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Notebooks Replace Textbooks in Texas

DrEnter writes "Yahoo! is running this article about an experiment at Johnson Elementary school in Dallas, Texas, which will provide an IBM ThinkPad to every 5th and 6th grader, each one loaded with electronic versions of textbooks and 2,000 other books. Apparently, due to rapidly increasing enrollment and long delays to get new books the school is trying to head off future problems. They also mention a similar program in Henrico County, Virginia, using iBooks and how some of these programs are affecting laptop design (like Apple replacing pop-out CD trays with CD slides)."

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  1. I fear the criminal element getting word of this by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, these programs to give elementary school students notebook computers sound really great on paper. They sound progressive, tech-savvy, and even hip, but I have grave doubts about it.

    What bothers me is that there are a few dangerous criminals out there who read newspapers, and I imagine that upbeat stories about ten- and eleven-year-old kids walking up and down the street to and from school with $1350 notebook computers in the their backpacks are likely to give a handful of enterprising criminals some unpleasant ideas.

    I picture a dozen or so kids blissfully strolling home from school when a dirty white van pulls up. Two guys with masks on pop out of the back of the van, point guns at the kids, demand that all backpacks be removed and placed on the ground, load a dozen backpacks into the van and drive straight to their favorite crooked pawn shop.

    If a school system is going to provide notebook computers for its young students, or require them to own their own, I think it would be wise of them to keep quiet about it.

    So far a bunch of school systems have implemented such plans without any reported dramatic increase in students getting robbed, but I fear that once the word gets out among an areas criminals that there's easy pickings walking around wearing backpacks, all heck could break loose.

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  2. Ebook Reader Needed by l810c · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've tried reading ebooks on a laptop and it's just plain uncomfortable for any long duration. I haven't been to cost justify one yet, but a tablet pc might be better. There is also the added distractions of checking email, IM'ing and *shhh* playing a quick game of sol.

    While I don't think it is bad idea to supply all students with laptops, I think this is a perfect opportunity for a next generation ebook reader. I have an Ebookman that is ok for reading text, but doesn't handle PDF's or graphics, has a small screen and eats batteries when backlit.

    There are several products from asia that are interesting, I just wish they would make it here sooner:

    EB660
    Panasonic Sigmabook
    Sony

    This could be the type of application that would launch ebooks into the mainstream.

  3. This is stupid. by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A large portion of the 'graduates' in the Dallas school system can not read or write at the 3rd grade level.

    Couldn't the money be better spent on, I don't know teaching?

  4. Re:I fear the criminal element getting word of thi by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think about your average 5th and 6th grader, not exactly a bastion of common sense. Now, think about handing them a 1350 laptop.

    I can only imagine that with in the first day they had 10 kids in the principles office with smashed screens, click-o-death harddrives, etc.

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  5. I am in the library by spiritraveller · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am supposed to be studying.

    Instead, I am replying to a slashdot article on my laptop.

    You see, my school is very tech-savvy. The reading carousels have ethernet ports.

    I am easily distracted by the computer, and I'm a grad student! I hope these 5th and 6th graders have a lot of discipline... ha!

  6. Not enough money for upgrades now by plcurechax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So rather than the chronic complains from school boards of not enough money for textbooks for every students, are we going to hear of complaints of not enough money to keep the computers up-to-date with software updates, security fixes, current eBook readers, and current editions of various eBooks.

    Let alone the burden of replacement cost for a below poverty line family when a child has his/her laptop stolen.

  7. We have a statewide program like this by PunkerTFC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here in Maine every 7th grader is provided with a 12" iBook. Some people think the program is very successful, others think it's a huge waste of money. As one of the students who didn't get a laptop (senior this year) I'm a little jealous, but I think it's a good idea.

  8. Paper? by alexatrit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What ever happened to the old methods of teaching? Proper instruction by example? Reading the assignments out of the book? I still think there's something to be said for turning the pages yourself and reading, away from the electronics. In addition, laptops for kids will further introduce repetitive stress injuries and carpal tunnel syndrom earlier in people's lives.

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  9. Accidents happen by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a former HS teacher, I remember "book return day" at the end of the year. Ugh. Do you know how many kids wanted to pay $60 to replace the physics textbook they lost or damaged so badly it was unusable?

    Now, what happens when instead of $60, a lost or stolen COMPUTER costs 25 times that to replace? I sense that the parents may not be so happy with this arrangement, either.

