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Cartoon Guide to Federal Spectrum Policy

js7a writes "The New America Foundation has published The Cartoon Guide to Federal Spectrum Policy (pdf). An excellent 14 page guide that everyone should print a few copies of to have handy in the backpack or car. Learn what would happen if the government regulated speech the same way they regulate airwaves. Learn the truth about microbroadcasting, smart radio, and so-called intererence (all previously covered on Slashdot.) Learn more creative ways to tell Congress to stop giving away public resources to private corporations. Make the most of your rights to use unlicensed wireless, before it's too late."

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  1. Licenses and power limits... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These guys just don't get it.

    Loud speakers are regulated too. Tonight at midnight local time, go out to your car, open the windows, and turn up the radio as loud as it will go. Cops will be visiting you shortly for distrubing the piece. See, you need a license if you're going to speak so loudly such that your sound is going to travel beyond your property and/or personal area.

    These are just outlandish comparisions that don't hold water...

    1. Re:Licenses and power limits... by gumbi+west · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You may want to read some other information about this topic (or the cartoon itself), he is trying to defend whispering.

      The valid point here is that spread spectrum could allow significantly more dense communication using RF. This would lead to more microbroadcasters (read whisperers) to be able to broadcast.

    2. Re:Licenses and power limits... by Enry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With today's RF technology, you probably could pack the channels closer together. But you still have the problem with getting a channel at (for example) 101.7, but get it with static at 101.5 and 101.9. Not as bad now as it was 10 years ago, but it's still a problem.

      One of the cartoons implied that the military and police frequency get unused most of the time and the public should get access to those frequencies. It's shortsighted and stupid. The 1% of the time where the police or military need the frequency is important enough to demand they have full access to it. See the communication problems on 9/11 for more information on that.

    3. Re:Licenses and power limits... by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These guys just don't get it.

      No, you don't get it. There have been previous slashdot stories on the subject.

      Loud speakers are regulated too.

      Exactly! And they want SIMILAR sorts of regulations on radio! There is no objection to reasonable regulations on volume. People shouldn't be throwing out a hundred-kilowatts of radio any more than they should be driving around with a 200 decibel car.

      These are just outlandish comparisions that don't hold water.

      Yes they do. If they seem "outlandish" it's only because you aren't familiar with the science and because they they wrote it as a cartoon for public consumption. Everything they wrote is based on REAL PHYSICS and REAL radio technology. Radio and sound really do behave in almost exactly the same manner and their comparisons, though simplified, are reasonable. You just have to go to other websites if you want to get into the physics and engineering.

      Particularly important is pages 2-3. They reffer to the difference between OLD-DUMB radio and NEW-SMART radio. FCC regulations are based on 70 year old dumb radio technology. New smart radio technology is simply no longer confused by many forms of supposed "interference".

      A dumb microphone cannot distinguish between two conversations going on at the same room. Dumb radio. According to FCC rules only one person can speak at a time. Hook up a brain to a pair of ears and you can be standing in the middle of a cocktail party with a dozzen people speaking at once and you can mentally "tune-in" to whichever conversation you want. Smart radio. You still need volume limits, but many people can all speak at once.

      Hell, some forms of supposed "interference" actually IMPROVE smart radio reception. Old-dumb radio has to crank up the volume to shout over multi-path interference. New smart radio actually gets BETTER reception from multi-path interference. New smart radio actually gets to talk quieter because of multi-path interference, rather than shouting louder like old-dumb radio.

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  2. They need to regulate. by domodude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FCC needs to regulate the air waves. Given, they do go a bit far in some cases. What if they did not? Personally, I would not like to be driving down the road listening to some nice music on the radio only to have it interrupted by death metal or the sounds of porn. That 802.11a/b/g connection you are using would be a whole hell of a lot less secure and reliable if they did not regulate.

    1. Re:They need to regulate. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the 2.4GHz frequency band didn't have a power limit regulation on it, then it'd simply turn into a game of "biggest transmitter wins". Mega companies could just soak your house in 2.4GHz signals and therefore all of today's WiFi devices would get blown out of the water.

