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Brent Bozell on Nudity in Upcoming Video Games

Ant writes "Brent Bozell of TownHall.com wrote an editorial about the video game nudity trend. It covers games like 'Playboy: The Mansion' and 'Singles: Flirt Up Your Life' that are due out later this year." Ultimately, Bozell seems to distrust the ESRB, citing Eidos' decision to only sell Singles in downloadable form.

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  1. Coming soon from Brent Bozell! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Weapons of Mass Distortion : The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media

    Brent Bozell is Founder and President of the Media Research Center, whose poll "Do any of the Pew Research Center findings (that 'Liberals Dominate Journalism, Think Media Too Easy on Bush') surprise you?", had only three responses:

    Yes. I was surprised so many journalists would admit they're liberal.

    No. But it's nice to have more proof of what we already knew.

    Don't know.


    Talk about loaded questions? Everyone's entitled to their opinons, Mr. Bozell included, but before judging his article on nudity in videogames, be forewarned that Bozell's site makes the Simpsons' Fox News spoof ("Do Democrats cause cancer?") look like the friggin' New York Times...

    1. Re:Coming soon from Brent Bozell! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bozell is a media whore. If I recall, is he not the person behind the Parents Television Coalition? I remember the PTC, back when wrestling was a big thing (a few years ago) went after the then World Wrestling Federation, convincing sponsors to pull out of the show etc... The PTC were also responsible for getting wrestling linked to some cases of a child killing another with a "Wrestling move".

      If I remember the story correctly, in the end, the then WWF sued, won a substantial amount of damages, and the PTC was forced to issue a public apology.

      It's been a while now, but I almost certain this is the same dickhead.

    2. Re:Coming soon from Brent Bozell! by harmonica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bozell is a media whore. If I recall, is he not the person behind the Parents Television Coalition?

      Yes, he is. But I find the site very refreshing. They count the amount of times certain words are said, they have this "better-than-thou" attitude but come across only as homophobic, and if you want a collection of spicy lines for a given show, just look up its summary at the PTC site, they may have it with big red warnings like "extremely offensive content". If this is for real, these guys live in a different world.

  2. L. Brent Bozell = idiot by Pluvius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So he thinks that the fact that this game won't be on retail shelves is a bad thing? Would he rather the ESRB give it a T rating and allow Eidos to sell it at Walmart where any kid could get it? There should be a requirement that you know what the hell you're talking about before you become an activist for something.

    Rob

    1. Re:L. Brent Bozell = idiot by 1001011010110101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It sounds more like he would rather forbid them of publishing that kind of game at all. I mean, not on stores, not online, what's left?

  3. Obligatory Gamers' Refrain by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Video games aren't just for kids anymore! 'Nuff said.

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    1. Re:Obligatory Gamers' Refrain by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, Nudity in computer games has been going on for a very very long time actually. Leisure Suit Larry has been running since, oh, before VGA even.

      This is only being drummed up because computer games are now more in the eye of the public.

      I would imagine the same groups that have been constantly telling us that video games turn all human children into psychopathic murderers are taking a break from that to assure us that video games turn them all into sex fiends.

      In reality, nothing will change, this will blow over, and it's nothing but good publicity for the game sellers.

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  4. Sensationalism! by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's digusting that game companies are using the sensationalism of sex to get people interested in their games.

    Why, it's almost as bad as journalists using the sensationalism of sex to get people interested in their articles.

    It's like the whole Janet Jackson superbowl thing: Any normal person saw a low res blur for a split second. The outraged moral majority had to spend hours scouring the net to download and print a good half dozen different pictures of what bothered them so much.

  5. Thanks, Brent Bozell! by 2megs · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I completely overlooked Singles: Flirt Up Your Life at E3. Now that this article has brought it to my attention, I'm definitely going to check it out! ...which pretty much drives the point home that self-serving "journalists" such as this care more about raising their own visibility than about the moral agenda they claim to promote.

    1. Re:Thanks, Brent Bozell! by 1001011010110101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll save you some time:

      It sucks.
      Its pretty innocent, besides some soft-penises and some kissing, not much more.
      AND, the game is boring too. Its really a sims ripoff (I dont understand how they managed to publish that piece of crap without being sued).

      And, what pisses me off, the only gay man alternative you get is ugly and a sissy. I was even considering hacking the sprites/models just to spice the game a little bit more :).

  6. Ratings by Datasage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Other than the fact that there is not much point to the game, singles. Its nudity is very modest. really its basically the sims with an option for sex and they dont fuzz the people out when they are in bed.

