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Amateur Rocket Reaches Space

PatMouser writes "An amateur rocket carrying a ham radio avionics package reached the edge of space May 17. Launched from Nevada's Black Rock Desert, the 21-foot Civilian Space Xploration Team (CSXT) GoFast rocket quickly attained the 100 km altitude to make Amateur Radio and amateur rocketry history. Two earlier CSXT attempts to reach space--the last almost two years ago--were unsuccessful. A jubilant Avionics Team Leader Eric Knight, KB1EHE, called the successful launch 'a phenomenal experience.' The full ARRL article can be read here. There's nothing on CSXT's site yet..." (See this pre-launch story for more details.)

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  1. Re:Define Space by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just straight up and down. In other words they made a sounding rocket. huzzah. welcome to the 1940's.

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  2. Laws governing space launches? by nighty5 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Im sure airlines have laws on what can go into domestic aircraft space.

    It kind of scares me that there is no mention of laws relating what, how, who can launch into space.

    Space junk falling back onto earth has to be a concern....

  3. Re:When does your crazy project stop being amateur by zik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how many years you spent doing ballroom dancing you'd never become a professional until you got paid. And even if you were terrible at it but got paid you'd still be a professional.

    But let's say you're a good dancer who isn't paid. People might say you were "very professional" in your attitude or presentation but in that case they're using an analogy - saying you're as good as a professional, not saying you're actually a professional.

    I think a lot of people are confused about this word. We use the term "amateurish" to talk about things which are crappy and I really think this helps to add to the confusion. For instance I write free software which by definition is an "amateur" activity since I don't get paid for it but I'd really like to think it's not "amateurish" and crappy!

    There are some other distinctions used these days too. I play in a band which you'd definitely describe as "amateur". But maybe someday we'll get booked at a venue and become "semi-pro", meaning we get paid to play - but not enough to give up our day jobs. Not quite "professional" but not "amateur" either.

  4. Re:When does your crazy project stop being amateur by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    !bersl2.RTFA

    Though it has been argued (unsuccessfully) that a sponsorship is not necessarily a waiver of amateur status (a bit of a stretch, stretched further by my application of it to this situation). So YMMV: Jeremy Bloom v. NCAA (Warning: DOC file...).

    And interestingly, as I preview, the banner ad is for Nike.

  5. Re:Apathy again! by taniwha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    more importantly it also means you probably have some sort of guidance system (other than fins). It's pretty easy to go straight up - but to get into orbit you basicly have to go straight up (to get out of the atmosphere as fast as possible) and then turn 90 degrees sideways and go fast enough that you fall back at the same rate the earth is falling away from you. That's hard - without air fins don't work - you need some sort of reaction control or thrust vectoring as well as some inertial system so you know where you are and where you are going

  6. Out of curiousity by dtio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In theory, could a private individual put a satelite in orbit?

    Am I free to build, launch and use my own space gadgets?

    What does international law say about this?

    1. Re:Out of curiousity by WegianWarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AFAIK, there is no international treatys which restrics who that can fire lumps of metal into orbit - but there is a treaty describing what's not allowed. Only caveat there is that it's a "Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States
      in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies", meaning it may or may not apply to you as a private person.


      The main trouble I see is that you need to travel thru someones airspace to get there - and to fly thru controlled airspace you need permission from the relevant autorites in your country. As others have noted in reference to the article, in the US you need a waver from the FAA. In other nations you need to apply to the local aviation autority to launch somethign that passes thru the regulated airspace, providing you can get permission at all.


      International law is not whats stopping you - it's the local laws that are the nail in your plan.

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  7. Re:When does your crazy project stop being amateur by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hell, I can go pro by buying an $8,000 digital SLR camera
    People go pro with thirty year old pentax 35mm SLRs, so long as they can produce quality pictures and sell them to people. Crap pictures that no-one will buy from an expensive camera just make someone an amateur with a good camera. By definition, you are a professional at whatever your profession is - whatever you make the money at. Many amateur athletes are a lot better at what they do than the professionals - they just don't make any money out of it.
  8. Re:K7R by blincoln · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The similarities arise from the similar circumstances of origion of the two dialects. Both are designed to be extremely terse, due to limited available "bandwidth." In the case of l33t, any time spent of the numpad detracts from game play, while with ham, you need to key out each letter with multiple strokes.

    What?

    I've been watching "1337" evolve and devolve for over a decade. It may *now* involve a lot of numeric keypad usage, but I can't believe it started as a way to be efficient.

    Ten or twelve years ago there was hardly any number usage at all, just the dorky "i aM a HaXoR, aLL VoWeLZ R LoWeRCaSe" capitalization. I would see variations like using zeroes for o, fours for a, ones for l, threes for e, and sevens for t, but writing it "3Y3 4M 4 H4X0R, 4LL V0W3LZ R NuMB3RZ" actually takes more effort than spelling it normally.

    I see it as being a deliberate obfuscation, like slang or the illegible writing style that taggers use.

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  9. Sort of... by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm affiraid that you're not entirely correct either... Generally, a person becomes a professional at an activity when they support their lifestyle through an activity. To continue the metaphore:
    • A beginning dancer is an amature.
    • A dancer with 10 years of experience is still an amature.
    • A dance performer with 10 years of experience who works in a coffee shop is a professional waitor or waitress (but still an amature dancer.)
    • A dance performer or instructor who pays their rent through performing or instructing is a professional dancer.
  10. Re:When does your crazy project stop being amateur by ponxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > No matter how many years you spent doing ballroom dancing you'd never become a
    > professional until you got paid. And even if you were terrible at it but got paid you'd still
    > be a professional.

    That is not entirely true. As a dancer you can simply declare yourself "pro" and start entering competitions for professionals.

    On the other hand in many countries amateurs teach and do demonstrations and get paid for all of these, though usually there are some limits. The distinction between amateur and pro is pretty arbitrary really... In the case of space rockets i think amateur has come to mean "not financed by the government or a business with intent of making a profit", or something similar.

    > We use the term "amateurish" to talk about things which are crappy and I really think this
    > helps to add to the confusion.

    In the sometimes rather bizarre dancing world "amateurish" can actually mean the opposite. In this case it is a distinction to the social dancer. In this case "looking like an amateur" means to look like a serious competitive dancer...

    Anyway, i never thought i'd see a ballroom dancing reference on slashdot!

  11. Re:Mainstream news coverage? by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its not a conspiracy, its stupidity. The general public doesn't have a friggin clue about how significant this or the Scaled Composites events are. When I was young and ignorant, I thought the round-the-world nonstop flight (i.e. Rutan's Voyager) would be huge news & possibly spark a new interest in aviation. But basically nothing happened. All the hoopla 6 months ago for the Wright 100th anniversary was largely unnoticed by the media. The SpaceShipOne launch last week & this amateur rocket are further examples of how science doesn't sell. If the thing had exploded on the ground & killed half the team, THAT would be news. If SpaceShipOne blows up or crashes into a trailer park, the media will be all over the story. But if they have another ho-hum flight where nothing goes wrong, it ain't news. Apollo XIII, anyone?