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University Capitulates, Switches Off Spam Filters

Heraklit writes "As reported on German news site Heise, the system administrators of the Technical University of Braunschweig have temporarily given up the fight against spam. Because of the legal obligation to deliver all mail and of the delay time exceeding critical 5 days(!), they decided to switch off all filter mechanisms. Before, the 20 servers dedicated to processing e-mail alone had been breaking down under a load of 100000 unprocessed mail messages, ca. 98% of which had been spam or viruses. ... A similar e-mail jam occurred recently at the IT central of the German Federal Government. Is this the beginning of the end of e-mail?" (The Fish may be useful.)

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  1. Question? by untouchable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anybody know the filtering methods they were using before they decided to toss everything to wind?

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    1. Re:Question? by Donny+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Good question. I would think that 100,000 emails is really not a lot, even for 20 low-end PCs.

      I'm sure that's not the point - it's easy to deliver 100K mails, but the problem is that you've got to manually check for false positives and un-mark them as good email.

    2. Re:Question? by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It looks to me that they were not delivering spam mails. Otherwise their obligation to deliver everything would have been fulfilled.

      Hence, a difficulty for the end users to mark themselves the false positives....

    3. Re:Question? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you don't care about false positives, you don't block spam at the server by sending it to /dev/nul. You put it in a special folder that the end user can check. That way, false positives can be received, and you can adjust your filters as needed. Presumably, their spam filters were getting so overloaded that they couldn't even do this much.

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    4. Re:Question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am currently filtering out 98% of the spam on the server and have had ZERO false positives in two years and 2.9million messages.

      The trouble with false positives is that you you don't know you have them. Unless you manually went through the 2.9 million messages categorized as spam and determined that they were, indeed, spam. In which case there's no point in having a mail filter system!

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    5. Re:Question? by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More than likely they were using spamassassin, but with all the external checks still turned on. They recommend for large sites to turn these off because checking SPEWS, ORDB and Spamcop takes a few vital seconds per message, and when you're delivering more than about 20K messages per day you start getting a backlog.

      I know that we used to do this and while it made spamassassin more effective, it's much faster to do it using a firewall or tcpserver rules. We have a single server delivering 50K+ messages per day and it's all we need. If the load were to double, we could still use the same machine.

      It's worth noting that making these changes with spamassassin and qmail is really easy and would only take about ten or fifteen minutes per server if you know how.

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    6. Re:Question? by markxz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Will the "delete at gateway" be able to delete the high scoring spam, with the medium level spam (+ false positives) going to the user for filtering?

  2. Spam And Viruses by FiberOpPraise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps just disabling spam filters and leaving virus blocks in place would be a less drastic approach. Detecting spam is non-trivial, but detecting viruses is not. They are easily found and the email should be blocked. This is implemented by my ISP (Road Runner NYC). Emails containing viruses are replaced by a text message warning that a virus was sent to the email address.

    1. Re:Spam And Viruses by slamb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Permanant Failure (5xx SMTP) codes are not safe either. There are many cases where email is relayed before being sent to a system that does virus scanning. (Consider what happens when you use sendmail aliases and virtual domain entries that contain somthing on the order of "user: user@someotherhost.com".)

      They exist, but I do not agree that they are common. Not only do they have to have a rule like that, but they have to not be using virus scanning themselves.

      So, yes, people can get bounces from virus emails from this method. But it's much, much rarer than the other way. And with the randomization these viruses do, no one in particular is targeted.

      The proper way to deal with email worms is to quietly delete them.

      That's a horrible idea. You will have false positives, and those will be important messages. This is why people think email software isn't reliable. It is...but administrators like you configure it in an unreliable way.

    2. Re:Spam And Viruses by RovingSlug · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you want to filter email politely, you must follow these rules.

      One small quibble about a final point in those rules:

      I reject almost any MIME attachment that could be Windows malware. Even .zip files now. I politely ask them to arrange with me another way to send it. (Sending binaries through email isn't such a good idea anyway; it's indirect, and base64 bloats files 50%.)

      It's indirect? What's a good way to transfer binary files that is both direct and secure? ... and archived with a personal note. One handy thing I do for large attachments is to upload them to a http server and send the link. But this is a pain in the ass for anything other than the biggest files. What are the good options otherwise?

    3. Re:Spam And Viruses by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh please, don't give me crap about my ability to do my job.