    Keep the computers in the schools, I say. Give the kids books to take home.

    1. Re:Accidents happen by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even better idea: Make a $99 Book reader and give that to the kids.

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    2. Re:Accidents happen by Slack3r78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except now you're talking in the range of $4k/unit. I love Panasonic's notebooks as they're near impossible to kill, but money is one thing not readily available in education.

  10. Textbooks, any way you like 'em by Uninvited+Guest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, it seems that every school board wants a set a of textbooks that match their own criteria. Some school systems want creationism taught alongside evolution; other systems want phonics emphasized over rote spelling. With paper textbooks, no publisher can produce a textbook that pleases every set of criteria. At best, the publishers can come up with variants on the original textbook, and update the next edition to suit a plurality of customers.

    Enter electronic textbooks. Publishers can now produce a unique version of any textbook for any given school system. What's more, the content is no longer static for years and years. Found a typo in that edition? We'll have that corrected and downloaded to you in a week. A major change in biology studies because of human genome research? No problem. Examples, homework assignments, and content need only be limited by how much the publisher can organize and layout. School systems' per-student textbook costs drop down to the cost of a computer per student (which follows them through high school or 'till they break it) and the publisher subscription costs.

    Sure, there are problems with textbooks on a tablet computer. However, the cost and content benefits are so strong, school systems will be forced to switch. The bag full of books we lugged to and from school (through the snow) (uphill) (both ways) will become the old-fogey gag of our children.

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  11. Nice, but... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great! So instead of printing a copy of the classics downloaded from the internet at a few pennies per copy, my child can now use a $1350 laptop:

    • Bullies might not care for Johnny's printouts of Wuthering Heights, but they'd be glad to take his laptop.
    • Instead of paying $50 per child per year for textbook rental, parents will now have to pay $50 per year per laptop for antivirus subscriptions, and buy a ~$1000 laptop for each of their children.
    • Lost laptops are a much bigger problem than lost books.
    • How many kids hawk their textbooks for drug money? How many kids would hawk their laptop for drug money?

    I don't see any sense in this at all. Basically, this makes every child a target of criminal activity. But worse, it seems to me that this is a part of the greater "worship computers because they are the future..." mantra I see in schools. Just because little Johnny can use a computer doesn't mean he's not an idiot, and I believe that most businesses are aware of this fact. What's going to happen is that these parents are going to find out the hard way that the money they spent on computer hardware is actually going to be a disadvantage when it comes to their children going to college - you can't use a computer on standardized tests, and without it, little Johnny's going to be lost. No worry, though - he can still qualify for that fast food job and go to a "computer school," or community college where he'll learn how to be a Windows Admin for $6/hour (or whatever it pays by then). If he looks good, they might feature him in the commercials...

    Rest assured, these students won't learn any computer science during this program. In fact, they'll be lucky to read even 10% of the books installed...

    Computers don't teach logic or reason - if they did, a substantial portion of the population would not be making a living teaching inherently stupid machines to perform monotonous tasks.

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  12. Re:I fear the criminal element getting word of thi by OglinTatas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes. Only instead of cheap external hard drives, give the kids CD-R's with the textbooks on them, refurbished PC's for home if they need one, and let them do their homework on paper. A lost CD-R is 10 cents.
    The text book publishers may not like that idea, but maybe they can change their copyright policy from a $60 per textbook model to a $60 per student license, and let the schools replace the CD-Rs as needed.
    Use the money for the laptops to build a decent computer lab for the students instead.

  13. Re:I agree with this post. by scooby111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, how I wish I had mod points to mod the parent up for this.

    I do tech support for 3 different school districts. In my experience, the biggest problem is that teachers rarely have the computer knowledge to use utilize any new technology. Of the 150 or so teachers, perhaps 4 or 5 understand what a network is. Perhaps 2 of those would be able to leverage the new technology into something beneficial for the children.

    Why spend $1300+ for a new laptop for each child when you're only going to use it as a glorified e-book? Sure they are capable of much more, but does an elementary school have the resources and support necessary to utilize them?

    We get technology grants all the time. It seems that the money for new technology is there, but it is never accompanied by the training money or staffing dollars to implement it. The school is expected to pay for that. How does a school that barely has enough money to pay their teachers come up with money to pay the technical support for that many laptops.

  14. My little brother had one of these by Pragmatix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He spent a lot of time in class AIMing to other people, and generally not paying attention.

    Also a couple kids at the school managed to download massive amounts of Porn onto their laptops.