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Fedora Core 2 Review

An anonymous reader writes "Linuxlookup.com staff member Rich Hughes posted his thoughts on the latest Fedora release with this Core 2 Review. "Fedora Core 2 is the newest release from The Distro Formerly Known As RedHat. Updates include the 2.6 kernel, KDE 3.2, Gnome 2.6, X.org replacing Xfree86 and numerous package updates. Having played around with SuSE 9.1, Arch .6 and Slackware 9 with the 2.6 kernel, I was interested in seeing how the Fedora team did with this release.""

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  1. sony vaio by maharg · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe a colleague has had some success installing core 2 on a Sony Vaio laptop - this is about the hightest recommendation for *any* distro ,-}

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    1. Re:sony vaio by AirLace · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my experience, Vaios are some of the best-supported mobile systems available for Linux. Even the funky dials, switches and displays are supported by the sonypi project. I suspect it's because Linux has had great success in the East, even prompting some vendors to ship dual-booting Windows/Linux laptops. It just makes sense for Sony to use hardware that won't cause headache for its users.

  2. Text of the article by gspr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fedora Core 2 Review

    Category
    Linux Distributions (O/S)
    Distribution name
    Fedora
    Version
    Core 2
    Manufacturer name
    Fedora Project
    Provided by
    Fedora Project
    Price
    Free
    Review by
    Rich

    Fedora Core 2 is the newest release from The Distro Formerly Known As RedHat. Updates include the 2.6 kernel, KDE 3.2, Gnome 2.6, X.org replacing Xfree86 and numerous package updates. Having played around with SuSE 9.1, Arch .6 and Slackware 9 with the 2.6 kernel, I was interested in seeing how the Fedora team did with this release.

    Installation

    Installation was a breeze. I like that Fedora provides the opportunity to test your discs. This is an idea Mandrake would be wise to copy. It is frustrating to get to disc 3 of an installation only to find that it didn't burn properly. I give the distribution credit for making this easy.

    The install was fast. It installed 3.5 gigabytes in about 20 minutes. They myth that Linux is hard to install is not true for most modern distros. Hardware detection was great, my usb mouse and keyboard worked immediately. My onboard Nforce ethernet controller wasn't recognized like it was with SuSE, but I didn't expect it to be. My normal ethernet card was recognized and setup with no problem.

    The System

    My first impression was that it looks like RedHat 9. I don't care for the default icon set or the menu layout. The fonts look great, but that has become my expectation. There isn't a reason for ugly fonts anymore, so to trumpet the fact they look good feels silly. The panel is filled with Openoffice.org icons but missing a terminal icon. The boot splash screen is very attractive, if that is your thing.

    The odd thing about Fedora is that it seems to be aimed at novice users but is inconsistent. We are given the choices Web Browser, Email, Music Player and Audio Player, but left with Kopete, Kget, Emacs and so forth. Either your user knows what Kopete is or they don't. If you are simplifying the menu, do it across the board or don't do it at all. This inconsistency extends to the system itself. It is pretty and newbie friendly at first, but if you need basic functionality such as mp3 playback you must hand edit the yum configuration file. Up2date freezes, but the command line program yum works well.

    This leads me to my biggest problem with Fedora. On one hand, it is a great introduction to Linux. It installs easily, works well and is attractive. On the other hand, it plays right into the hands of Linux's biggest critics, which is the mistaken notion that it is unfinished and most things don't work. You are given a browser with no plugins, so if you jump online excitedly with your new system, there are a lot of things that won't work. You load your favorite mp3s, then find out you cannot play them. God forbid you have a dvd drive. You notice the red exclamation point telling you there are updates available, but up2date freezes leaving you unable to get them. I know there are fairly simple solutions to these complaints, but the fact remains that not everyone who tries Fedora will know how to do it. They will just feel disappointed by a system that lets them down, deciding that this Linux thing is not ready for prime time. A program that would set up unofficial repositories with a few clicks would take care of this, along with some prominent documentation telling you how to get the things you need. I could not find any real documentation at the Fedora site, except for RedHat 9. This may be due to my lack of time to search for it, but if it exists, it should be clear where it is at.

    Despite my complaints, there are things I like. The system is very responsive. Programs load quickly. With the exception of up2date, Fedora is stable. The splash screens look great. The look and feel, while not my cup of tea, is consistent throughout the applications.

    Package Management

    This is a nightmare. Add/Remove Applications provides me with the original

    1. Re:Text of the article by someonehasmyname · · Score: 4, Informative

      On my FC2 system I use Synaptic. It's a GUI frontend to apt that will handle installing single packages, or upgrading your entire distro.

      Just follow the instructions listed on the fedora.us site.

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  3. Don't install yet by sagi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems like there is still no safe solution for this bug.

    Some people report that they lost all their data by installing it.

    I really can't understand how they released it with such bug.

    1. Re:Don't install yet by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have this problem, it can be recovered:

      boot your windows 2k/xp/2003 cd
      go into the recovery console
      run "fixmbr"

    2. Re:Don't install yet by tinla · · Score: 5, Informative

      This bug got a lot of coverage on the fc-test mailinglist: archives here. Look for the thread "Serious reservations about FC2 release on 5/18". It makes very interesting reading. The inital post seems sensible enough, I think this is a serious issue, and the responses are really varied. Some people tried to suggest fixes, others pointed out it was too late as the ISOs had gone to mirrors... but there were also a suprising number of 'who cares' and all out flames.