      You are horribly mistaken about how common both SMTP virus scanning is, and how often the situation I described occurs. Email is relayed for anyone who has a forwarding address, many people who have changed ISPs, lots of people using custom email hosting, and a sizable percentage of the people who own custom domains.

      Virus scanning is becoming common, but is not at all universal. Many email servers scan for viruses only during local delivery, and not when relaying.

      Additionally, some systems use a form of relaying to deliver all email. This is the case for AMaViS in Postfix and "Sendmail Relay" configurations. Someone spitting out 5xx error codes with such a setup will guarantee "MAIL DELIVERY FAILURE" for all. : )

      Old fashion viruses are becoming rare, and someone sending them is likely to find out one way or another. If what they sent is important, they will probably check to see if it arrived.

      The proper response of course, is for venders to start identifying viruses differently than worms. If that were the case, we could send those "You've got virus" emails only in situations where the "From" address is correct. Some vendors do this.

      With all that said, you sir, are hurting reliability of email. I delete several hundred mail delivery status notifications a day, because I no longer have the time or energy to see if they are genuine.

      The sad fact is, email stopped being reliable the moment people began accidentally deleting valid email with their spam. People expect a little unreliability, and can handle it.

    4. Re:Spam And Viruses by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slightly pedantic: the bounce message will go to the address in the forged reply-to header, or from header, or envelope sender.

      I would question quietly deleting such mails. Most of the worm/virus ridden mails that I get come from people who have infected systems and where I am in their address book. They need to know they have an infected system.

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  3. Probably a better alternative... by Milo+of+Kroton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is to inform the students how to install their own software, like Spam Assassin. That would distribute the processing to the people who actually would use it.

  4. It'll never die. by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this the beginning of the end of e-mail?

    I seriously doubt e-mail will ever die. It's FAR too convenient to just give up on. Even if it comes to the worst case scenario where you have to whitelist everyone who wants to send you e-mail, it'll never go away.

    1. Re:It'll never die. by Alan+Hicks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I seriously doubt e-mail will ever die.

      I would agree, but only on a few stipulations. E-mail as we know it will almost certainly die sooner or later, to be replaced with something else that better fits our future needs. Like gopher and http, smtp, pop, and imap will all sooner or later be replaced by another set of protocols. Perhaps they will require something like SPF to reduce spoofed "From" headers. Perhaps they will support or even require encryption? Face it. Sooner or later, e-mail as we know it will die, but only when something else is able to take its place.

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  5. Real Time Blackhole Lists by OldMiner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, if it were my universtiry, I would prefer they started to use a RTBL. The fact of the matter is, if the likely spam isn't sorted out first, I have to try to discern the stuff entirely by hand. And although I can easily pick out Viagra ads, I have relatives and the occasional acquaintence who send mail that looks awfully like spam. Didn't want to type a subject. Used "hello" as the subject. Didn't configure their mail client properly, so their "replyto" looks crazy. Without some initialy spam filtering, I would miss at least some of these -- in fact, I'd probably miss more mail with no filtering than with a judicious blackhole in front of me.

    Love or hate SPEWS and other kinder, gentler RTBLs, they're better than the present choice. It would certainly reduce the load of these email servers to where it could be more easily handled. And, if nothing else, they couldbe used to prioritize mail. Use Spam Assassin or something else to do some initial tag and filter so that mail coming from Asian IPs or originating from mail servers on cable/ADSL networks gets put into the "slow" processing queue while everything else gets sent down the faster pipe.

    </spouting with little to no knowledge>

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    1. Re:Real Time Blackhole Lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The point is, they can't use these blocklists. They're legally obligated to deliver anything that is addressed to one of their users. Dumb, but a valid concern for that kind of institution in Germany.

      I'm one of the guys who wears the mail admin hat an an Australian university (no, I won't say which one) and running "grep spamcop * | grep -c blocked" over today's mail logs (14.25 hours worth, and counting) gets me 1379, no 1384, no 1388 messages blocked so far today. 1398. 1400.

      1402. 1405. I'd love to be more aggressive in our rejections, but the UberAdmins here tell me they've tried and been hamstrung by the need for Universities in particular to be open to (1415) mail our students may need to send us from China, Brazil or (1420) hijacked DSL connections.

