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U.S. Gov Agency Blunders With Keyword Blacklist

Anonymous Submitter writes "There's an interesting CNet article which highlights a report released by the OpenNet Initiative. The report examines how "a U.S. government agency charged with fighting Iranian and Chinese Internet censorship is quietly censoring the Web itself". Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks are breastcancer.com, teens.drugabuse.gov, several gay rights websites, and even usembassy.state.gov. Some of the members of the group who prepared this report were responsible for a previous Slashdot discussion entitled "Academics Take On Government Net Censorship". The report raises questions about the potential inaccuracy of proprietary and other secretive filtering mechanisms: who should be responsible for ensuring their accuracy?"

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  1. Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

    </tinfoil hat mode>

    1. Re:Given that... by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you make a filter that blocks everything with the word "gay" in it, it's can't really be an accident when a gay rights site gets blocked. Maybe it was an accident that they added gay to the list? Maybe they were all "hey, is this blacklist, like, a list of words the Chinese will be allowed to look at?" and then the other guy was like "whoa, I don't know" and then the third guy was like "probably, I guess" and then when they found out 365gay.com got blocked they were all "damn, it was an accident, man."

  2. Keyword filtering will never, ever work by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just try to team up with a reasonable company like Secure Computing and use their Smartfilter list to block URLs. Keywords will aways produce tons of false-positives. We have to deal with this everyday and no matter what you hippies want to believe, you DON'T have a right to browse pornography on work computers. Go jerk off at home.

    1. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Please man. I agree with you on one point, keyword filtering will never work. Why they're not using Bayesian filtering is beyond me. But the point of this article is not that they're filtering, they're filtering with a political motivation. Exactly the problem with china. From the article:

      Instead, the list unintentionally reveals its author's views of what's appropriate and inappropriate. The official naughty-keyword list displays a conservative bias that labels any Web address with "gay" in them as verboten--a decision that affects thousands of Web sites that deal with gay and lesbian issues, as well as DioceseOfGaylord.org, a Roman Catholic site.

      More to the point, the U.S. government could have set a positive example to the world regarding acceptance of gays and lesbians--especially in Iran, which punishes homosexuality with death.
  3. A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The agency is censoring pages coming into its organization, not the internet in general, like China and Iran are attempting to do. Why it's comical and ironic, this submission is a bit misleading.

    And I dount they have much choice. Government agencies often have this stuff mandated on them to "protect" the workspace, avoid having citizens groups screaming about government employees surfing porn on the job, hostile workplace regulation, etc.

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    1. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not censoring pages coming into its organization. (well, it might be, but that's not what the article is about)

      It's censoring the pages that people in China and Iran can see, via a proxy server (Anonymizer, which used to be legit) that it is funding as a way for the Chinese and Iranians to get around their government's censorship. That's the whole point: They're replacing the Chinese and Iranian government's censorship with the US government's censorship.

      The Chinese government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. The US government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. I fail to see any difference.

      What's really sad is that the Anonymizer used to be a legitimate company, with some concern about things like privacy and freedom. I wonder how much money it took to make them John Ashcroft's bitch. I sure wouldn't trust them for "anonymous" surfing any more ... they probably have a direct feed to the Vaterland Security Agency.

  4. Re:just plain stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The fact that these people are stupid and, evidently, the people who are supposed to be the administrators are stupid as well, does not make you in any way slightly worried?

    I've never seen the attraction of leaving a country in control of a total idiot. Hmm. So you can guess what my opinion of the current president is...

    Why do people think it's GOOD to be stupid??

  5. stupid goal and stupid implementation by belmolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any content-based restriction on what sites people can visit is improper. Not only does the government have no business playing censor, but it sends the wrong message to people elsewhere, namely that censorship is okay, as long as it is the right kind.

    If they really didn't want to waste resources on anything other than pro-democracy web sites, they could provide access just to specific sites, or they could provide open access but limit bandwidth. The images from porn sites will generally use much more bandwidth than the text of a political discussion. As it stands, the keyword list the contractor used is really hopeless. It just goes to show that there aren't very many words that are likely only to be associated with porn cites. I bet that any number of Catholic sites, for example, are blocked by the "virgin" keyword. In any case, where foreign countries are concerned, keyword blocking should be easy to get around. Instead of putting the sexual terms in your domain name, you put them in meta tags and site text, and you put them there in Chinese and Persian and so forth. How halfway intelligent people with the serious mission of spreading freedom and democracy can waste their time on such a thing is beyond me.

  6. Not from the US, eh? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To get this sort of lashup requires the unique combination of prudery, stupidity, and incompetence that you only get at the Federal level.

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  7. Majority Rule... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IBB has justified a filtered Internet connection by arguing that it's inappropriate for U.S. funds to help residents of China and Iran--both of which receive dismal ratings from human rights group Freedom House--view pornography.

    In the abstract, the argument is a reasonable one. If the IBB's service had blocked only hard-core pornographic Web sites, few people would object.

    In other words, censorship is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when the majority doesn't complain about it? What kind of fucked up, idiotic logic is that?

    Whether the majority cares or not is irrelevant, it's not a reasonable argument because censorship is censorship. I'm sure someone will try to spin it that "oh, well, it's the government censoring ANOTHER country", but that's just bullshit too. If you can't extend the beliefs of this country to non-citizens, there's no particularly compelling reason to believe they should apply to us, either.

    Why is it that every time I turn around these days, some sort of idiotic bullshit like this is coming out of the government? Who the fuck let them off their leash anyway?