    2. Re:They need to regulate. by gumbi+west · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is a primer on spread spectrum. It covers some points you might find interesting. like: The military uses it because it is resistent to jaming AND when you use it you are less likely to jam another broadcast.

    3. Re:They need to regulate. by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, that assumes the "other" broadcast is only using part of the available bandwidth on the band. If the jamming is wide enough to cover the whole band, spreading the signal over the band still isn't going to get you anywhere.

      So, jamming does become harder, but not impossible.

  3. You don't have the right to heckle... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We've seen this several times along the campaign trail this year, and we're likely to see it several more. Try interrupting a candidate by yelling anything while he's trying to speak, and you're going to get thrown out of the venue.

    See, the owners of the venue have the right to decide who gets to speak on their property, and to throw out the people they don't want there.

    1. Re:You don't have the right to heckle... by tukkayoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But the "venue" in this case are publicly owned airwaves, are they not? In essence, nobody owns them.

      The question is, how much of the spectrum should remain open to the public and how much of the spectrum should be allocated to licensees, and how much interference (if any) on licensed airwaves is permissable and is it practical to allow portions of the spectrum remain unlicensed?

      Most of their analogies seem relavent. Yeah, you may not be able to shout over/interupt a candidate (which would essentially be the equivalent of attempting to use the same part of the spectrum that the candidate is "shouting" over), but you are, generally speaking, allowed to speak in softer tones to those in your immediate vicinity (referred to as "whispering" in the cartoons).

      If it is true that advances in technology allow radio signals to more intelligently distinguish and filter out different signals from different sources, perhaps instead of licensing the entire spectrum (or letting a lot of the spectrum go to waste), they should simply mandate that devices have the technology to "intelligently" distinguish and filter signals.

    2. Re:You don't have the right to heckle... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it is true that advances in technology allow radio signals to more intelligently distinguish and filter out different signals from different sources, perhaps instead of licensing the entire spectrum (or letting a lot of the spectrum go to waste), they should simply mandate that devices have the technology to "intelligently" distinguish and filter signals.

      The logic that the FCC usually uses is that the first group of users allowed to use a given band are declared the "primary users" and have the right to expect that their service will not be interfered with by any future services. Any additional "secondary users" must respect the primary service's ability to operate, and they're the ones who end up with 100% of the burden to protect the primary service. That is to say, if you want the primary service's devices to be smart enough to filter your secondary service's signal out... you're on the hook for providing the filters.

  4. Is it just me or... by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...this pdf looks like a japanese VCR user's manual?

    1. Re:Is it just me or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, but my VCRs never contain anti-govermental/pro-anarchistic propaganda. Would be fun though.

      "This VCR uses the Betamax system. Rebel against VHS! Dispose of the false standards corporationalism has forced upon us! Revolt! FREE YOURSELF! Not for children under the age of 6."

  5. Cartoon rights guides == great by jb.hl.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sort of thing is the best way to get something through to the public. What's more likely to get people interested: pages of plain text or a comic strip?

    Norml have some excellent comics which do exactly the same thing: put across an issue in an interesting way.

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    1. Re:Cartoon rights guides == great by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 5, Funny

      This sort of thing is the best way to get something through to the public. What's more likely to get people interested: pages of plain text or a comic strip?

      Thank you. I'll remember your post next time I try to explain to someone why the education system isn't doing its job...

    2. Re:Cartoon rights guides == great by Jerf · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll remember your post next time I try to explain to someone why the education system isn't doing its job...

      I doubt it. His post wasn't in cartoon form.

  6. Free Propaganda by space+oddity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sure what a few copies of this in the back of your car would do? Maybe you can hand it out with candy at your local school. It doesn't add to any debate, it provides no support for its assertations and propagates myths.

    Not helpful

  7. The difference is by Wes+Janson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    your loud speaker can't be heard fifty miles away, and your whispering can't be intercepted or interefere with everyone within a few blocks of your location. Left out that minor detail. It's all a matter of scale.

    1. Re:The difference is by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, Part 15 of the FCC Rules outlines legal use of nearly every band in low-power situations.

