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OpenIPO and Lindows

An anonymous reader writes "Lindows is using bankers WRHambrecht and their OpenIPO process when they go public. The lower end of the pricing range will net them more than 50MM. But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares. If Linux can keep investor's attention and Google announces their own IPO, they could raise much more which could have impact on desktop Linux. Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com IPO." OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

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  1. Desktop Realitites by deliciousmonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.

    The fact of the matter is that it will have to more closely mirror M$'s interface than you think to be accepted, perceived improvements included.

    If Longhorn came out with an OSX-like GUI, it would work, but any other OS has to ingratiate itself slowly.

    Not that 2008 for Longhorn isn't slow, but you get the point.

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    1. Re:Desktop Realitites by nycsubway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a point there. It's not only to mimick what people are used to, but Microsoft has spent years and millions of dollars doing research to find what GUI most people will accept.

      A linux desktop should look like Windows not only because its what people are used to, but its what most people have proven to be able to use.

    2. Re:Desktop Realitites by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'd mod you up if I had points, because you're absolutely right (that's what you meant, though, isn't it?).

      Even Microsoft faced a backlash when they screwed with the UI in Windows XP, despite the fact that it's more intuitive. After users finally got used to the setup in NT/95/98/ME/2K, everything got flipped on its head. Fortunately, they are smart, and left a classic view in.

      For a Linux distro with a small userbase, trying to get Windows converts is an uphill battle if the UI looks different than Windows. Maybe not for you or I, but the technically inclined are a minority section of the Windows userbase. There is a lesson here, I think.

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    3. Re:Desktop Realitites by happyfrogcow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod me down if you must... [snip]

      You hear him. Mods, get at it!

      Seriously though, screw MS-Windows functionality. In Outlook it sometimes freezes for a minute if I make a quick mouse movement and click on a menu. It feels like it's pondering which button I really wanted to click on, almost as though the click event happened in two different widgets. And after a minute of what I can only believe is highly intelligent AI computations, it finally determines that I wanted to click on "View" instead of the printer icon.

      Now the quality of the GUI is arguable. It's widely known, and while that's not all it has going for itself, I feel it's the bigest reason why people continue to use new iterations of MS products. If the computer illiterate has to do anything other than their repetitious task, they won't know what to do (i mean, the structure of menus within menus leading to dialog windows isn't obvious). But this mostly comes down to the fact that the typical users don't ever read the documentation or bother with the help system.

      So what's my point... I guess that it is this. We do need a consistent Look and Feel in Linux, that is atleast superficially similar to other popular GUI's, but in functionality (average response time..etc) it should surpass those other GUI's. Arguably we have this already through "themes", though maybe not completely (GTK, QT, TK, Swing, etc all look different).

      What I fear is that a lot of that IPO money will probably end up in marketting, causing Lindows to be the first Linux introduction to many people. I don't know a lot about Lindows but I doubt it is up to large scale scrutiny. A bad distro + MS-FUD could do some big damage to public perception of Linux.

    4. Re:Desktop Realitites by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Microsoft has spent years and millions of dollars doing research to find what GUI most people will accept.

      Oh? And when did they do this research, and what came out of it?

      Did they do this research before Windows 3.1? Did they do this research before WIndows 95? Or did they do this before Windows XP, and create the new interface that everyone truely hates?

      If Microsoft really has been spending lots of money on research, they've been getting ripped off by somebody.
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  2. Motivation? by nodwick · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is being "better" enough to make OpenIPO popular?

    I suspect a big reason people use the current IPO process is not because they feel it's the best process for raising the maximum revenue, but because it raises acceptable amounts of revenue while letting people connected to the IPO profit by purchasing underpriced shares at launch. For this reason IPO shares are usually handed out as perks to people connected with either the company itself or their financial firm.

  3. Scamming people legally by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares.

    Sounds to me like legal way to scam/cash in on hype and an overenthusiastic general public.