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    1. Re:Majority Rule... by dustmite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also turns the "US as example of freedom to the rest of the world" concept on it's head. I mean, what, you're going to teach other countries about freedom of speech via acts of censorship? Yeah, a real shining beacon of freedom of speech there. Way to be a role model to the rest of the world.

    2. Re:Majority Rule... by jaywood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is the goverments machine. They can do what they like to it.

      um, that makes it my machine. (Not exclusively, but...) My tax dollars, "government of, by, and for the people", etc.

      Not to mention the irony of combatting censorship by *providing censored internet access*.

  8. Re:just plain stupid by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Why do people think it's GOOD to be stupid??"

    Not that I endorse ignorance, but those stupid people sure are happy. They just do what everyone else does and life is gravy. If you're stupid, you've got lots of company (since there's alot of dumbasses), so it's quite pleasant to drink budweiser, watch WWE, complain about commies and sand niggers, and make fun of smart people with all of your stupid friends. Ignorance TRULY is bliss.

    YEEEHHAAAA - Cletus, did you see the size of that chicken?

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  9. keyword blocking is stupid without context by dj42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until filters can understand context, keyword filters will always be stupid. Ass.

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  10. Accidental? by taernim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks ... several gay rights websites.

    The submitter obviously is not familiar with the Bush Administration's stance towards anyone who is not hetereosexual. Anything that happens towards us these days that is negative, do not believe for a moment it was just an "accident".

    If you're not convinced, check out The Human Rights Campaign website.

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    1. Re:Accidental? by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Social conspiracy is silly.

      This just a case of stupid filtering gone wrong because keywords aren't good for filtering. Keywords are stupid because things that aren't PORNographic GAY PICs with homoSEXual and biSEXual same-SEX COUPLES will be filtered because they are "naughty" words that a lot of PORN sites use to get peoples attention. The same filter would apply to a church fighting GAY and LESBIAN same-SEX COUPLE from getting married. It isn't a personal call by George BUSH or DICK Chenny to put the GAY person down.

      Remove the tinfoil hat, and then view the world with a touch of cynicism. It will lengthen your life span.

  11. Who'd have thought? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of spending time helping others route around censorship, the U.S. government hires people to censor the web. These people then accidentally censor U.S. government sites.

    At this point, the intelligent response would be to say, "Oh, we forgot that idiotic ideas tend to attract idiots. Our bad. We're going to go back to sowing free thought around the world now."

    However, the government response will be, "We'll just hire some more people for even more money to implement a better filter. In fact, we've already outsourced a lot of the development work to the same companies that set up China's filter. They've got lots of experience."

    Porn, apparently, is a greater threat to the U.S. than a nuclear-armed ex-Communist dictatorship. Sounds like one of John Ashcroft's buddies. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go put the burqa back on Blind Justice. We tried to stone her to death, but they kept bouncing off and our arms got tired.

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  12. Out of curiousity... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does the US government also attempt to help circumvent other countries' internet censorship laws, such as, say, those of certain Western European countries? Or is it just the countries we're not quite married to (yet)?

  13. It gets better! by k98sven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article links to the word list.

    Blocking sites with "asian" in it must really help out those poor Chinese..

  14. Re:Culture Bombing... by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Errr... actually, that's really interesting... I had a chinese girlfriend recently, heh, and the interesting thing is that, while it's not talked about and theres the whole "it'll bring shame on the family if anyone knew" thing... it still happens. The culture is very averse to talking about sex, but whatever happens behind closed doors... You are right, though, it's not *quite* as rosy as I first stated.

  15. Re:just plain stupid by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, but my personal observation is that, unlike in the movies, when stupid people try to do evil they cause even more trouble for us than they'd actually intended, without even getting what they want, rendering the whole exercise pointless for everybody.

    Which is what makes it stupid.

    KFG

  16. So what... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, who cares what a person's sexual orientation is.

    I'm in my forties and it dawned on me a long time ago that gay people aren't fundamentally different than straight people. Its your uncomfortableness with the situation that's the problem, not the sexual orientation of who you're dealing with.

    I've heard all the nonsense about how gays destroy the "esprit de corp". What utter utter crap.

    Live and let live. And if the guy next to you is attracted to guys, what do you care?

  17. A Modest Proposal by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a simple solution for people who sue because they did something a toddler should be expected to be smart enough not to do and it bit them:

    They have admitted in open court that they are unable to take care of themselves or handle adult responsibilities. Therefore, they should be put in a home, and any money they collected from that lawsuit should be turned over to the home to pay for their lifetime care.

    This would not only solve the problem of frivolous lawsuits and the quest for deep pockets, but it would also help the employment situation by removing these people from the job market and creating jobs for people to take care of them. After all, someone who doesn't know that coffee is hot can't even be trusted to feed themself, or to eat anything that they might choke on, so there will be a need for caretakers to feed them their pureed food blend, help them go potty, and tend to them at all times.

  18. Duh... block images... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they want to block porn and save bandwidth, all they need do is not serve images.

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  19. Very different scenario by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The failure here was not in neglecting to install a monitoring/blocking system, but to take proper action upon notification.

    Read: her supervisor who refused to ask the employees to remove the pictures

    Employees were posting pictures, and the employer didn't make them stop nor offer disciplinary measures. I wouldn't expect to get away with pr0n at work, and I'd definately expect to be disciplined (perhaps fired) if I tried to. It appears that both the other employees and the employer were definately at fault - but not for lack of filtering.