera operation.

    That's why most pros use medium format or 35mm, and most ams use point'n'shoots.

    So, pick a camera that feels good, is understandable to operate, and doesn't get in your way. After these criteria are satisfied THEN you look at resolution/sensor size.

    5. The single most important equation for making better photographs is (forethought x volume of action). In other words, think about what you want to achieve with your images, then shoot as much as you can, and hone your results. This is really where digital capture shifts paradigms. Once you go digital, ANY digital, your visual experiments cost you nothing.

    With film, every time you want to try something new, you are still paying for film and processing (even if you own your own darkroom). This means, effectively, that film and processing are an economic tax on your creative growth.

    So, as long as you stay focused on what you want to achieve (rather then just shooting because you can), buying ANY decent digital camera will yield you better results then sticking with film, and it's use tax.

    Class dismissed.

  17. Cool flower shots by m.dillon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Every time someone posts something about Digital Cameras on SlashDot I usually have enough photos built up to show something new off. So here you go!

    Flower shots from my folks Garden

    All of these pictures were taken with my Canon-EOS10D, 420EX flash (used mainly for shadow fill), and Sigma 20mm 1:1.8 EX DG prime lens. The shots were taken hand-held in AP mode using F4.0-F16 depending on the conditions. This particular lens produces ultra sharp results at F4.0-F13 or so. The 10D (and 300D) use a 6 MPix low-noise CMOS sensor and you can see it in the above shots.

    Insofar as all the discussion goes, from my point of view it all comes down to three things: Lens Quality, Sensor Quality, and Dynamic Range (of the exposure). SLR's like the 10D have gotten good enough that I don't use film any more. The lens quality is there (being an SLR and taking the same lens as the film EOS's), sensor quality is there, and while dynamic range still needs another 2-4 bits of resolution for my comfort it's still good enough for 99% of the shots I take. Film is dead, digital rendition at 11!

    And I tend to agree with the few other obviously experienced comments (verses the bozo comments from people that don't know jack about taking photographs). You first need to know how to take a picture before you can take a good one. Then comes lens and sensor noise. A lens hood is important, and a good flash (articulated for bounce shots and also be sure to have a diffusor handy) is very important (even when you don't think you need it). For example, most of those flower shots I took were with flash+diffusor, even though it was a bright sunny day outside. The flash was used primarily to fill in some of the shadow (one way to correct for limited dynamic range but it also makes the shots look a lot better).

    -Matt

  18. Re:Professional Printers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to get too picky here, but the latest Noritsus and Fuju Frontiers are laser printers. Instead of exposing a selenium drum with an IR laser, they expose the photographic emulsion with red, green, and blue lasers. Some printers (e.g. ZBE Chromiras -- the best in the business) use LEDs, others (crappy ones) use CRTs, but most use lasers.

    And not counting the cost of equipment, expect to pay $0.25 per sq. ft. for wet prints. It's going to be a lot more than 5 years before somebody has an inkjet process that can spit out 2000 4x6 archival prints in an hour for less than a nickel a piece.

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