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Intel Drops Tejas, Xeon To Focus On Dual-Core Chips

PunkerTFC writes "Reuters has an article about Intel dropping the fourth-generation P4 chip (codenamed "Tejas") and the Xeon server processor. Intel says they want to concentrate on their new 'dual-core' technology for desktop and notebook systems. This is essentially putting two processors on one chip, allowing for a doubling of performance with less energy use. The introduction of this technology was not expected for another year and a half. Rival chip maker AMD says they have the capability to produce dual-core chips and will introduce the technology when they "feel there is a market need.""

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  1. It seems may seem obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but might this have something to do with the recently-announced Longhorn specs?

    1. Re:It seems may seem obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder if it is entirely right to think that MS's annoucement about Longhorn requirements stems solely from Intel's change in roadmaps.

      AMD's Opteron, with its onboard memory controller, has been a perfect candidate for a dual-core setup since it was released (and will be getting one later this year). The Athlon64 is very similiar to the Opteron and thus it will be very easy to transition it to dual-core. The P4, on the other hand, has already got its dual-core in the form of hyperthreading.

      I'd think AMD was already ahead of the game and invested in the onboard memory controller rather than something similiar to hyperthreading, because they knew that a real dual-core setup would be necessary in the future. They were planning ahead for this. So, it could be that MS's annoucement about Longhorn needing a dual-core setup stems not from Intel but from AMD.

    2. Re:It seems may seem obvious... by mikis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. I bet "recently-announced Longhorn specs" were a very clever troll, and I can't believe how many people HBT. All CPU & RAM requirements asside, but why would an OS *require* Gigabit ethernet and wireless networking? This guy confirms it, but hey, he works for Microsoft, so he must be lying.

      No, it has everything to do with Pentium M and AMD64 architectures kicking PIV's a$$.

    3. Re:It seems may seem obvious... by Goldfinger7400 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Consumers are frugal first, and dumb second. Witness VHS trumping Betamax. When it's time to upgrade, the average consumer buys the cheapest computer they can get. CompUSA etc. don't even carry many of the monster computers. I really think Microsoft or Intel will have a hard time convincing the thrifty consumer that it's worth another 1000 dollars for a "Dual Core" chip, when they won't know what that is. Which leaves the smarter consumers who know that it's stupid for Windows to require an obscenely quick system and who might even switch to a Mac or Linux based system in protest. The dual core design will probably be a big hit in graphics and other intensive applications though, I really appreciate my dual processor system and it'd be great to get that sort of flexibility in a single chip, like for a laptop.

      Oh, and of course Gamers will buy the new systems, especially if they label the chips "Radical Edition".

    4. Re:It seems may seem obvious... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those 'specs' were predicted 'average computer' that was going to ship with Longhorn. It was in no way related to the 'minimum specs'. My guess is Intel is not liking the fact that AMD's growth continues, and AMD seems to continue developing chips faster than Intel, so Intel's taking a drastic move to try and take the lead again... or something to that effect.

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  2. Dual processors are nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But multi-cpu system sales figures do not justify abandoning the single-cpu market in any way. This is a serious mistake or an admission that they just cant keep up with AMD anymore.

    1. Re:Dual processors are nice. by Gherald · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's dual core, not dual processors.

    2. Re:Dual processors are nice. by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simply: cost. The CPU core is probably now well under 10% of the silicon area, the remainder being L1 cache and similar support circuitry. Adding a whole extra core adds very little to the total silicon - less than making the core more complex to handle ever deepening pipelines. Whereas adding a second complete chip, in its own package, plus the arbitration logic necessary to make the two chips work together, costs a lot more.

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    3. Re:Dual processors are nice. by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Understood. What about performance wise? Better, worse, or similar to dual proc?

      I ask because I run dual proc now, hate to live without it. ;)

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    4. Re:Dual processors are nice. by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Dual CPU systems have been around for much longer than Apple's G5s. If anything, the Athlon MP pioneered consumer market multi-processor machines, not Apple.

      The ABit BP6 and Intel Celerons "pioneered consumer market multi-processor machines".

  3. And right after AMD.... by kidventus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sold more chips than Intel during a two week period (52% to 47%). I wonder if Intel is finally feeling the heat from AMD? Maybe Dell (who only sells Intel) is pushing on them too.

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    1. Re:And right after AMD.... by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, of course, Intel got those sales figures and started shaking in their boots, leading them to drastically shift their business plans on a moment's notice.

      Realistically, long-term strategies are in the pipeline for months before they're ever announced to the public. Intel surely had several different plans, and decided that this one was more future-proof than the previous one. I doubt that a one-week trend had anything to do with their decision.

  4. Dupe Scoop... by Kr3m3Puff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well weekends are for dupes it seems

    I mean this was interesting a couple days ago, but now it is old news...