    Yet we give that an AO rating while games like Manhunt and GTA only get a M rating.

    Its kind of a double standard, but movies are more likely to get an NC-17 rating if they have alot of sex rather than alot of violence.

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  7. Hey, that's not cool. by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You, too, can be a sleazy pornographer like Hugh Hefner, who in this game's vision is about 30 years younger and resembles Superman more than the dirty old man he is.

    Damn, nice unbiased article there. If Mr Bozell wasn't such an ignorant jerk he'd know that Hugh Hefner is anything but a sleazy pornographer. He not only affected the way people perceived nudity, but he also popularized a way of life that was hardly known in the fifties. Hefner showed society that it was ok to shun marriage, kids and the picket fence. That both men and women could be sexual creatures without the shackles of moral expectations such as the presumption of family. The equility of the working couple would never have been possible without Hefner.

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    1. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by Pluvius · · Score: 2

      Hefner showed society that it was ok to shun marriage, kids and the picket fence. That both men and women could be sexual creatures without the shackles of moral expectations such as the presumption of family. The equility of the working couple would never have been possible without Hefner.

      Well that makes him a sleazy pornographer, obviously! Just like those evil homersexuals who are trying to ruin the sanctity of marriage! We should send them back to Africa where they belong!

      Rob

    2. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn, nice unbiased article there. If Mr Bozell wasn't such an ignorant jerk he'd know that Hugh Hefner is anything but a sleazy pornographer. He not only affected the way people perceived nudity, but he also popularized a way of life that was hardly known in the fifties

      Brent Bozell is an ignorant jerk, but Hugh Hefner is no saint either. The way of life that he popularized was defined by greed and selfishness. His great insight was to tie sexuality to money and power. I am all for throwing off the shackles of moral expectation, but I would rather not replace them with the shackles of greed and excessive consumption

    3. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by obeythefist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually Hefner has done some atrocious things in his magazines.

      In order to sanitise his magazine to appease the moral masses (and sell more copy), his fake breasted women all have parts of their, well, lower body parts photoshopped out.

      This in turn causes hundreds of normal girls who see these magazines going to doctors and asking for plastic surgery because they don't think they're "normal".

      This is just plain wrong!

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    4. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Funny

      So if I don't want a family I can't be in a relationship. It would appear that the reach of Hugh Hefner did not extend to you. BTW - try not to get all your life experience from movies (especially ones with Woody Harelson in them).

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    5. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by prockcore · · Score: 3, Funny


      In order to sanitise his magazine to appease the moral masses (and sell more copy), his fake breasted women all have parts of their, well, lower body parts photoshopped out.

      This in turn causes hundreds of normal girls who see these magazines going to doctors and asking for plastic surgery because they don't think they're "normal".


      Yeah, same with TV. That's why I went to the plastic surgeon because my penis wasn't as pixelated as the ones on TV.

    6. Re:Hey, that's not cool. by dswensen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, Hugh Hefner is not responsible for other peoples' stupidity and ignorance. If someone is so gullible that they get plastic surgery because a "magazine made them do it," then they have some serious problems, and the problem is not the magazine. It's a fundamental lack of judgment.

  8. Old people should quit hogging the oxygen and die by veritron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let us, for laughs, point out the assumptions this idiot has made in the article:

    The target audience for the Sims 2, and the Singles, is pasty white teenage boys.
    There is on-screen explicit sex in "The SingleS"
    Pornography is inherently evil.
    Exposing children to pornography is inherently evil.
    Video game players tend to be ignorant, smut-obsessed, teenage males.
    Parents are stupid and ignorant and are perfectly willing to lend their sons credit cards so that they can purchase an Adults-Only game over the internet.
    The ESRB is a toothless organization composed only of malcontent pedophiles who wish to corrupt our children's minds with sex and violence.
    Movies inherently contain less violence, filthy sex, and coarse language than videogames do, and are much harder for little kids to see/obtain.
    Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle, and depictions of homosexual acts are somehow worse than ordinary pornography.

    Questions you might ask the author:

    Did you actually play the games in question?
    Are you aware of any of the earlier shit that came from Japan?
    If so, are you aware how it is sold, and what the sales volume for it is, and what the target audience is?
    If you're so morally pure, then why do you use such sexually charged language?
    Are you compensating for something by growing that thick, 1970's-style beard?
    Are you aware of the how much better the pornography industry is doing in terms of gross sales in comparison to the movie industry? Are you aware of how much more profitable video games seem to be in comparison with traditional feature films? Why do you think that is?
    Do you have a template or something for writing reactionary articles against bullshit you don't understand? Could you try using a different template next time, perhaps one more subtle?

