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Sun Java Desktop System Release 2

Jahf writes "Sun is putting out Java Desktop System Release 2. Some overview information is in this article while more technical information about the new management solutions are in this one. Quickly: the desktop environment is essentially the same, though Sun has added support for GIMLET (allows one to change the current input language on a per-window basis), officially supported Japanese and Korean translations, and is including a Java-based online update client. The bigger changes are management items that are normally hidden from the end-user but valuable to the Admin. Configuration Manager allows admins to setup client preferences for remote desktops and 'protect' those settings to create policies. Sun Control Station (the last remaining Sun product from the Cobalt acquisition) can work as a network imaging server, can monitor remote desktops, and can work as a patch server (both by pushing patches out to many desktops and by serving as an online update server for clients who need to pull additional packages)."

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  1. Sun Control Station 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not exactly the same as the old Sun Cobalt variety,
    for some reason they rewrote the whole thing in Java.

    And the new one doesn't come bundled with hardware.

    1. Re:Sun Control Station 2.0 by dagnabit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the original product had quite a bit of Java in it. HTML was too unwieldy for displaying large numbers of machines...

      There was an HTML "wrapper" interface (a la RaQ 550 etc), but the bulk of the interface was Java.

  2. Recommended Server Requirements by DA-MAN · · Score: 4, Informative

    Recommended (Minimum) Configuration

    * 2 Ghz Intel Compatible processor or better
    * 1GB of RAM
    * 160 GB hard drive
    * 10/200 Base-T Ethernet network interface


    Wonder what a 200BaseT nic is... Can't say I've ever seen this before.

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    1. Re:Recommended Server Requirements by gumbi+west · · Score: 2, Informative
      Why is this informative? The minimum spec is:
      • Pentium II-compatible processor, 266 MHz
      • 4-GB hard disk
      • 128-MB RAM
      • 800x600 screen resolution
      The parent is just troll, and the moderators bought it because they didn't read the article either!

      BTW, recomended is:

      • Pentium III-compatible processor, 600 MHz or faster
      • at least 4-GB hard disk
      • at least 256-MB RAM
      • 1024x768 screen resolution or better
      Not bad.
  3. Re:Not impressed by JavaLord · · Score: 4, Informative

    When will the linux desktops going to "lead" in innovation instead of lagging, continually trying to replicated some outdated version of windows?

    Although you've been modded as a troll, you are right in large part it seems linux tries to emulate windows. It's not a bad thing, because it allows people to switch when they get too disgruntled with windows. However, the bigger payoff would be if someone developed a desktop enviornment that was BETTER than windows. Not just in preformance, but in look in feel

    and that is exactly what sun is trying to do with project looking glass.

    Check out some of the movies and screenshots of it if you haven't seen them yet (it's been posted on slashdot) they are pretty badass imo.

  4. Re:Isn't this just plain ol' linux? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Sun bundles stuff that other distros can't. e.g. StarOffice (which has features that OpenOffice doesn't), Macromedia Flash, Java, RealPlayer, etc.

    2. $100 is the base price (actually $50 right now) that gets you one year of updates. You never have to pay another dime unless you want ANOTHER year of updates.

    3. Sun's plan is to bundle all of their desktop software into one package. As they add new value (e.g. MSAccess support for StarOffice is in the works), you get those upgrades free.

    4. Unlike many ad-hoc distros, JDS is founded upon the idea of being a consolidated desktop.

    I will say that at this point JDS is only slightly *different* from SuSE. SuSE may actually be the better pick. However, I do expect that JDS will become a lot more competitive in the future.

  5. Re:Wow, a "twofer" in the omelette today by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Informative

    where the heck did you pull out that JDS would require rh 7.3?

    *6.

    Q.

    Which operating system does the Java Desktop System work with?

    A.

    The Java Desktop System includes a Linux OS, based on SuSE SLED. Future versions will extend platform support to the Solaris SPARC and x86 platforms.*

    Don't try to understand something you don't bother reading few lines of.

    +5 MIS-informative

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  6. Re:what i don't understand is by KingJoshi · · Score: 3, Informative
    What the heck are you talking about? They're desktop recommended configurations are:
    Pentium III-compatible processor, 600 MHz or faster; at least 4-GB hard disk; at least 256-MB RAM; 1024x768 screen resolution or better
    Yeah, that's really "steroid-induced". And their minimum configs are understandable:
    Pentium II-compatible processor, 266 MHz; 4-GB hard disk; 128-MB RAM; 800x600 screen resolution
    Maybe you were looking at their "Server Hardware Requirements"...
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  7. JD4x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out an open source java desktop: jd4x.sourceforge.net - it's fast, cute, and mostly Java.

    1. Re:JD4x by persaud · · Score: 2, Informative

      Corrected link: jdx.sourceforge.net.

  8. Re:Isn't this just plain ol' linux? by cdemon6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like there will be solaris support at some point in the future, that's what the FAQ says:

    "The Java Desktop System is a complete, integrated desktop system that includes everything from the OS to applications. The integrated Linux OS is based on SuSE SLED and is the only Linux distribution which is supported at this time. Future versions will extend platform support to the Solaris SPARC and x86 platforms."

  9. Re:Nothing Minimum about it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Directly from the FA:

    Minimum Supported Configuration

    Pentium II-compatible processor, 266 MHz; 4-GB hard disk; 128-MB RAM; 800x600 screen resolution


    WTF are you talking about?

  10. Re:IT's SUSE Re:Desktops of SUN, Red Hat, and Nove by Siddly · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got an email on Sun's mailing list today that had a URL to their presentation, quite slick and looks a great corporate desktop. They mentioned Linux (by accident ???) three times and SuSE once. They stated their intention to have a Solaris version out next year. They also added a nice touch where corporates buying the "Java" desktop are allowed installation on their employees' home machines.

  11. Re:Isn't this just plain ol' linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    And furthermore, the GPL doesn't require you to distribute things to the public at large. It only requires you do distribute it to persons you sell binaries to.

    Not necessarily - it depends how you go about it. If you include source code in the actual distribution, then what you've said is basically correct.

    If you don't, however, then obviously you have to be making some kind of offer to provide source code if your customers need it. The thing is that the GPL requires such offers to be transferrable.

    So if your customer gives a copy of the binary to his friend, and you included source code on the CD, then your customer is the one responsible for providing source code to his friend if the friend wants it. But if you merely put a note in saying "source code is available on request", then your customer passed that offer on to his friend, and when his friend wants the source code he will ask you for it - and you are then required by the GPL to give him it, even though he never bought the software from you.

    (As usual, read the license for the details. I'm not good at explaining legal things, but what you said is a common misunderstanding that shouldn't go uncorrected.)

  12. Re:Although it's fun to joke about Java... by master_p · · Score: 2, Informative

    Java was never slow on numerical computations. It is slow because of the excessive casting needed when using collections, doing searches with keys (which must be derived from Object) etc.

    Java 1.5 templates will not solve this situation, unfortunately.

    And of course, Swing is slow because of the bloated architecture.

  13. Re:Although it's fun to joke about Java... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nonsense. Sun's "JAVA Desktop" is a modified GNOME desktop, nothing else.

    The reason why it is so slow is not java, it's the latency introduced by GTK (on which GNOME is based). In fact the Java Desktop has nothing to do with Java.

    > native display rendering speedups as Eclipse does

    native display rendering isn't java anymore.