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  5. Exactly.. Market Need. by skzbass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many people do you know with dual procs. anywho? the only one I know is a mac friend. What kind of heat sink are we going to need for dualies? Its gotta weigh in round 5lbs. And have the noise output of a harley

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    1. Re:Exactly.. Market Need. by mean+pun · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How many people do you know with dual procs. anywho? the only one I know is a mac friend. What kind of heat sink are we going to need for dualies? Its gotta weigh in round 5lbs. And have the noise output of a harley

      That's exactly what they try to avoid. Each core in a multi-core processors is simpler than a single processor of the current generation, but they make it up by putting two or more of them on the same chip. Another way to look at it is that the parallel execution units of a current generation processor are made even more autonomous, and this is made explicit by declaring them to to be separate processor cores.

      The point is to use the available transistors on a chip as effictively as possible. For a long time computer architects used the growning number of transistors to enlarge caches and pipelines, add execution units, and add other niceties (e.g. branch prediction, MMX), but the gains have gotten less and less (and were sometimes dubious to begin with).

      Multicore processors are only useful if people have enough parallelism in their applications to make it worthwhile. Therefore, it won't help every application, but that's also true for many tricks in existing architectures.

  6. Real impact by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's the real impact many of us will be feeling. Software vendors that license by the CPU have already in fair part indicated that they consider "dual core" chips to be two CPU's for licensing purposes.

    In other words, people are going to find themselves having to pay higher licensing fees with regular desktop computers as well as servers. Small workgroup servers could be really hard hit by this from some vendors.

    I wonder how this will play out with XP Home which only supports one CPU? AMD has the technology so they may well respond in kind when Intel does (dammit lead AMD, lead), which could have a fair impact in weaning the masses of XP Home. I dont think MS will let this go the route of hyperthreading with the "logical processor" support.

    1. Re:Real impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bah. You can be pretty sure if the Average Dell Machine comes with a dual-core chip, software vendors will be forced by customers to change their licencing policies.

      Instead, with everyone doing these small multi-core chips, you'll probably see "Per MIPS" pricing like in the mainframe world.

  7. Remember by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Intel, like Microsoft, Dell and Sony, is a favored company.

    AMD, like Nokia, Apple and Nintendo, is not.

    AMD's strategy (Opteron instead of dual-core?) will therefore be called "a significant risk given the current market reality" while Intel's strategy (dual-core instead of Itanium?) will be called "a savvy decision for the technology giant," even though the media wouldn't know an Opteron or a dual-core CPU if one jumped up on their desk and did the tap number from 42nd street.

    All of the general stories will make repeated and redundant references to the effect of Intel's strategy on the "tech-heavy Nasdaq."

    This is no different than the Sony vs. Nintendo console competition. The media doesn't like competition. Neither do the markets. (There is only room for three companies in any given market) It's so much easier to be a sycophant when your favored company has 80% of the market.

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  8. Re:Interesting by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You'd think they wouldn't be so calm. If AMD lags behind Intel on this, they'll miss the whole wave of early-adopting nerds. These nerds will more than likely be very pleased with their purchase, and turn into fanboys. Fanboys, as we all (unfortunately) know, like to evangelize about their manufacturer of choice to other nerds (which creates more fanboys), and anyone who asks them for advice on a computer. Even if AMD comes out with something better afterwards, the damage will have already been done.

    See also: Playstation 2.

  9. Re:Parallel? by Xoro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this a parallel implementation then? In that case performance is only doubled for processes that can be performed in parallel.

    This is only accurate if you're describing single-task performance. System-wide performance may be *more* than doubled, if you're dealing with loads that are causing a lot of switching overhead.

    And I don't think it's just a server thing. When my old dual cpu system finally died, I replaced it with a single cpu setup that ran nearly twice as fast (by MHz) as the two chips in the old system combined. Yet the feel of the system under load was substantially worse. I'm pretty stoked about this. I think it could improve the average user's desktop experience a great deal.

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  10. Deja vu...? by YuppieScum · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Rival chip maker AMD says they have the capability to produce dual-core chips and will introduce the technology when they "feel there is a market need."
    Didn't Intel say that about 64bit CPUs right up until AMD release the Opteron and AMD64 CPUs... then had to play catch-up and eat a whole load of humble pie?
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  11. Re:Parallel? by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...Intel has jumped on the lowend with the Pentium-M.

    I wouldn't be so quick to characterize the Pentium-M as a low end chip. From what I've read of it's inception, they took the P3 core, added some advancements gleaned from the development of the P4, and optimized it for power efficiency. A while back, while googling about, I found that others have wondered about PM's in an SMP configuration. That's not possible (perhaps not even in the way ABIT made the dual P3 VP6 -- i.e. with a hardware hack), but interest in this chip as a performer has at least created a market for PM based blades. This chip isn't a P4EE, but it's hardly a Celeron.