      They're very loose when you consider what we're talking about. You can broadcast on the 88-108MHz FM band so long as you keep yourself to a whisper. In fact, a "pirate" AM radio station on a college campus that manages to confine all of its signal to the campus area isn't breaking the law at all...

  8. Right to recieve... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everybody has the right to transmit on the FM radio band!

    What, you don't believe me? Just go to your local Best Buy or Circuit City location and look at the iPod accessories. You'll see several models of battery powered FM transmitters. Yep, you can plug those into to your iPod and go, no FCC license required, but batteries are not included.

    Of course, the catch is that it has to comply with some pretty low power limits but that's the point. You're only allowed to affect the radios in your immediate area, not to set up a major broadcaster that'd interfere with the already licensed stations.

    See, everybody else has the right to hear what the licenced transmitters are putting out, and your right to broadcast falls when it comes into contact with their right to recieve.

    1. Re:Right to recieve... by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For the most part you can have my "right to receive". When I tune across the spectrum, >95% of what's playing I don't like to hear. Ergo, I don't listen to the radio ror more than 40 minutes a week in toto -- well, with one important exception: I gotta have my "Off the Hook" which is available at 2600.com. You see, they are supported by the listeners, and not corporate interests. (I really need to send some money to those guys.)

      I'd totally be willing to listen to some pirate radio if they played the music I like to listen to.

    2. Re:Right to recieve... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if you don't interfere with broadcasters you can still get it trouble. If you set up a "pirate" station at low-to-medium power on an unused frequency the FCC can shut you down.

      It's a crude and inefficient regulatory system designed to work with receivers using 1930's technology.

      >You're only allowed to affect the radios in your immediate area, not to set up a major broadcaster that'd interfere with the already licensed stations.

      Your cellphone doesn't interfere with mine even if we're next to each other. We could even be on the same frequency if we have CDMA phones with different spreading codes.

      The article tries to make the point that we have technology like cellphones today and can start regulating on the basis of "follow the rules of the road" rather than letting 1935 receiver technology force us into "only one car on the road at a time".

    3. Re:Right to recieve... by Jardine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I gotta have my "Off the Hook" which is available at 2600.com. You see, they are supported by the listeners, and not corporate interests. (I really need to send some money to those guys.)

      The entire radio station (WBAI in New York) is listener supported. The great thing about Off the Hook is that almost all of the shows since the beginning are available in mp3 (there are a few shows that have no known recording). So you can listen to Off the Hook from 1989 onwards. I'm up to Oct 1992.

    4. Re:Right to recieve... by alienw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you set up a "pirate" station at low-to-medium power on an unused frequency the FCC can shut you down.

      That's because it probably interferes with another licensed station (not necessarily in the FM band -- ever hear about harmonics?). Otherwise, that frequency would be allocated to somebody else.

      It's a crude and inefficient regulatory system designed to work with receivers using 1930's technology.

      Most receivers still use something pretty close to 1930s technology. Your basic radio receiver hasn't changed THAT much.

      Your cellphone doesn't interfere with mine even if we're next to each other.

      Sure, but that only works as long as there are more available channels than cellphones wanting to use one. Ever hear of Shannon's law?

      We could even be on the same frequency

      Only if you use TDM and there is more channel bandwidth than you can use.

      The article tries to make the point that we have technology like cellphones today and can start regulating on the basis of "follow the rules of the road" rather than letting 1935 receiver technology force us into "only one car on the road at a time".

      Use more analogies, see where that gets you. Unfortunately, that isn't how the physical world operates. The radio spectrum is a limited resource, and there isn't enough room for everyone and their dog.

    5. Re:Right to recieve... by nosphalot · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We could even be on the same frequency

      Only if you use TDM and there is more channel bandwidth than you can use.

      Actually CDMA can support a large number of phones on the same frequency. I don't remember the average number, but its something like 16 or 32 per frequency. Walsh codes are a very cool thing.

  9. Ok well by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens when I decide to be an asshole about it? Say you are happily using your WiFi connection at home, along with others in the neighbourhood. You are happier still since there is no power restriction, so you've cranked it a bit and it reaches all corners of your house.