  9. Nudity?? What about violence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anything, parents should be more concerned about the extreme helpings of violence in video games. I'm not a nut who says that it makes neglected teens go out and shoot up their schools. Those are clearly cases where the parents were not nearly involved enough in their kids' lives.

    But this whole outrage about nudity is mostly ridiculous. American culture just can't let go of its Puritan roots. It's the human body, for fuck's sake, we all have one! The human body can be a very beautiful, artistic thing. Sexuality is a natural, healthy thing. It doesn't have to be lewd, crude, or demeaning, but we're so fucking afraid of the naked body that we assume kids will be scarred for life if they see one.

    Yeah, go ahead and let them watch people get killed every night on TV, see all the violence in the movies, and act it out in video games. No problem, we don't need to talk to our kids and explain how it's make-believe and that real violence is very, very wrong. But by god if they see one square inch of forbidden skin, they're damned to hell!

    It's like the whole Janet Jackson fiasco. What a bunch of crap. Sure, nudity can be associated with sexual harrassment situations, and that's all bad. But unlike violence, it can also be a very beautiful thing and associated with the ultimate love between two people. No, brush that under the carpet and KEEP IT AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN! Will somebody please think of THE CHILDREN!!

    Insane.

    1. Re:Nudity?? What about violence? by TellarHK · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, brush that under the carpet and KEEP IT AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN! Will somebody please think of THE CHILDREN!!

      FUCK THE CHILDREN!

    2. Re:Nudity?? What about violence? by wheresdrew · · Score: 5, Funny
      "FUCK THE CHILDREN!"

      Is that the title of the expansion pack?

    3. Re:Nudity?? What about violence? by black+mariah · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, it's the tagline for Pedo Master 5000.

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  10. Geez by exick · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's been a while since I read an article by someone that uninformed about the current state of video games. Kinda refreshing really.

    now easily downloadable PC porno games.
    As opposed to the good old days of the Internet when porn wasn't easily downloadable.

  11. This is an American liberal? by garyok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most disturbing thing about the article for me was the way, right from the start, that Bozell wants parents to endorse violence, role playing as a calculating killer, or a vicious thug capable of rupturing organs with their fists in preference to playing a game that lets you hope that one day sex might be a normal part of your life. He's happy with kids putrefying in their bedrooms as long as it's only deliberate brutal murder they're planning, not getting to second base.

    That's perverse.

    What sort of person is happier with junior killbots than junior people?

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    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors - Plato
  12. Singles Flirt Up Your Life by Seumas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Out of curiosity after seing a lot of articles about the game, I played Singles a little bit one evening. I'm not sure what the big deal is. Aside from it being a boring version of Sims, there was no nudity (not that I was hoping for it or anything). In fact, when your sims use the bathroom, huge toilet paper icons are plastered over them so youy only see their feet, neck and head. When they change clothes or shower, they are still in their underwear.

    I think the people who report on Singles have failed to do their homework (or have clearly made it much further in the game than I bothered to - but if you were going to have a game with nudity why would you bother to cover up going to the bathroom or shower?). It strikes me as being very similar to all the idiot journalists covering the "underage and pre-teen children wearing colored jelly bracelets to indicate sexual activities they're willing to do" whenever they need a news story in 2004. Clearly it's overstated or possibly even entirely made-up -- but they still run with it because it gets eyeballs.

    I don't mind nudity in games anyway. Nobody's forced to buy a game and there is probably a market for quality game play that includes some degree of sex or nudity beyond the old Leisure Suit Larry and Strip Poker products.

  13. Free Marketing by Vengeance_au · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damnit, p0rn was going to be my 2nd step in the 3 step process.

    1. Make a game with p0rn
    2. Mothers, family groups, right wing groups and advocates for less pink bits go rabid mad, being quoted all over the media, dropping the name of my game as the example of all that is wrong with the world.....
    3. Profit!!!!

    Doh! Ok, so what's left? School shooting simulations? Sim-Abortion-Clinic? Terrorist training - the game (buy the tin set, comes with authentic box cutter!)????