      But even Spamcop has its limits. One porn spammer towards the end of last year (before I decided to look for different windmills to tilt at) had a whole Class C he was spamming from, and switched originating IP addresses in an attempt to get past SpamCop. Worked reasonably well, too. Pity his lists were so bad - almost all of the addresses were invalid, so we bounced them, only to get the bounces rejected by their servers, so nearly 1000 pieces of re-bounced spam was ending up coming to Postmaster here per day from these low-lifes at their peak. 1430. We were blocking nearly 10,000 pieces of crap from those clowns per week for a couple of weeks. 1432. 1433.

      Maybe I should put a "XXXXXX spams blocked today" counter on my webpage... 1435... 1437... 1444... 1445...

  6. Client Side Filters by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The students and other users of their mail system will just have to use their own spam filters now.

    It's not the end of the world. There's a few good spam filters for outlook and outlook express, and some really awesome free ones for linux/unix.

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  7. Beginning of the end? by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, but its one more nail in the coffin..

    Something has to be done soon or email just wont be practical to have. Between Spam and viruii its overloading a lot of comanines network feed and servers..

    And don't forget the cost of having to maintain antispam and antiviral solutions..

    I know personally where I'm at, we are hitting over 2/3 of all email is spam/virus. ( i hear we drop 10k a day from the black hole list alone )

    At home its 98%...

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  8. Re:Another riduculous law! by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they providing free internet access? Or are the students paying for it, directly or indirectly? Because if they're paying for it, and legitimate mail gets lost due to the Universitys system, that's probably a basis for somebody to sue them. Failure to provide a service that was paid for. The Uni probably can't take the risk of legal action.

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  9. Re:end of email? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think e-mail is dead, but e-mail as we know it, specificially the SMTP protocol, is long overdue for a retirement party.

    Afterall, the "from" field is a total free-response section in SMTP with no need to authenticate that you're really associated with the address you claim to be. That and other weaknesses are why spam is so hard to kill in the first place.

    We'd be in a much better place if our e-mail system at least had a trustworthy traceback facility so that we affirmatively know who sent the message by default.

  10. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We shut off our email filters too. No need for them now that we go through Postini (http://www.postini.com). They filter the spam before it hits your server, then give each user power to customize their filters and view caught messages.

  11. Re:20 servers for only 100,000 messages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    100K emails per day and we have no problem pushing them through spamassassin on a single server with dual 2.8 xeon processors. How in the world could this place possibly need 20 servers to process this much mail?!

    If they only processed 100,000 messages, they would have processed them long ago and thrown out the mailservers. They would no longer be necessary, given that they'd processed all the mail they're ever going to get.

    But they process 100,000 messages per hour. That's 24 times your 100,000 messages per day. Thus the need for over 20X the hardware you're using.

  12. Solution for US residents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    set up a SPAM filter; send all filtered SPAM to Senators/Representatives who voted *for* the CANSPAM bill.

    Inform them that they can stop receiving your forwarded SPAM when they enact legislation which puts an effective stop to it.

  13. Re:blacklists by AtomicBomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a common misunderstanding. While most web server these spams are pointing to may be located overseas, most of spams are originated from US. Mostly likely from hijacked fast cable/DSL connected home machines.

    You may think it is okay to block email from China or even the whole Asia because you don't know some Asians in person, but please check again where your RAM, mobo, anime etc come from... A lot of companies and university have collaborations overseas as well...

    We don't really have much options left... Basically, you will have to blacklist all the high boardband provider's IP range (rr, earthlink etc)... Sorry, geeks, your email server will no longer work... It is not really an ideal solution. The other idea is kind of similar to secured DNS, ie, mail server retrieves "good IPs" from a central server. Email originated elsewhere are assigned with very low priority or filtered out altogether.

    Everyone needs to be registered with their mail server with the governing body (similar to the domain name idea), say for $100 per IP. It is not that expensive if you really need that... But, prohibitive for spammer... Yes, it makes home run email server more expensive... But, you cannot get a domain name for free anyway. Why should we expect email server to be free? It may be the solution to get the economy of spamming right again.

  14. Re:end of email? by log2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One problem is: who will make this specification? MS? They certainly want to.

    Once this new email2 protocol is invented, how long would it take to be implemented around the world by every admin?

    What happens when that protocol gets hacked (probably by the spammers)?