    Then I come along and decide that I don't like you all, for whatever reason. So I build a transmitter that operates on the WiFi band, but spews noise with 2000 watts of power through a massive antenna. Suddenly your WiFi is worthless. However there's nothing you can do, since there's no regulation. What I'm doing is legal, though assinie.

    We have to share the airwaves just like we have to share roads. As we've found out all through history, you need rules when people have to share something or some assholes will abuse it. Hence, regulations on the airwaves.

    I'm not saying they are perfect and need to changes, but they ARE necessary.

    1. Re:Ok well by Fjandr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Much like there are laws regarding abuse of speech, it would be easy to make common sense laws about abuse of radio. Somewhere upstream of this post is an example of taking a loudspeaker out at midnight and seeing if they regulate speech. Yes, speech is regulated: destructive uses of speech are not allowed. It also makes sense that uses of airwaves that do not materially harm others should be allowed. Note, while I said it would be easy, that only means physically easy. However, the modern framework of government makes it impossible to pass common-sense laws. There are always more than enough people opposed to anything relating to common sense to derail them from passing.

      Your example about broadcasting noise at inordinately large power levels in order to block regular signal would fall under abuse of spectrum. Since it's pretty easy to track a signal back to its source, it's pretty easy to keep most abuses in check. This, of course, is not a complete solution for the same reason that sound ordinances are not. You can have someone driving around who the police never find. Same with spectrum abuse. It's just something people have to live with though. Nothing is a truly complete solution, and iron-fisted regulation is worse than many other possible results...

      I don't think regulations (being mostly administrative and bureaucratic in nature) are ever really necessary. Just simple laws written to allow damages and penalties for abuse. The law is not an appropriate medium for detailing all possible uses and how they should occur, nor are bureaucracies. It IS appropriate to outline what is considered abusive behaviour, or steps to identify abusive behaviour within a (socio-politically) accepted context. It'll never be quite right, but then the law is rarely entirely right, and often entirely wrong.

      Not that it really matters. Most people will be sheep most of the time. They baa amongst themselves without any real effect, taking sides among those who actually follow through. The few people with integrity AND a clue AND the willpower will attempt to fight the influence of the few people with no integrity who lust for power (and the few with no clue who blunder into power). That's been human history, and there are no signs of it changing.

    2. Re:Ok well by logicnazi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No regulations huh? How do you expect to deal with patents? Surely you agree that haveing *some* compensation system for inventions has proven to be extremely beneficial (perhaps our system is far from the best but I challenge you to produce any reasonable system that just relies on common sense).

      What about cases like the invention of the telephone where both Bell and his competitor turned in claims on the same day. If there weren't precisce rules about how much detail is needed for a patent and whether it is the individual who invented the item first or submitted the patent first who gets credited then the entire process would descend to chaos. You don't honestly think bitter rivals would accept an unfavorable interpratation of these common sense rules. Even worse such an enviornment is incredibly unpredictable. If companies can't see precisely laid out rules to do things like pay taxes or submit patents their will be much more risk to do buisness in the country. Having regulation even if it is bad regulation is quite important.

      Certainly regulation can go overboard and laws are written to be interpreted by a judge. Still it is incumbent on a government to make these laws as reasonable precise as possible. If people have to guess how powerfull a radio transmitter they must build everyone is worse off. Quite possibly some do build over a limit and start causing unwanted interferance and others, afraid of potential penalties, wouldn't use the spectrum to it's full potential. This is not to say I disagree with the message in the cartoon. The problem is not that the air waves are regulated it is that they are regulated poorly, even our acoustic laws give decible levels so we have less disagreements about what the law says.

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    3. Re:Ok well by nick0909 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually it is quite rare for people to go to jail for intentionall jamming. There have been two cases this year that I recall, and the involved multiple (30+) cases of jamming local law enforcement frequencies before they took action. One guy in LA is notorious for doing it, has even been to jail for it once, and continues.

