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ACLU Sues FBI Over ISP Records

An anonymous reader writes "One of the provisions of the infamous USA PATRIOT Act is the ability for the government to force companies that hold personal information, specifically in this case, ISPs, to turn over their records without a court order. MSNBC is reporting about a lawsuit filed by the ACLU in secret because of another provision in PATRIOT that prevents public disclosure of these matters. The gag order was dropped when the Justice Department agreed to not take any action against the ACLU."

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  1. Can we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    stop talking about the Patriot act? Obviously from its name if you aren't for limiting the freedoms of Americans you are not a patriot. Plain and simple. Besides who needs freedom anyway?

    1. Re:Can we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      yeah...we will make better tax-paying livestock than human beings anyways

  2. Factoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Did you know that the country Canada is the northmost country in North America? Brrr.. I wouldn't want to live there in the winter!

    1. Re:Factoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Factoid: Ass sex is the leading cause of anal hemoraging.

  3. Ooo... by Cyno01 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Lets play count the acronyms!

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  4. Re:Proper rebuttals to the DoJ by Vlion · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Part of the problem is that the status of non-citizens seems to be legally hazy with respect to their rights. Not that it should be, but it is, and the DoJ et al are exploiting that to the maximum.

    "Why do we still have this president again?"

    Because he won the electoral vote, which trumps popular vote. Which, if you don't like, go be a lobbyist in D.C.
    Just be glad that Slick Willy wasn't in office. He would have done jack squat about the Two Towers except make soothing noises.

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  5. When it comes down to it... by FooGoo · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I really don't give a shit.

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    People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them
  6. Humans and Animals: At what point should we stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    With this "animal rights propoganda" coming out of everyone's ears nowadays, we tend to feel confused about our species superiority. Should a human be forced to go into remand for harming a pet animal? Just because the pet's owner is a human (?) being does not mean that this umbrella of law be extended to his/her pet. Tell me, is it bad to kill someone's dog if it is biting you? is it bad to kill someone's cat if it irritates you? Tell me men, is it still rape if you fuck a nigger? Suppose you kill a dosa-eating assmonkey, is it still murder?

    Any opinions will be appreciated.
    Thanks for reading, assfaggots.

  7. Re:And now.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Authored by: John Goodwin

    Here is a re-write of my investigative trip through the mergers and company changes detailed in this thread's header. Did you know there was a 4th Amendment to the Reorg, in July 2002?

    Refering to this groklaw thread,

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2004022 11 83849777

    So adding this thread to that one, "Caldera Systems" is a wholly owned subsidiary of "newco" a.k.a. "Caldera Holdings" a.k.a. "Caldera International" a.k.a. "The Caldera Group" a.k.a. "The SCO Group". The name changes occur from August 2000 to May 2001 when the deal is consumated.

    Caldera International, spawned a wholly owned "merger sub" which merged with "Caldera Systems" and swapped "newco" stock with it, leaving "Caldera Systems" as "Surviving Caldera", only this time with "newco" stock in the hands of Canopy and Old SCO. Canopy still has its share, but Old SCO (TTLA, Tarantella) sold its 28% stake in SCOX back in 2002 for around $100,000 in cash and $5M of the $8M promissary note. In other words, it took a loan writedown bath and got out with what cash it could.

    Part of the "restructuring deal" was a 3-year payout of the OpenServer business and to Caldera International (*not* as commonly asserted to Caldera Systems), that can hardly have begun before mid-2001.

    Here is the relevant section:
    (B) During the three year period (the "Earn-out Period") beginning with the first, full Caldera Fiscal Quarter following the Effective Time (provided that if the Effective Time falls within the first five days of any Caldera Fiscal Quarter, then the Earn-out Period shall begin with such Caldera Fiscal Quarter), SCO shall be entitled to receive from Newco on each Earn-out Payment Date 45% of the amount by which OpenServer Revenue for the prior four full Caldera Fiscal Quarters is higher than the cumulative Earn-out Thresholds for such periods (such amount, an "Earn-out Amount"). Notwithstanding the intention of this provision that the parties shall share in the future revenue of the OpenServer Business as operated by Newco, such operation of the OpenServer Business shall be in Newco's sole discretion, and Newco shall be under no obligation to provide any minimum level of support to the OpenServer Business.

    That means it should be ending--right about now. What happened? The answer, after a bit of digging, is--

    Here is New SCO (Caldera International) admitting, in a press release, that it needed to prepay certain license fees to Old SCO (Tarantella), as late as 2002. What is that about?

    http://www.unicat-communications.de/tech/php/xin .p hp?kid=3&prm_id =196

    The Company and Tarantella Inc. also agreed to modify the agreement and plan of reorganization between the two companies and to permit the resale of certain additional Tarantella products by the Company. These changes eliminated the right to an earn out payment to Tarantella based on OpenServer revenues of the Company for the three years following the completion of the earlier transaction with Tarantella, Inc. In connection with the license of additional products, the Company agreed to prepay certain licensing fees. The Company paid a total of $500,000 to Tarantella, Inc. in connection with the purchase of the earn out rights and the prepayment of licensing fees.

    Here's what happened--

    http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4 28 2/3/

    Here is the Tarantella (TTLA) side, from their Annual report:

    http://www.tarantella.com.mx/investor/info/repor ts /pdf/2002/annualpr oxy2002.pdf

    Note 6 shows license revenue from "related parties" (which, given that Tarantella held SCOX stock in that time frame, would be New SCO?)

    Third party revenue goes from 118M (2000) to about half that 52.5M (2001), suggesting it was OpenServer revenue that was sold off in mid 2001. That leaves the related parties 546,000 which might be mostly New SCO. Other figures suggest 30

  8. Re:These are the true defenders of our freedoms. by Creedo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    No thanks. Any issue I might agree with them on is swamped by this.

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  9. RENE GONZALEZ - FUCKING ASSHOLE'S EMAIL INFO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    name: Rene L Gonzalez
    department: Campus Activities
    mail: rene@student.umass.edu
    phone: (413) 253-9639
    class level: Doctoral
    major: Political Science

    UMass president rips student column on Tillman
    Posted: Thursday April 29, 2004 2:13PM; Updated: Thursday April 29, 2004 4:10PM

    AMHERST, Mass. (AP) -- A University of Massachusetts graduate student who wrote a campus newspaper column saying former NFL player Pat Tillman was not a hero for being killed while fighting in Afghanistan was sharply criticized Thursday by the school's president.

    UMass president Jack Wilson issued a statement saying Rene Gonzalez' comments in The Daily Collegian "are a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country."

    In his column, which ran Wednesday on the opinion page and was posted on the newspaper's Web site, Gonzalez called the former Arizona Cardinals safety a "G.I. Joe guy who got what was coming to him."

    "That was not heroism," Gonzalez wrote. "It was prophetic idiocy."

    His column also criticizes America's military response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

    Tillman, the San Jose, Calif., native who gave up his NFL career to join the Army Rangers in 2002, was killed in combat April 22 in Afghanistan.

    While recognizing Gonzalez' right to free speech, Wilson said the student owes Tillman a "debt of gratitude," and said he should apologize to Tillman's friends and family.

    Gonzalez did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages left Thursday by The Associated Press.

  10. Re:These are the true defenders of our freedoms. by Brandybuck · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    BTW a fetus is a human being, and BTW it doesn't matter if it's yours or not.

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    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
  11. Re:What country is this? by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now THAT is .sig fodder. Too bad after 2 years on this site, I've never had mod points.