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Make A Hole - And Sustain It Indefinitely

Mick Ohrberg writes "Florian Merkt, Robert Deegan, and Erin Rericha, all at the University of Texas, have shown that a hole created in a water and cornstarch mixture with a puff of air can be persistent if the mixture is shaken at about 120Hz with acceleration being in the 12g-25g range. The physics behind the phenomenon has not yet been explained."

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  1. Physics and particles by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that the world of physics as it relates to lots of macro sized particles interacting isn't very well explored.

    I remember reading an article years ago, about research into mixed nuts. Basically they wanted to find out why the brazil nuts always tended to come to the top. It turns out it's a semi-complex interaction, when the can is shaken vertically, the nuts closer to the walls are pulled down due to the friction and they fall into the gap created at the bottom of the can, creating a sort of convection current. The larger brazils had less contact area with the wall and were not as likely to be pulled back down IIRC.

    It's just kinda funny that we understand all kinds of interactions down on the atomic level, but are still researching basic things like the way mixed nuts or raisin bran sort and settle.

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    1. Re:Physics and particles by oojah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember reading an article years ago, about research into mixed nuts. Basically they wanted to find out why the brazil nuts always tended to come to the top. It turns out it's a semi-complex interaction, when the can is shaken vertically, the nuts closer to the walls are pulled down due to the friction and they fall into the gap created at the bottom of the can, creating a sort of convection current. The larger brazils had less contact area with the wall and were not as likely to be pulled back down IIRC.

      I was under the impression that in general, larger particles move to the top because the smaller particles fit into gaps more easily and so move downwards - the larger particles therefore have to move up. I suspect that this may play a small part in mixed nuts, but there aren't any really small nuts, so it can't be that big an effect.

      Interesting about the friction though! :)

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  2. The physics are easy by ezraekman · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's quite simple, really. The glass container in which the corn starch is stored resonates perfectly at 120Hz. Had the researchers used a difference thickness, weight or purity of glass, the required frequency would be different, though far less stable. What they have done, in effect, is open a very small gateway into a sub-level dimension. It is fortunate that they did not accelerate the container to a rate generating more force, which would have caused the hole to open larger; they might have inadvertently unleashed one of these.

  3. Re:Cool and all by djsmiley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firstly, i would guess that the inside of this structure is PERFECTLY round. I mean, so 100% perfect, something which we cannot create atm. Which will then be used some how. (like creating ROUND m&ms?). Still, no one know what it all means?

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  4. so... by hookedup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    scale the whole project up, and easy access to sunken boats?

    treasure is always a good incentive...

    1. Re:so... by LordMydrin · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Honey, is that an earthquake?" "No dear, they are just shaking the planet at 120MHz to maintain a hole so that sunken treasure can be salvaged..."

    2. Re:so... by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Informative

      scale the whole project up, and easy access to sunken boats?

      Unlikely, for this approach, at least. This experiment is relying on special interactions between the cornstarch suspension and the sound waves passing through it. Water behaves a lot more like an ideal liquid than a cornstarch suspension does, so it's not going to exhibit the same effect.

      There are other patterns of motion you could induce in water to get access to sunken ships (e.g. dump in lots of sound and put an antinode in the channel volume, or set up currents to produce a vortex). However, it's probably cheaper just to go down there with submarines and/or scuba gear.

      If you need an open-air environment to do the recovery properly (which would actually be _bad_ for most shipwrecks), pressurize an inflatable dome down there (using suitable gas mix instead of ordinary air if at any significant depth). Your divers are already acclimatized to the pressure, so no ultra-strong submarine hull is needed (keep dome pressure slightly over ambient).

  5. Mirror of video by Copperhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    I downloaded the removed video when the site was on Fark this week. You can get it off my server here (3.8 meg wmv).

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  6. Cornstarch/Water a "sheer-thickening" fluid by Salis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Similar to the 'liquid body armor' reported on Slashdot a while back, cornstarch + water is a "sheer-thickening" fluid, or a fluid that increases its viscosity when it experiences sheer (or tangential force).

    Perhaps the interaction between the cornstarch/water and the vibrations cause the cornstarch/water to increase its viscosity and "hold" up the walls of the hole.

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  7. So that's how Moses did it.... by Shipud · · Score: 3, Funny

    How much cornstarch do you need for the Red Sea anyway?

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    1. Re: So that's how Moses did it.... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


      > How much cornstarch do you need for the Red Sea anyway?

      Moses stole the technology from the Egyptians, who were using it to make Stargates.

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  8. Re:My thoughts exactly by Bastian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given that cornstarch and water is a shear-thickening fluid, and the vibration (at 15-25g no less) is certainly a shear force, this phenomenon is almost certainly due to the vibration causing the cornstarch and water to gain viscosity. This wouldn't necessarily give you a stable hole, though, so it's probably also helped by the cohesive forces in the fluid and some other effects, too.

    I would guess that it's not that the scientists don't know why this is happening, just that their models aren't accurate/precise enough to predict it. Or maybe they left out some effect or force that is normally negligible in the models, but suddenly becomes important in this situation.

  9. Already been done by damien_kane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't ACME have a patent on portable holes? I think these guys may want to check with their lawyers...

  10. But what I really want to know is... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Funny

    How'd they come across this?

    Hey Joe... Let's take some water... and add some cornstarch.. and then. hmm... apply a really high frequency, and then puff some air down into it.

    Ya know Bob, that's a really great idea.

    -Jesse

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