      In my jurisdictional area we have a guy that jams amateur frequencies any time they are being used to assist in emergencies. The amateurs working these situations are Disaster Service Workers under CA Office of Emergency Services and are either ARES or RACES affiliated, and he jams the nets. Our local law enforcement wanted to act, but it is a federal issue, so we gave it to Riley Hollingsworth at the FCC. After months of proof being sent in for review, swore statements by multiple officers that witnessed the crime, Riley sent a letter and told him to stop. Nothing ever came of it, it was a waste of time for everyone.

      I wish people would actually go to jail for these things, but they normally don't. So go ahead, jam anyone you want, apparently the FCC only cares about getting money for the bands they can and never spending it on enforcement.

      Nick
      Butte County Sheriff Communications
      [not presumed to be a statement of my employing agency]

    4. Re:Ok well by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      spews noise with 2000 watts of power through a massive antenna
      That's why God invented the straight pin.

      Stick one of those through your cable and watch the circuits fry.

      Ah, the days of CB radio "wars". Good times, good times.

    5. Re:Ok well by nick0909 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, open investigations leads me to not want to talk in details, but public knowledge is that he has a combination of grudges against the people using the frequencies as well as physical disabilities that leaves him little other entertainment than his radio.

      For people that he doesn't have bad past history with he is decent with on the radio. I wouldn't call him a bad person as much as misaligned. While jail time probably wasn't the best solution for this case, I believe a temporary revocation of his radio license would have sent the message that the behavior is not acceptable and personal issues should be resolved in other ways.

      On the other hand, I was once trying to radio in a bicyclist down on a back road and requesting medics respond and I was jammed. We belive it was "our guy" by signal strength readings from around the county during the incident and he has history of jamming the person I was reporting the medical call to. That case we don't have enough to legally proove it was him or not, but it sure made me mad either way; whoever did it directly delayed medical attention to an injured person.

    6. Re:Ok well by Micro$will · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Never underestimate the power of those little Radio Shack walkie talkies. Place one of them close enough to the recieving point and all of the victim's "CQs" will be for nothing. You can have all the power in the world to transmit, but if there's a 400mw transmitter deadkeyed on your home channel half a block away, you aren't recieving anything. It takes only a few minutes to change the TX crystal, and with a few D cell batteries the damn thing will be on for a week or more.

      Then there was the guy that just went and cut about 18" off the other guy's RG-8. That stuff is a pain to splice.

  10. Re:OFFTOPIC!? by Bastian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you mods even reading the article? The entire cartoon guide works on a comparison between achoustic transmissions (rock concerts, conversations, etc.) and radio transmissions.

    In that light, the poster's response is a perfectly valid critique of one of the assertions of this cartoon guide.

    Don't go modding people "Offtopic" if you don't even know what the topic is!

  11. How about Italy? by eric76 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read an article a few years ago that said that Italy allows anyone to open a radio or tv station that wishes to do so.

    According to the article the results were pretty interesting. An enormous choice of things to listen to, some with really limited interest to most of us. One example the article gave was a 24 hour Hare Krishna station broadcasting nothing but chanting 24 hours a day.

    I've long wished that the same rights were available in the U.S. If the law was changed tomorrow, I'd be in the market tomorrow for the equipment to set up my own radio station. If it could reach 20 miles, I'd be happy.

    1. Re:How about Italy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      One example the article gave was a 24 hour Hare Krishna station broadcasting nothing but chanting 24 hours a day.

      No, that was actually a Bush Presidential Address regarding the Iraqi war.

  12. Human audible frequency spectrum.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a typo in page 16 (page 10 of the pdf file.

    Humans can hear frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz
    not 20 kHz to 20000 kHz.

    The 0 kHz in the radio makes me think somebody typoed all "Hz" words to "kHz".

  13. Cartoon Guide, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like they are finally reaching out to Dubya!

  14. Why you can't use an FM radio RECEIVER on a PLANE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a little tidbit of knowledge for you folks:

    Modern FM receivers work by mixing a beat frequency with the frequency you want to receive. You wind up with (a+b) and (a-b), one of which is trivially filtered out with a high (or low) pass filter.