    I think its the right direction to make an email2 protocol but it wont be easy.

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  15. Re:Parasites by dougmc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    One would think that even spammers would realize that if things go too far, businesses might not carry emails at all anymore.
    Yes, but suppose you're a spammer. A big-time spammer, but still just a single person. You're worried about killing the goose that lays the golden egg, so you cut the spam that you emit by 90%. Your income drops by 90%, but the total spam sent world wide drops by, oh, 0.5%?

    Even if the spammers band together and make a big organziation to self organize and police, spammers by almost by definition dishonest (no honor among theives!), and as soon as one realizes that he can make more money by ignoring the organzation (i.e. almost immediately), he will.

  16. Block Direct Access, use upstream MX record by just+someone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    98% spam and virus's? Damn. Think that the mail is coming from campus.

    Outside world:
    Block direct contact to the mail servers, use an upstream MX record.

    Inside world:
    authenticated SMTP.

  17. Re:end of email? by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Of course more bandwidth is wasted on spam mails, but since I don't see much of it, it doesn't bother me so much.
    What's OK for you may not be OK for other people. Personally, I get about 200 spams a day, versus about 1-2 real e-mails. When the ratio of spam to good mail is 100:1, it gets hard to implement spam filtering that's accurate enough to do the job. And are you under the illusion that you aren't paying your ISP for the bandwidth they waste dealing with spam?

    There are some basic problems here:

    1. The e-mail protocols were never designed with the spam problem in mind.
    2. Any method for eliminating spam just encourages the spammers to look for countermeasures, viz. the current crop of spams with "pen1s" in them, or subject lines ending in "hekatomb spastic euphorbia malleus."
    3. There is no limit whatsoever to the number of spams that the spammers can generate. Any countermeasure that's based on the current protocols will break down once you hit it with a large enough volume of spam. Either it will be too slow, or it will produce too many errors.
  18. Re:blacklists by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It would seem that if they got rid of china

    As someone who lives in China I get more than a little tired of being filtered out because of the continent I live in. (Especially since the vast majority of spam I get is selling products from America, regardless of what server they're sending them through.) And in this particular case, being a university it's very likely that they have a sizeable number of students from China, and many staff with academic links.

  19. Re:20 servers for only 100,000 messages? by some_schmuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    er, let's see ... 10,000 messages per hour, across 20 boxes ... that's what, 500 messages per hour, per box? I'd think pretty much *any* computer worthy of the name could swing that.

  20. Ideas for a new email protocol... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is this the beginning of the end of e-mail?

    I would say this is probably not the end of email, nor is it the end of the Internet as a whole. However, it is probably the end of the protocols currently used to send and receive email.

    I believe that spam is ultimately a security issue, because it slows down systems and creates problems for users and system administrators. Sometimes, security problems are caused by buffer overruns and other programming errors. However, in this case, I think the entire protocol is faulty. It may have worked wonderfully before spammers, but it's time to introduce something new that will make it extremely difficult to send spam.

    I don't know exactly how the new protocol needs to look. But I have some ideas. Paying for "postage" is not one of them, as I think it is a very bad idea. Unless some payment system could be set up whereby the recipient of the mail receives the payment, not some 3rd party, like Microsoft, which would profit incredibly from garbage spam mails going all over the place. In fact, if that were the setup, then each recipient could state a price per email and/or per kilobyte of the mail message for receiving an email from a source, which the source would pay to the recipient as postage. A whitelist could be set up to allow certain senders, like one's friends, family, coworkers, etc., to send emails without paying the recipient. A blacklist could be set up to disallow all emails from specific senders and/or domains, as we have today, and if you read further in this post, you'll see my ideas for making sure that addresses are not spoofed. But I digress...

    Perhaps first of all, the mail headers need to include digital signatures based on the source and destination domain names, email addresses, and other identifying information that is unique to each email sent. To avoid address spoofing, for example, people sending junk with a 'yahoo' or 'hotmail' address, when in fact it originates elsewhere, each such domain would have a private key, which upon sending, would be used in the computation. A valid signature could not be computed when the address is spoofed, and so all spammers would need to use their own valid domain name. Further, the need to make computations would make it more costly for spammers to send mail in high volumes. The algorithm should be designed so that recipients of email will have a much lower cost to verify the key. Further, the signature system could, should, and would be used to verify that each bit of the contents of the email, including all attachments, arrived correctly and without being tampered with or corrupted in transit.

