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Feds to Open BlackBoxVoting User Logs?

Doc Ruby writes "Investigating a crack of eVoting company VoteHere, the FBI is said to be issuing a subpoena for the traffic logs of journalist Beverly Harris' BlackBoxVoting website. The FBI is pursuing Harris on the theory that her site is the connection between incriminating memos leaked from (VoteHere competitor) Diebold and the intrusion into VoteHere's servers. Are you on the list?"

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  1. No Logs. by man_ls · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They can't subpoena something that doesn't exist...if sites with potentially controversial content make a policy of not keeping logs more than 24 hours (or even better, simply write the logs to /dev/null) then there's nothing at all for the FBI, NSA, etc. to subpoena.

    I'm surprised they don't do this already.

    1. Re:No Logs. by antic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It wouldn't surprise me at all.

      And along those lines, would US hosting companies shift servers and other infrastructure (potentially some staff) overseas to allow them to retain certain sites?

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      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
    2. Re:No Logs. by pherris · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Didn't fuckcompany move to that a couple of years ago after Ford sued them over the phrases "Looking for a new job at Ford is job #1", "Ford Exploder" and "Flips Over Road Debris"?

      As for forums without registration, they allow people to post under whatever name they want. Each posting is tagged with either "registered" and "unregistered". And might I add they have some pretty talented trolls there too. Think of "-1" on /. as the shallow end of the pool and fc as the deep end.

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      "And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
  2. Awwww fsck by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, if this were a slashdot article eons ago, it probably got slashdotted, and thus have lots of slashketeers on their list. Those that cared to RTFA, anyway...so that drops it down to a handful. :)

    Guess here's one of those instances where it pays NOT to RTFA. Like we ever do anyway.

  3. Release of a competitor's documents? by Gunfighter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So how would they prosecute this if the blame falls on VoteHere via BlackBoxVoting? Is this something that would be considered industrial espionage and prosecuted under trade secret law? What about BlackBoxVoting being labeled the "middleman" in the leak?

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    1. Re:Release of a competitor's documents? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think BlackBoxVoting would have done anything criminal if their only involvement was that their forum was simply the communications conduit between people involved in the spying... but they'd better comply with the subpeona requested information to avoid getting tied up in an obstruction of justice situation.

  4. Not judge. Grand Jury. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently a judge somewhere has been shown enough information to think that a search of the site is warranted...

    Not judge. Grand Jury.

    "Just a bunch of citizens" meeting in secret and nosing into anything a prosecurot thinks might be a sign that a crime might have been committed.

    Because their proceedings are (allegedly) secret and the details of their deliberations do NOT become either public record or evidence usable at a trial, claims of privilege and immunity to search do not pull much weight.

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  5. Fascism closer than it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "The USA and the Republicans in paticular are a very long way from fascism"

    Traditional Republicans yes, but the neo-cons in power are anything but traiditional Republicans. And thanks to them, the USA is a lot closer to fascism than we think:

    Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    OK, the control is there, the suppression of opposition through terror and censorship is growing, belligerent nationalism is very evident, racism has always been there and now is more prominent in the "war" against terror. The only thing lacking is the true centralization of authority, although the way the President was given a free hand to declare war it's not too far off. We're just one more major attack, followed by a declaration of martial law, away from fascism.

    Furthermore, as Mussolini said, fascism should more properly be called corporatism. Corporatism. Ring a bell in today's USA?

  6. Bev Harris misses the point by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In her website, she sees no difference between counting votes and financial bookkeeping. She includes this quote from John Medcalf, CEO ofVOTEC Corp, "His principal thesis (paraphrasing) was that vote management is accounting just like with money" This concept misses the vital element that votes must be kept anonymous. Many of her ideas, which revolve around auditing fail because of this essential element.

    She dismisses open source software as a solution to electronic voting because bugs can remain hidden even after many reviews. While this is true, it misses the point that we should assume no system will provide a complete answer and therefore use a combination of source code auditing (best if the code is open), certification and what I believe is the most important: paper ballots that can be re-counted to provide an alternative to the electronic counting.

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  7. RE: seizures by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Excellent point you just made, and if people are really paying attention, the Steve Jackson case is only one of MANY such instances in the "computer crimes" saga.

    There's a pretty amazingly large list of computer bulletin board systems that listed "FBI raid/seizure" as their reason for finally going offline - yet no prosecutions were made in the vast majority of these cases. People simply dialed up one day, got a "number has been disconnected" message, and assumed the sysop didn't want to run his/her BBS anymore.

    I first realized this when looking over one of the old collections of BBS numbers found on the Internet. (I think this was someplace on the www.bbsdocumentary.com web site, but as I look there right now - I only see lists of BBS names with phone numbers and sysops, but no notes as to why they went offline.)

    It seems to me that right before the Internet really went mainstream, the feds were spending an awful lot of time seizing people's BBS hardware and software, with no real motivation other than attempting to break up the "BBS scene".

  8. I just had an idea by gwoodrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it becomes a trend that users get in trouble for visiting specific websites, I could screw over everyone I hate just by lugging my laptop within range of their unprotected wireless network

    I think I just had a lightbulb go off in my head. This is how I shall eventually rule the world... eliminating my enemies via paranoid government... muhahahaha!

  9. I visited her website several times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I not only visted her website on several occasions but I also purchased a copy of her book. It is titled "Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century." I look forward to reading it soon. I also once listen to her when she appeared on on a radio talk show. I even went so far as to write to my elected representatives on this subject. Does that mean that I will soon be on the FBI's long list of suspects?

    I first started following what she and others had to say when the Swathmore College sudents launched their electronic civil disobedience campaign against Diebold. The students were trying to bring attention to internal Diebold memos which showed that Diebold employees knew how insecure their voting machines and the software was. The students were fighting Diebold's cease-and-desist letters that were forcing websites to take down the memos. For a few hours at a time websites would appear with the information and then the would quickly be shut down and dissappear. The websites not only had the internal Diebold memos but some even had the actual GEMS software and sample voting data files to play with.

    The webpages included instructions on how to intall the software on your Windows computer and then use Microsoft Access to easily bypass the all security features. As I recall, it also explained how to modify the "AuditLog" and bypass the audit trail. Keep in mind that the internal memos showed that Diebold knew about most of those problems and did not seem to want to bother fixing the security flaws. Many polling places are now using Diebold voting machines here in the United States.

    I did not downlaod the GEMS election software and the memos from the websites. The files would have been to large to be downloaded with my slow dial-up connecton. But, I am sure that many people around the world did. I have not kept up with what is going on lately but apparently the FBI claims to be investigating an alleged break-in at the VoteHere electronic voting software company. The FBI also seem to still be interested in the Diebold memos.

    What Bev Harris and others want is for us to use voting machines that print out a stub which can be inserted into the ballot box as a backup in case a recount is needed. Machines of that type exist now but for some reason there has been less of a push for using them. Correct me if I am wrong but, I have heard that several of the voting machine companies have several lobbyists busy in Washington and have made a number of political contributions. Perhaps the main problem is that Bev Harris is trying to bring all that to everyone's attention. She and others are guilty of trying to protectly the integrity of the voting process here in the USA.