    Now there's a nice, simple, standard design (and corresponding set of chips) for handling FM at a particular frequency. So given your target frequency (a), you can choose a beat frequency (b) such that (a-b) matches the standard chip frequency.

    For standard US FM radio, that beat (b) frequency is right in the middle of the aircraft band.

    Aircraft use AM for their comm gear.

    So your little FM walkman receiver can jam air-to-ground comms.

    That's a RECEIVER! Once you get into transmitters, it's really easy to jam everything around for miles. Not only on your frequency, which may be quite wide, but also on all the harmonics.

    Take it from someone who used to jam his little brother's radio reception. "Turn it down or I turn it OFF!"

  15. Re:OMFG by j0hnn135 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Notice the guys with their arms pointed up... Kinda a reference to Nazi's if you ask me.

    I agree with the overall message that the FCC should allow more free spectrum. If we look at the proliferation of devices on 2.4 and 5.8, we can see the sucess of the unlicense space versuse the licensed space. Anyone want to bet where more money is flowing through? If we took down 2.4 and 5.8, would the economy suffer more than if we took down any other two spectrums?

    Free Willy!

    :-)

  16. Re:Air waves? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Informative

    " Regulating air waves? For what? I thought radios work with electromagnetic waves.."

    Mostly because of those EM waves that reflect off of that layer of air called the ionosphere. If all terrestrial EM communications had to be line-of-sight, we might not even have an FCC.

  17. factual error by inio · · Score: 2, Informative

    One error popped out while I was reading it. In the section near the end on failures of the analogy, it lists the human hearing range as 20-20,000kHz. That should be Hz, not kHz. Right next to that they list the usable EM spectrum as 0Hz-30GHz. I've never seen a radio that could tune below 10kHz.

    1. Re:factual error by nick0909 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Correct, while Very Low Frequency radios exist the bands are not usable. In the 50s there was much experimentation in these areas, but mosly listening to nature make noises and seeing how transmissions on these bands affected nature. Naturally occurring ELF & VLF radio phenomena make it very hard to reliably use this area for communications, especially when you can bump up a few hz and get much better results. Also, how would you transmit on 0Hz? Your antenna would be infinitely large...

    2. Re:factual error by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Navy has used 76 Hz to communicate with submarines 300-400 ft down. Stations, ITU Licences and Services Below 22 KHz.

  18. Rediculous by FractusMan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A Comic format to emphasize the point of the very important issue of radio regulation? No. If it took making the article into a cartoon format to get through to someone, that particular person most likely did not care enough about the issue in the first place, and if they do now, they've already shown themselves to be less than active in the area. Chances are they'll remain so.

    No, a properly written article on the benefits and draw backs of liscencing the airwaves would have been better - using frank and somewhat comical analogies is fine, but keep it real. This whole comic is just a bunch of "OMG THE GOVERMENT OWNS OUR AIR" crap, very light on facts and counter-arguments.

  19. We need a more 'Democratic' system by DRWHOISME · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like a wireless network instead of 'broadcasting' which is outdated. Broadcasting is old school and is a waste of time. We need a public longdistance wifi network.

  20. Umm, the Military is Losing Out Too... by airider · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last I heard the military is losing out to commercial interests as well. They're losing out on new freqs for expanded comms and radar to commercial interests. Main reason...government agencies are forbidden to lobby other government agencies. In the end the military is fighting for the scraps as well since they can't "contribute" (cough, cough) to the FCC's decision making process the way corporations can.

  21. What about old radios? by nwbvt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "...whereas radios have until recently had no advanced computer processors to analyze radio waves. But as the computer revolution comes to radio, this is rapidly changing."

    How recently is this guy talking about? Will the radio in my '92 Acura be able to work like that? What about even older devices? Or would the recommended policy make all those radios obsolete?

    I'm generally against overuse of government power, but it seems the new technology has to fully overtake the old technology before the government changes their policy.

    Or maybe this is a dumbed down version of the argument and I'm missing something.

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  22. Re:license? no! own! by LPetrazickis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't reform the FCC. Auction off frequencies, with permanent ownership rights, to the public!