      Humm. Fedora have a lot to learn, and the standard 'Fedora is for hobbiests and Redhat is for people that don't want to get dirty' does really cut it. All distros should make an effort not to break things outside of their footprint. Pointing out how bad microsoft are at co-existing is no defense, the idea is to rise above not sink to their level.

      Anyway. read the thread and see what you think. It may remind you that Fedora isn't for everyone. I think its an excellent distro.. but they're not the best at releases and pr.

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    3. Re:Don't install yet by eswierk · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read the relevant Bugzilla thread, you'd be aware that running fixmbr does not solve the problem.

    4. Re:Don't install yet by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative
      No. The bug is not in GRUB. It is caused by the Anaconda installer replacing the CHS entry in the MBR (even if you don't tell it to modify your partition table. Bad installer!) with the one the kernel reports. This then means that Windows XP will often not recognise the drive geometry and will fall over in a mangled heap. Fortunately the LBA data is still correct. You can repair the damage with this command:
      sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H240 /dev/hda
      On some systems a value of 255 is required instead of 240, although you can try both, since they will not damage your system (both will give valid entries, but one may not be understood by XP).
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  4. running it right now by codepunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really like it alot, so far no problems. The only thing I don't like about a fedora box is that I have to hunt around for weeks to get the necessary multimedia stuff in it. It ships with full blown mozilla, that will be gotten rid of here shortly in favor of firefox. Great distro but alot of post install work to make it into a usable desktop.

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  5. Fedora Core 2 wins the vote of this Debianite by AirLace · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FC has finally won me over following half a decade of Debian zealotry (much of that spent maintaining several packages and participating in the Debian development cycle). Twice a year, FC provides a fairly stable release that I can share with friends, and allows me to track the latest software releases without destabilizing my system as Debian unstable (and even testing) used to. I think Fedora has really hit the sweet spot by releasing a stable platform every 6 months and then making it easy for users to keep their applications up-to-date (with apt-rpm) without being forced into upgrades of glibc or other core libraries at the same time.

    That, and the fact that FC is actually _more_ free than Debian following the prompt removal of all MP3 and similar tained code leaves me asking:
    What more could you want from a distro? The latest FC2 installer was particularly stunning, making LVM2 setup trivial for the first time. This is really what Debian should have been.

    1. Re:Fedora Core 2 wins the vote of this Debianite by jaylee7877 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wouldn't Redhat 7.3 be a more suitable distribution for someone switching from the Debian Camp to the Redhat camp. Redhat 7.3 is about as "bleeding edge" as Debian unstable :)

    2. Re:Fedora Core 2 wins the vote of this Debianite by FauxPasIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Life's too short to run Gentoo

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    3. Re:Fedora Core 2 wins the vote of this Debianite by el-spectre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't a matter of philosophy, it's a matter of legality. MP3 has licensing costs. So do most video formats. To get many windows media movies to play you have to borrow DLLs from windows.

      If Fedora shipped this stuff w/o paying the licensing, they'd get their ass sued off.

      If you want a free (beer) distro, you can't have costly items included. Besides, it's easy (run a specific command easy, not 'tweak the kernel and recompile' easy) to install mp3 support, mplayer, etc.

      You either pay with money or your time. Want the distro free? then you gotta learn to install the extra stuff.

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  6. Upgrade issues by bobdehnhardt · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've upgraded to boxes so far, one from Fedora Core 1 and the other from Red Hat 9. Both have had issues.

    On the RH9 -> FC2 upgrade (4-year-old Compaq Deskpro), there was an issue with the grub.conf file that prevented the system from booting. Fortunately, I had burned the rescue CD and was able to go in and fix it. Lesson learned: make sure you have a bootable disk available! This looked like a major issue at first glance, but turned out to be fairly minor.

    On the FC1 -> FC2 upgrade (Dell Inspiron 5100), the actual upgrade went quite smoothly. However, I've been unable to build drivers for my Agere-based Proxim wireless card under the 2.6 kernel. After wrestling with it for several hours, I've decided to throw in the towel and buy a Prism-based card.

    In both cases, I've seen an error message pop up when first logging in to an X session. It appears to be a remnant of the Xfree86 install that wasn't removed or completely replaced by the new X.org stuff.

    In all, not too bad, but there's still room for improvement....

  7. but..... by myusername · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will it install on my P-P-P-Powerbook?

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  8. Fedora MULTIMEDIA made EASY by illtud · · Score: 4, Informative

    I really like it alot, so far no problems. The only thing I don't like about a fedora box is that I have to hunt around for weeks to get the necessary multimedia stuff in it.

    I found this info quite by chance after moving from RHN to yum after installing Fedora core. I've posted this before, but here it is again:

    Add these lines to your yum.conf (watch out for the slashcode extra spaces in the baseurl line):

    [freshrpms]
    name=Fedora Linux $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms
    baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora /linux/$rel easever/$basearch/freshrpms

    And for all your patent-encumbered multimedia needs, you just need do:

    % yum install mplayer
    % yum install xine
    % yum install [whatever else you want]

    and it'll resolve all dependencies and keep you away from rpm-hell but still within RH's rpm goodness.

    NOTE - freshrpms haven't got Feodra Core 2 rpms yet - give them time!