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Synthetic Life In The Lab

niktesla writes "Scientific American is carrying a story about sythetic life - genetic engineered "machines" made from DNA building blocks called "BioBricks". The goal is to produce a library of building blocks that can be assembled to give predictable results. Reminds me of the technology behind Blade Runner's replicants."

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  1. Saviour for people in need in of transplants? by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably stating the obvious here, but once this gets dependable and easy to form to different needs, "BioBricks" might spell the end of people dying due to lack of suitable organ donors.
    I think we will rather see that before we see any horror scenarios like "Blade Runner like replicant slaves".

    1. Re:Saviour for people in need in of transplants? by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "BioBricks" might spell the end of people dying due to lack of suitable organ donors

      Or the end of people dying altogether? "Time to go freshen up the liver, mine is getting a bit worn out". Sounds like this might be a competing technology for cloning?

    2. Re:Saviour for people in need in of transplants? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not worried about replicants. I'm worried accidentally creating critters that interact with humans like viruses or bacteria but we don't have a very good idea of how to deal with them.

      I'm also worried about the same thing, but made on purpose.

      Once life becomes as easy to engineer as a computer program then you have to deal with the same thing as computer systems have to deal with now that any nutjob can use the tools. I don't really think we're ready for the consequences of not having McCaffee AV installed in our bone marrow.

      Should it be stopped. Nah. But these folks better be pretty damn careful with what they're doing. As with GM foods though, I doubt they will.

      TW

    3. Re:Saviour for people in need in of transplants? by Rikus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would I try to preserve my own life?
      Well, that's a good question. I honestly can't say at this point, since I haven't had the opportunity to experience any such serious medical issues. I'm also a bit too young to be making guesses about how my mind will work many years from now.
      I do believe, however, that it would be my duty as a human being to die if I could no longer serve any useful purpose. If I go for self-preservation after my "time is up", it will be against what I currently believe to be reasonable.

    4. Re:Saviour for people in need in of transplants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Death is one of the most important parts of life.

      Death is an important part of life in the same way that 0 is an important part of 1.

      It doesn't matter too terribly much when or how it occurs, as long as the person has enjoyed their life.

      This is called "hedonism" and is, like all other non-reproductive theories of what is or is not important in life, unsupported by evidence.

      If an organ fails, maybe the question "Does this person still need to live" should be asked.

      Maybe the question should be "Does this organ need replacement?" This is not 600 B.C.

      After all, we don't all need to be alive forever.

      None of us need to be alive at all.

      I'd hate to see the day when people live to be 180 years old.

      Knock yourself out, then.

      If people stop dying (or death slows down, as it surely will continue to do), the world's population problem will only grow.

      Earth doesn't have a population problem, humans have a resource distribution problem.

      I think people really need to 1) stop having children

      I think scientists need to invent a time machine and give this advice to your parents.

      2) try to accept death a little more.

      You first.

  2. Blah blah, more words, more words, blah blah blah by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the fact that we haven't even yet created a single bacterium from scratch (the closest we've come is to "bum out" all the optional instructions from one of the simplest known naturally-occuring bacteria to create the simplest possible bacterium we could think of), how long will it be before we have this hot new vapourware biotech? Wake me when it's over... oh, in about 20 YEARS. Yet more speculative flimflam.

    Incidentally, what in the heck does this tech have to do with Blade Runner? Blade Runner replicants were seemingly composed of individual organs and tissues grown de novo in labs and vats (e.g. the eyes in Chu's "Eye World"). Blade Runner replicants are built of "organ bricks", not "DNA bricks" as being discussed here. Jesus Christ...

  3. Ahm.. by fateswarm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahm.. can anyone enlighten us in plain english if this is about that so-called 'Biologic Computer' we've read about last year? I can't recall the technology used on that one and I'm sure most readers with no background in genetics have similar questions.

  4. Re:Hope this will bring us closer to by DrKayBee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People have been modifying bacteria, viruses and other simple organisms to make them do things they usually don't. However, even if these things are published, it is not easy to share this information. A parts-library will help because is like open source and is hopefully machine-searchable. That itself is worth the trouble. What was once the technique and expertise of one lab can now be leveraged somewhere else.

    IMHO, a parts library should not just have the names of the components but also how they can be interfaced to work properly (Their API). This is more useful and less obvious when constructing devices from biological materials. Biological components are very stringent in the environmental conditions they need to work properly.

    They are not claiming or aiming to create "life" but rather new functionality in existing life. Doesn't vaccination do that to us? As for answering fundamental questions, I'm not sure we get any closer. Describing the processes of biology doesn't do much to explain why it is so.

    --
    Humans have such a good sense of humor!
  5. Re:Be more specific by Gyan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would help explain near-death experiences where the person who is clinically brain-dead can have experiences during this dead period.

    What?

    A person who is brain-dead doesn't come back. You meant a person who is temporarily diagnosed as dead, based on lack of pulse.

    Near-death experiences can be summoned, almost by will. Slip someone a dose of 3mg/kg ketamine HCl without their knowledge. When their trips ends, tell them you thought they had died, they'll categorize their trip as a "near-death" experience. Their descriptions will also be pretty similar to those who were technically near death.