    Oh, for fuck's sake, do we have to apply the property meme to every fucking thing humanity discovers?

    Shiny rock? Mine! Sexy mate? Mine! Territory? Mine! Land between fences? Mine! Prisoners of War? Mine! Novel? Mine! Audio recording? Mine! Right to build a telephone? Mine and mine alone!

    OBEY, proles. I own all.

    Et cetera.

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    Abolishment of private property might be a bit extreme, but can we please stop inventing new forms of it? It's not benefitting anyone.

    None of the great innovations, discoveries, or achievements in human history were made for material gain.

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  23. Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Here is a primer on spread spectrum.

    Key word being primer.

    Look, Spread Spectrum isn't a magik nostrum to solve all ills. It makes it harder to actually intercept the signal but it raises the noise floor across the band it is operating on. Get enough devices operating and the noise floor comes up and smacks you. Toss the regulations and everyone starts cranking up the outpower and that floor will hit you pretty damned fast unless YOU crank up your power, which means your neighbors have to up THEIR power to overcome your contribution to the noise level, spiral out of control to madness.

    Fact: Spectrum is not an infinite resource.

    Fact: Spectrum, like every other finite public resource will be allocated in some fashion.

    Discussing whether the current bandplan is sensible in the age of WiFi and other emerging technologies is a different debate, one I would love to get into; however there isn't much point of trying that in this thread:

    1. This cartoon is a bunch of propaganda from some corporate consortium wanting to SELL lots of small RF devices who managed to tool some leftist think tank to make their arguments for them in terms of anti-corporatism. Kinda silly if you think about it. But with that sort of red meat hanging, the "down with authority" crowd is going to be out in force on this article.

    2. This is slashdot, where the average poster is marginally qualified to discuss complex computer issues, I really doubt any sort of serious discussion would be possible on a subject so outside the average user's area of expertise. (Since the more ignorant the poster the greater the urge to post.)

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    1. Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, wrong actually.

      You're wrong, as is anyone who conflates "spectrum" and "bandwidth".

      The latest research shows that in networks of smart transmitters/receivers, if you use all the available tricks, the total bandwidth of all the participants goes up proportional to the number of nodes in the network

      And also, if everyone became vegetarian, world hunger would end.

      If you're suggesting a fairly high level of technology be mandatory for every radio, then that is just a different approach to advocating for government regulation.

      Smart networks will be crippled if someone fires up a large homebrew antenna, so there still must be regulation to protect spectrum and ensure bandwidth.

  24. Freedom of Speech Primer by ReadParse · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here we go again. Let's review what Freedom of Speech is not:

    1) The right to say something offensive to somebody before they beat your ass. You're protected under the law as a victim of the crime of battery, but the perp didn't violate your free speech rights.
    2) The right to say something at work that gets you fired. Your employer has no obligation to let you say anything you want. They have the right to put their own best interests first with regard to your speech.
    3) And yes, the right to broadcast on radio and television. It's not a right, it's a privilege. More about that in a moment.

    So, what is this mysterious freedom of speech that people talk about all the time? Well, it's hard for many Americans (most westerners, actually) to understand what it really means, because we've never known anything else. Well, like calling President Bush an idiot, for example. You're allowed to do that. You won't get shot or thrown in jail for saying it. You're allowed to say basicaly anything you want to and the federal government can't come after you for it, with some obvious exceptions:

    1) If you suggest that you're going to harm the President or anybody else under Secret Service protection.
    2) If you call in a bomb threat or any other kind of threat.
    3) If you lie to an investigator or in a court of law

    ...things like that. It's understandable that, since most westerners have never experienced anything that comes close to a free speech violation, we have a way of making them up. Things like this are a good example.

    Now, back to the topic at hand. It's probably a great idea, now that radios are getting good enough to distinguish the signal they want from the signal they don't want. Of course, you can't really expect the government to jump on this development immediately. One great thing about radio is that it's really backward compatible. You can still use radios from many decades ago and they work just fine.