    Benjamin Graham (Warren Buffets "idol") used to say that IPO stands for "It's Probably Overpriced".
    Factor that in with an irrational and overenthusiastic general public lacking investment skills thinking all IPO:s are winners (they usually forget the last bubble in good times) and you have a table set for even more inflated IPO:s and ludicrous business models going public.

  4. Lindows IPO by doodlelogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is interesting that this company's management was apparently involved in previous dud tech floats. This is the latest in a long series of floatations by companies that have not gone from the stage of having a good idea to the stage of making money from it. There is an unfortunate precedent for this company: just as users of mp3 sites wanted (at that stage) something for nothing, so linux users are generally still looking at the system as a cheaper, or free, alternative to those on the market. For Lindows to make a decent profit, it will either have to change the culture of its user base, or make serious inroads into the entrenched Windows market. Either will be a formidable task.

  5. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    hmmm, what's the current value of MP3.com stock?
    Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity, it didn't fail because it was a bad idea. Get your wagons in a circle, ya?
  6. I seriously want to know! by wo1verin3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But can someone explain what the huge appeal with Lindows still is? All of the hype building up to the release had to do with it's ability to run Windows apps.

    This functionality was never above or beyond any other Linux distribution... so it's just another distro now... right or wrong? What else does it offer besides the click and play?

    1. Re:I seriously want to know! by NineNine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's one of the few Linux firms that actually has a marketing department to tell people that they exist. Average people have never heard of SUSE, Mandrake, Slackware, Knoppix, etc. I'm betting only a tiny percentage of average people have ever heard of Red Hat and know that they make software.

    2. Re:I seriously want to know! by wscott · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially considering that at $50 for the OS and $50/yr for the subscription to their software archive you might as well have just purchaced XP.

  7. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity, it didn't fail because it was a bad idea.

    So you're saying it wasn't a bad idea for them to follow a business model that was bound to piss off the major labels and get themselves sued into oblivion?

  8. Details? by FreeLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok. So you think the Lindows IPO is news. It may well be for some people.

    But, when you report about IPOs it is usually a good idea to offer a bit more information about the company and its impending IPO. The link to the SEC document doesn't offer any of this information.

    How about a bit of information about the company and its present financials? When is the IPO scheduled to occur? I hope for their sake it is nothing like Andover.

  9. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, I'm not, you have a good point. It wasn't their business model though, but rather an early mistake that cost them in the long run.

  10. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by wscott · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity

    And no one would think of sueing Lindows.

  11. Re:Micheal has learned from experience. by kevlar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The funny thing is that if you have a stable business with stable income, you don't need to rely on venture capital and therefore would have much more clout when it comes time to whore your business to America via Nasdaq.

    When you raise venture capital, you sell your business to pimps, who in turn whore it out to the world. Thats what VCs do. If they had a legitimate business model, they wouldn't need to rely on VCs nearly as much.

  12. People spending their own money legally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sounds to me like legal way to scam/cash in on hype and an overenthusiastic general public.

    Okay. So people are bidding ridiculously high prices on a speculative tech stock. What's the problem? I don't see single mothers and starving children being physically coerced into bidding on IPOs. It sounds to me like you're complaining that consenting adults with extra cash are being allowed to speculate with THEIR OWN MONEY! Imagine that. Next up: Loterry tickets, slot machines, and the blackjack table have worse odds than tech IPOs.

    you have a table set for even more inflated IPO:s and ludicrous business models going public

    Okay. So don't bid on it, tell your aging parents to not bid on it. And then chill out. Nobody is doing something they don't want to do here.

  13. Re:I have news for you..... by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "They control 90+ percent of the music"

    What you seem to be missing is that it's not at all like controlling 90% of some natural resource. There's plenty of great non-RIAA music, go listen to that instead.

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  14. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually the name hasn't been declared legal yet. The fight's not finished. I'm sick of people who who say Lindows has a right to trade off the Windows name. The geek goes and kicks the bully, and when the bully beats the living crap out of him, he complains. I say let the bully beat him up - they deserve it.

    Maybe if they released quality software instead of getting publicity over lawsuits then they might be an asset to Linux. Until then - they are a bunch of charlatans and thieves.