  6. Synthetic by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think most of us would consider an organism to be synthetic if it's built from scratch with non-living components.

    So the question becomes, can one build a "living" (i.e. identical to a natural) virus from only the parts that make it up? In other words, would a virus, or any living thing, become alive once someone puts together all the parts in exactly the same way?

    And then some might still say that just because it acts identical to the naturally occuring organism doesn't mean it's alive. It acts alive, but nature didn't give it a soul.

    I think we'll end up with more questions than answers, more debate than decisions.

  7. End of death by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or the end of people dying altogether?

    Organ replacement can not eliminate all naturally occurring deaths. People will allow any organ to be replaced except for one: the brain. The rest of the body can live or be replaced with better parts, but the brain will not last forever. Either regenerative processes need to be developed or the brain needs to become downloadable. If we could recreate nerve cells exactly as needed or download a mind from one brain into another then we might be able to end natural death.

    1. Re:End of death by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful
      or the brain needs to become downloadable.

      And this is where technology ends and philosophy begins.

      Consider the differences between electronic transmittal and physical movement. In electronic transmission (emails, file transfers, etc.) a copy is made at the destination, and the original is (optionally) destroyed. Physical movement involves an object moving in four dimensions, without copying or destruction being involved.

      If I move from one side of the room to another, I am still me. If somebody transmits an exact copy of me from one side of the room to the other, and then destroys the original, I am not still me... a copy.

      What's even more interesting, is that each living organism is constantly changing, bringing in and excreting matter on a constant basis. Over time, the matter composing your being is not the same matter which composed your being 20 years ago. And yet you are still "you." And yet you aren't. Do you like the same music? Do you act the same? Would your 20-year younger self even like you? The you of today shares an history with your younger self and thus originates your sense of self-continuity.

      So, to conclude, downloading your brain to some electronic or otherwise existence is not going to make a bit of difference to your biological self. When your body dies, YOU are dead. Doesn't matter how many exact copies somebody made of you.

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      They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
  8. Before you get carried away by espressojim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before you all get carried away with this, a few things to note:

    This is a bacterial genome. What is currently being produced is isolated sets of parts of the genome that have been cataloged as having specific functions in a bacteria. These 'blocks' could be put together, if you knew how to regulate all of them, and you were smart enough to add all the neccesary components for replication.

    This sort of information is already known for some bacteria. There is a very small amount of DNA in bacterial genomes, and it's easy to sequence. On top of that, it's easier to figure out exactly what a particular bit of sequence does, so this is just creating a one stop shop to look up particular coding sequences.

    What this *isn't* is a eukaryotic genome. You aren't going to be putting together complex organisms this way in our lifetime. We don't even know what the VAST majority of the genome does. Do you remember the phrase 'junk dna'? We're now figuring out that the 'junk' actually has function, and there's even been a case where a mutation in intronic DNA has been shown to cause disease. Life is much more complicated in organisms larger than bacteria, and it's going to take the rest of our lives to reverse engineer complex life, much less begin to design it from scratch.

    So, the take home message: It's cool, and it may be useful for bacteria. We're not going to grow organisms, people, tissue, organs, etc with this idea.

  9. That's Philosophy by The+Famous+Brett+Wat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'd say that the last 100 years of science makes it abundantly clear that what you can measure is all there is...

    This is a tragically popular misconception, especially amongst that part of the nerd herd that hasn't studied enough philosophy. Science+technology has been a great success, sure, but it has in no way demonstrated that "what you can measure is all that there is". On the contrary: what you can measure is all that science can deal with. There may well be such a thing as a soul or a spirit, but unless we can measure it, we'll never have a science related to it.

    When you can measure what you are speaking about and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind: it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of a science.

    Attributed to Lord Kelvin

    The idea, "all you can measure is all there is", is a metaphysical statement (a philosophical claim of the grandest sort, IMO) congruent with the position known as materialism. The assumption that "there's no mystery... that cannot be apprehended" (by science) is a tenet of scientism, not science. It's just a way of saying, "I don't believe that anything exists which transcends our ability to analyse scientifically". You can believe that if it pleases you to do so, but you're utterly deluded if you think science has demonstrated anything of the sort. Such demonstrations are beyond the power and scope of science; philosophers of metaphysics might get there eventually, but given progress in the field to date, I doubt it very much.

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    proof, n. A demonstration that a conclusion is implied by certain premises and axioms.
  10. By your definition, any diploid human cell by MichaelPenne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is a human being.

    When you take your first science course, you will learn that scientific definitions are meant to be as specific as possible.

    Vaugely describing a human being as anything ranging from a living diploid cell that can divide into several potential organisms or fuse with another into one, to an individual organism with a complex interdependent organ system, along with explanations of why some diploid cells formed by gametic fusion are not "human beings" while others are (depending on how long ago the fusion took place), is a definition based on a religious or philosophical need, not a scientfic one.

    It only sounds simple and straightforward to people who don't know the details of reproduction in specific and cellular biology in general.

    Of course, the truth is, you do get it, you're just engaging in sophistry to deny the fact that what you attack is the harvesting of human cells for the benefit of human beings.