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Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 Released
KonijnenBunny writes "May 3rd sees the release of the 0.6 version of Mozilla's Thunderbird e-mail and newsgroup client, featuring improved junk-mail controls and a new brand identity, including a new Firefox-style icon.
I switched from some murky client which didn't exactly have a bright outlook regarding spam to Thunderbird a while back and was not dissapointed. Grab this latest version at Mozilla.org." Mac OS X users can also enjoy the new Pinstripe theme, which matches the previous theme of the same name applied to Firefox.
Try to win your boss over away from the "we're a Microsoft Partner" way of thinking! Show him that everytime you violate the standard to appease IE, you are taking money out of your pocket and giving it to Microsoft, and are moving one step closer to a Microsoft-only Internet, complete with Microsoft-only viruses and trojans.
While I agree with your general concept (which I think is that standards are a good thing and we shouldn't use browser-specific extensions on public-facing Web sites), I don't really understand how making sure sites work in the browser that 90% of my customers use "takes money out of my pocket and gives it to Microsoft." If my customers can't get to my content, they keep their money to themselves and spend it elsewhere.
Don't make any consessions for IE. In fact, turn IE users away at the door. Put up some links for them to get with the program and download a standards-compliant browser.
Uh, dude. C'mon. I really think you've gone over the hedge here. People don't want to be hassled when they go to a Web site -- they just want it to work. I'm all for making sure things work in Moz, Safari, etc., but most bosses rightly won't let their employees turn their Web sites into some kind of crusade for the software they prefer.
I know that some people will flame on about the "small tools" approach, but it would really make sense to tightly integrate Mozilla Calendar into Thunderbird. Like it or not, people have expectations, and the general expectation is that their email program will be a full PIM suite (Calendar, Tasks, Contacts). As nice as Thunderbird is, there's a large segment of the population that will take a look at it and say "No calendar? Then I'll stick with Outlook." And that's a shame, because getting rid of Outlook is one step on the road to getting rid of Windows.
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"I don't really understand how making sure sites work in the browser that 90% of my customers use "takes money out of my pocket and gives it to Microsoft.""
Yep, the money's not really going to microsoft is it, so much as to your competitors. But, for anyone who gets the 90% argument from their boss:
"Designing for 90% of browsers is our policy? Here's a question. If I answered 10% of the sales calls with "hello [companyname], could you please fuck off", how would that affect our sales?"
"Now imagine if our website gave that same impression to 10% of customers"
You're deploying a "technology preview" to 1500+ users? Thunderbird is great and all (I use it), but that's ballsy.
*sigh*. Is it EVER gonna get a single local mail tree for all POP accounts feature? Is it even on the list of planned enhancements? Until it gets this, I WILL NOT SWITCH TO IT. Nor will quite a few other people. I wish the developers would get a clue.
This issue pisses me off, a lot. Because I'd love to switch from OE, but I won't put up with not having this feature.
== Jez ==
Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
No, that's a build for Cygwin.
I can get Thunderbird on windows with no additional effort (IE just the installer.) For kmail I have to step through loading the POS that is Cygwin, load KDE, then load kmail and hope nothing fucks up on the way down.
I don't know the answer to this, but it does make me wonder something else.
How many folks on a Mac are really interested in using anything other than Safari and Mail? Camino, Mozilla, Firefox, etc. all run comparatively slow on my G4 iBook. Clearly a lot of optimizations have occured to make the "native" Panther apps run quickly. And they all integrate fairly nice together and have good feature sets so I just really don't see any incentive to change. It is just a question for you guys, would be curious to get some feedback.
Win32 is another story. The default mail and browser suck royal ass. And, Mozilla and friends run nicely.
I wouldn't say that Mozilla has lost grasp on real world problems. They're simply attacking the issues from a user's perspective rather than from a sysadmin or organizational perspective. Firefox allows users to have a safe secure and powerful browser, an admin could accomplish about the same feats by locking down IE network wide, blocking ad sites and spyware downloads, etc. Thunderbird is the same way, SPAM can be blocked at the client level. Mozilla simply gives the user's and the admins the choice to make it a client issue or a network/sysadmin issue.