    The part where I get upset is when people get upset about evil corporations buying the airwaves. Yes, the FCC has had some pretty crappy decisions in the last 15 years or so about their ownership rules, allowing companies like Clear Channel and Cox to reallly build major empires. But it's not a free speech violation. We do not and have never had any right to broadcast on public airwaves within certain frequencies. The reason for this is that those frequences are not unlimited. In fact, they're quite limited. So they are a public trust and must be regulated by the government. Don't like it? Go invent something better.

    RP

    1. Re:Freedom of Speech Primer by beakburke · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you are a bit confused, the 5th ammendment says you DON'T have to testify. I don't see where your apparent contradiction happens. You don't have to testify, however, if you DO choose to testify under oath and they can prove you lied, then you are guilty of perjury.

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  25. Who is the "New America Foundation"? by CaptainCheese · · Score: 4, Interesting

    from their site "The Foundation invests in outstanding individuals and policy ideas that transcend the conventional political spectrum."
    and they're funded by "public intellectuals, civic leaders, and business executives." Although if these "intellectuals, civic leaders, and business executives." are so public, why don't they want to publicly put their names to this organisation.

    It seems to me that they're a professional political lobbyists - guns for hire, if you will - but who pays their wages? I don't like the idea of raising the profile of an organisation without knowing exactly who they are... ...after all, for all we know, next month they'll get hired by neo-nazis and start promoting death camps and slavery!

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  26. Not all or nothing by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spectrum regulation does not have to be all-or-nothing. There can be heavily regulated sections and non-regulated sections (as long as you broadcast within the specified non-regulated range).

    Some applications of radio/TV/ephones work better for pre-defined bands and some work better under free-for-all.

    Let's have ranges set aside for some of each and let the market-place decide which they will choose.

  27. Cancer? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With all the new uses of radio waves coming, won't we be bombarded by too much radiation? If every frequency just about is being used, that must mean a lot of electron particles flying through the air and through our brains and asses. (Please no jokes about goatse sitting on a cell phone.) How far are we from dangerous levels at this time?

  28. Interesting taste by Scott+Richter · · Score: 3, Funny
    One example the article gave was a 24 hour Hare Krishna station broadcasting nothing but chanting 24 hours a day. I've long wished that the same rights were available in the U.S.

    I bet people don't borrow your CDs much

  29. No way by Scott+Richter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With all the new uses of radio waves coming, won't we be bombarded by too much radiation? If every frequency just about is being used, that must mean a lot of electron particles flying through the air and through our brains and asses. (Please no jokes about goatse sitting on a cell phone.) How far are we from dangerous levels at this time?

    Nowhere close. Radio waves cannot effect electronic transitions in DNA. Period. At that point, it has to be a massive radiation density argument, and the W/m2 created by radio transmission isn't even in the ballpark.

    This is one thing that doesn't cause cancer, regardless of what the talking heads on the news would lead you to believe in the name of ratings.

    1. Re:No way by Jott42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The blood clumping is very very theoretical: it only looked at two perfect spherical bloodcells in infinite space of water, and did see an increase in the attractive force betwen them.
      The amount of simplification is staggering, and to go from there to an actual medical condition like blood-clotting is just pure speculation. A lot of verification has to be done.

  30. A type of red herring by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me explain. It was an argument used to discredit the idea of collective ownership and control of resources. The parable goes, villagers had a common plot of land that everyone could graze their animals on. No one person stood to benefit from conserving, so everyone overgrazed the common land. Contrast that to private ownership: where one person owns the land, they benefit more by not overgrazing.

    The people who held the land in common were just DUMB! Plenty of societies manage public resources well. Fire departments, police, roads, and parks, for example. Plenty of private owners utterly destroy the resource they own, simply taking the profits and moving on to exploit someplace else. The poor schmucks with the common grazing land were DOUBLY DUMB if they bought the rich guy's story and let him buy all their publicly held resources out from under them. I know our city zoo has gone to absolute hell after they privatized it. Try getting water in the third world from the newly privatized systems. Tragedy of the commons, my ass. Tragedy of overprivatization and lack of accountability is more like it.

    But hey, at least this rich guy used a story. Throughout most of history they have simply used goons.

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