  21. The Delivery Obligation Is Their Problem by numbsafari · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole thing about them being legally obligated to deliver mail is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Leave it to the Germans to enact such a law.

    Better to just not deliver ANY mail than to deal with that requirement.

  22. Something is not right by kbsingh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the numbers dont add up, Loads of people have already raised the issue about the fact that 20 servers ( even decently mid spec single CPU machines ) will handle 100k emails an hour ( about 80 emails per min per machine is very achieveable ... ).

    But there are some other issues you need to look at, with these emails not being scanned - do you know how much of storage you need to have online to have a mailstore this size and developing by the hour at 100k msgs ? not everyonce will use pop3 to get their emails, and not all the users will check email every day. Were talking about a very very large and very well setup Mail Store for this kind of volume. What about network bandwidth ?

    A few basic things can reduce the work of those servers : Duplicacy level across these emails is going to be very high - all 100k emails per hour cannot be unique, there are going to be loads and loads of dupes, that dont even need to be scanned.

    Creating a small database in-house with bad MailSender's list ( kind of like an in house RBL ), and flushing that list on an 6 hour interval will slow the inflow as well to quite an extent - in some tests done, i have seen it go down by almost 15 - 18% when there is a heavy load. Since most 'real' mailservers tend to retry, even if a genuine mailserver is blacklisted for 6 hours - it wont make much of a difference, however most 'hijacked PC's sending spam' dont have any retry or resending mechanism - and will just not be able to send into your server.

    Another issue that helps stem the tide of bad email is to check for Virus infections before checking for spam. A lot of cases the tides of mail coming in can be virus infections ( which are easier and faster to check against - compared to rules + logic based spam checkers ).

    However, all this is said and done without knowing of what system and what kind of a setup they use, there is no way anyone can really know what happened and why.

    In the end, classic case for Linux and Unix based technologies to come into the frame I think.

  23. Securing the entry point by 87C751 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We'd be in a much better place if our e-mail system at least had a trustworthy traceback facility so that we affirmatively know who sent the message by default.
    No doubt, but that's a classic Hard Problem. How do you authenticate the entry point without a central credential clearing house? And who runs that clearing house? VeriSign? (hint: that would be a bad choice)

    I agree that SMTP needs a makeover, but what to replace it with is still very much an open question.

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  24. Re:blacklists by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As someone who lives in China I get more than a little tired of being filtered out because of the continent I live in.

    Then bitch at the Chinese ISPs who allowed the problem to exist in the first place.

  25. Re:No, sendmail by Cheile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That may not actually be the server handling the mail though. It's rather common to have a sendmail/postfix mail forwarder on the outside that forwards all mail to/from the Exchange server on the inside.

  26. clustering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    not to exploit the 'imagine a beowulf...' cliche.. but how would clustering email servers help this? has it already been tried?

  27. Re:It's done. by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1, Insightful
    multi-case letters
    Except that case in email addresses is ignored (or should be, if you follow the standards).
    So requiring multi-case is useless.
    I also require them to change the address every couple of weeks
    If you make your users change their email addresses every couple of weeks, then I wouldn't want to be one of your users.
    Imagine if everybody did this.
    The number of SPAM messages would quickly be swamped by the number of change-of-address messages.
    I'm certainly not going to take the time to update my address book every couple of weeks from someone who changes his/her email address that often.
    That means that your users are SOL if they want me to stay in touch with them.

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  28. I wonder by BCW2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does Germany have a law that I'm not familiar with? Email is free not a paid service, why is there some obligation to deliver? Snail mail is normally Govt. run and delivery is what you pay for with a stamp.

    No one has to or could guarantee anything for email. With the amount flowing because of SPAM the dropped packets must be astronomical.

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  29. Re:Reverse DNS to MX record checking.... by beakburke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, you should be using a MAIL SERVER that has an A record anyways. It's not that you can't send mail, you just can't run the SMTP server on a machine that you can't do a reverse-lookup on.

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  30. Re:blacklists by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The question I have is, how do you know the products are from America? How do you know the spammers are in the US?

    When my spam mailbox is full of things offering me credit cards, mortgages and such that are only available or sellable in the US. Same for most of the viagra and diet pills, if I follow the links I usually end up at an American company. A small percentage aren't, of course, mainly Nigerian scams and some local stuff, but 95% is.

