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ACLU Sues FBI Over ISP Records
An anonymous reader writes "One of the provisions of the infamous USA PATRIOT Act is the ability for the government to force companies that hold personal information, specifically in this case, ISPs, to turn over their records without a court order. MSNBC is reporting about a lawsuit filed by the ACLU in secret because of another provision in PATRIOT that prevents public disclosure of these matters. The gag order was dropped when the Justice Department agreed to not take any action against the ACLU."
As with most real conservatives, we disagree with the sitting president.
What a horrible choice is left to us come November.
Not really. John Kerry is "Bush Lite". Conservatives shouldn't have any trouble voting for him.
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
The ACLU has not problem duplicating the efforts of Planned Parenthood and NARAL. They seem quite zealous about devoting a dispraportionate amount of effort to reproductive rights.
You know, if the 800,000 dead in Rwanda had been armed with rifles, pistols, and shotguns they might not have all been killed.
But hell, we don't need to protect ourselves, the state will do it for us. Just like the way they protected us from that 97 year old Highland Park, Texas resident who had a traffic ticket. You know, they one they handcuffed because they thought she was a 'threat'
And then you get some 13 year old mod who thinks this is flamebait... A 13 year old who may just VOTE in five years.
Simple. The president should not discount the advise of his top terrorism advisor while drawing up plans to invade a country that has nothing to do with any terrorist attacks on American soil and while cutting the anti-terrorism budget at the same time.
We don't need new laws to deal with terrorism. What we need is an administration that pays attention to its advisors.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
After reading all these post and knowing what I know, I really don't see what the problem is with the Patriot Act. If there was no Patriot Act, you guys would bash the President for not having something in place. But yet there is something in place and yet you still bash? I hope you understand that the Patriot Act passed with only 3 no votes. So even if he did veto it, it would still be enacted. So you all should be bashing your local congress/senate person for voting for it, rather than lashing out on somebody who doesn't have all the power you guys think the President has.
This is a test. This is a test of the emergency sig system. This has been only a test.
Hmmm... 77 percent of anti-abortion leaders are men. Something to think about. BTW, it's a fetus and BTW it's not yours.
God Bless America. Why? Did it sneeze?
Bush is opportunistic, and I really don't like him, but he didn't directly order or participate in the Twin Towers attack. Whether his ineptitude allowed it to happen or not is debateable.
Among the least-disputed facts is the great friendship between Bush and the Saudis, that, among other things, led him to give permission for all Saudis including close relatives of Osama to leave when all Americans trying to fly were grounded and continue to be treated hostilly. We could go on about numerous issues like supporting the Pakistanis in the face of obvious evidence that they have proliferated WMDs to all our worst enemies, etc. while claiming to lead a war to eliminate WMDs. Is this all attributable just to ineptitude? I think he is committing real crimes against the people, and is not above some sort of indirect involvement at least in the twin towers attack.
The big problem is, that with the new age of terrorists and their "retarded" mind set often the people who will be attacked (spain, japan, united states, france, england, china, south vietnam, south korea) will be attacked from within. The will be attacked by people who act like citizens right up until they pull the string leading to the bomb wrapped around their chest. The will hold your little girl or your wife to their chest while they do it...so you have to ask yourself, how can we combat something that wants to stay hidden within our society.
To bring up an even better point; remember the SDS, and the Weatherman Underground? They were the United States own people, bombing, plotting, and basically hating americans and the government because they were in a drug crazed stupor that even they admit was short sighted.
So one must ask themselves, maybe the Government should protect us from ourselves.
The ACLU has a one sided agenda, if the nuclear bombs dropped tomorrow on manhattan they would be in the streets screaming for the rights of the people who dropped them.....The government, also has an agenda, but i think since we are a steady source of voting and taxes for them they like the idea of protecting us from danger more so than the ACLU....the ACLU seems to like class-action-law, that nets them money, clout and recognition...instead of the American people's freedoms.
I'll join the ACLU when they remember that there are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.