    This isn't just my opinion. See this in The Guardian: "There are really only 150 spammers doing 90% of all the spam we get in the US and Europe... at least 40 of them are in Boca Raton."

  31. Re:blacklists by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    hat article was written in February 2003. The CAN-SPAM act was signed into law in December 2003 and took effect on January 1, 2004. Due to this act, the percent that originates in the US is going to be very small this year and in the future.

    Your faith is touching. Was it Nixon who started the first "war on drugs"? How's that going?

  32. No false positives? by grahamsz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can you know you've had no false positives.

    Have you personally reviewed the 2.9M messages which were filtered out... if you have then i'd question the value of your filtering.

    I know i've occasionally had false positives and i get nowhere near your message volume. My personal favorite is the UK paypal-esque service NoChex which sends emails with the subject line "YOU'VE GOT CASH!!"...

  33. Centralism has its costs by urdak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen this happen in my local University too.

    Take a university that has thousands of people actively using email, and thousands of computers, probably a hundred of which function as mail server. Now, decide that "we need a central mail server to filter viruses and spam". Take a few useless machines lying in the computer center, and make them the mail server that's supposed to replace the hundred you had previously. Then slow down the new mail server by applying every concievable virus and spam filtering.

    What do you get? Incredibly slow service (sometimes mails get stuck for hours or more in the queue), single point of failure, and officially-mandated false positives (noone in the university can avoid them). AND, you still get a lot of spam.

    Computer centers must know that if they want to centralize a service that was previously decentralized (different departments and individual running their own mail servers and filters), they must be prepared. Prepared to handle the load (Google had to buy 100,000 machines to handle their load!), prepared to handle the humans who use their service, and prepared to handle exceptions (a person or department that doesn't want the centralized filtering). Often, these computer centers don't think of these issues in advance, causing things like described in this article.

  34. SMTP Tarpits are another powerful tool by Phatmanotoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spamd and other means for "tarpitting" the calling SMTP are another great tool to be used in combination with RBLs and bayesian filters.

    It's a strategy in layers:

    • Apply tarpit to the most nasty IPs (maybe keep your own blacklist, since this could consume resources on your firewall)
    • Use RBL's as the second barrier; this is what will save most resources on your smtpd sever.
    • Use spam and virus filtering as the third barrier.
  35. It's a moving target by Cesare+Ferrari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because once a solution becomes commercial, the spammers get hold of it and work out how to modify their spam so that it gets through.

  36. Re:Won't Last by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, some stats:

    My company receives about 3,000 e-mails per week, of which 2,600 or so are junk.

    I recently installed a simple bayesian junk filter + whitelist on this, and it is catching about 2,500 of those 2,600 junk messages. Last week there were two false positives; the week before there were none. 99% of the false positives have come through mailing lists that add loads of shite to the bottom about how to unsubscribe. In the 2 months we've been using this filter, we have not had a single business-critical message filtered.

    Previously we used a spam-assasin style points system, which I would spend about an hour a week fine tuning. We were letting through about twice as much junk, filtering about 5 times as many legitimate messages.

    The message - try a bayesian filter (yes I know s.a. has a bayesian filter built in now, but IMO the other stuff it does just confuses the issue). Set up an IMAP folder for everyone to dump the junk that they receive into, one to put their false positives into, and one for their filtered messages to be delivered to. Instruct them clearly about what to do with them. Re-train every other week. You'll get much better results than you're getting now, by the sounds of it.

  37. Why not sign email... by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not sign email, at the mail routers and gateways.

    Email from large organizations could then be given priority (you'd know who it was by the signiture).

    If an organizations starts spamming remove there signiture from the trust list.

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  38. Re:Don't forget the other problem... by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Strip all attachments?!? You're kidding, right? In a university or business setting, that is NOT a viable option for most people. They're still figuring out how to right-click under Windows and make things print correctly to the printer down the hall; forget teaching all of them how about FTP, SMB, NFS or some other file serving method.

    And you've got to be kidding about blacklists being better than filters... talk about false positives, sheesh! Maybe the best blacklists are better than the worst filters, but that doesn't say much. Simple control lists (black or white) are not a long-term viable solution; if they were, none of us would ever get spam, would we? You really need something that makes your email trustworthy, like Zoemail.

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