  14. Eidos is at fault (...?) by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Blockquoth Brent (all emphasis mine):
    So what will all that playing accomplish? A parent can only hope the boys will spend a large chunk of the summer role-playing as heroic knights, dashing spies or glamorous power-hitters. But video-game manufacturers wouldn't mind if our kids imagined themselves as role-playing ultra-violent killers -- and now pornographers.
    A parent can only hope... A neighbor can only hope. A schoolmate can only hope. A second cousin can only hope. BUT PARENTS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HOPE. Hey, guess who didn't let Mortal Kombat into my house? My parents. Did I still play it? Yeah. And I play Vice City now. And I still like violent games (and they did me a favor, MK sucks as a series). But they were *responsible* enough to make that decision, not just "hope"...
    "We've been working really closely with the ESRB from day one," says the marketing director at Cyberlore, makers of the Playboy game. "Everyone knows what the limits are for violence because everyone has pushed that envelope. But no one knows where the limits are for sex and nudity." Doesn't that sum up the manufacturer mentality perfectly? We don't know where the limits are, and we won't assume any responsibility for locating them on our own. We're going as far off the deep end as they'll let us. Right and wrong are irrelevant.
    This is actually a very good and valid point, closely mirroring an earlier article about the use of privacy laws in US and Canada. Basically, it's up (in this case) for the government-like manufactuer's monitoring lobby to decide what is too much and what isn't. The manufacturers are policing themselves, but the specific manufacturer is not. He's basically letting the industry decide the limits. As opposed to what Brett is suggesting where the game is censored by the U.S. government (which, IIRC, doesn't happen a whole lot).
    After the ESRB gave this game an "adults only" title, Eidos decided to go around the retailers and sell the sex game starting this summer through Internet downloads for $30, as much as $20 cheaper than new video games at retailers. How many teenagers with their own computers are going to get around Mom and Dad to download that salacious content?
    All the teenagers who:
    • Aren't trusted by Mom and Dad (or "Dad and Dad" as Brett heinously suggests)
    • Have their own credit card
    • Can steal their parent's credit card and not have their parents realize what was charged
    If your teenager is sneaking around you to play "homo PC smut games" as Brett would love to call them, then it's not the fact that they are playing "homo PC smut games" (after all, they are biologically ready for sex), it's the fact that they choose not to involve you as a parent in their life. And THAT'S YOUR FAULT, Mom and Dad. It's not society's fault, it's not Rockstar Game's fault, it's not Universal Studio's fault, it's not UPN's fault. Brett, however, would have you believe it is Eidos's fault.
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  15. It's just sex... by Erskin · · Score: 2
    I suppose this goes without saying...but it's just sex, right?

    Where does the idea that sex is wrong, evil, or warping fragile little minds come from? Don't all these people who are complaing realize that sex is the reason they were born?

    I just can't wrap my brain around this. Nothing is an excuse for parenting, and certainly not blaming the entertainment industry.

    But, c'mon guys, it's just sex. It's been happening since the beginning. If it were somehow the root of all evil, don't you think we'd have found out by now?

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    Erskin
    geek.

  16. Re:L. Brent Bozell = typical by Syncdata · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bozell like so many others are starting to realize that the internet is an end-around on many of the established ways in which commerce has typically been regulated/disrupted. He's upset because he doesn't have the freedom to restrict it's availablity, because it's on the internet for *Gasp* 20 dollars cheaper than a new game in the stores. And to add insult to injury, If the product is not a physical object, The gov, et all can't demand it be sold behind the counter in a brown wrapper.

    Just wait though, "watchdogs groups" will eventually get the interstate commerce clause to be inclusive of bits traveling across networks, and Bozell will have his way.

    Enjoy the frontier while it lasts.

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    "Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
  17. Interesting thing about "David" by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Informative

    : it'll be hard to condemn the statue of David as an evil
    : pornographic thing, considering its based on the bible

    Definitely not pornographic, but one can consider the Bible evil! It has some extremely violent parts, you know... but the really funny thing is: David's statue is not too faithful to the Bible, as it actually fits the greek ideal of beauty.

    Take a look at his genitals. David - a jew - is NOT CIRCUMCISED. I think Michelangelo did not give a damn about the Bible then, he simply tried to make it the apex of human male beauty. And he followed the ideals of the Greek, who (correctly) saw the circumcised body as mutilated and sexually inferior.

  18. You must have a different version by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful
    On the toilet there is censoring but not in the shower or when they are just walking around nude and certainly not when they are doing the nasty.

    It is not hardcore porn but about the lvl of playboy "porn" movies.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  19. Re:Better not tell him about japan it could kill h by Ayaress · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are also a fair number of h-games with minors and almost incest angles.

    Fair number? Almost incest? According to J-list, there are upwards of 50 H-games released per month in Japan, and they typically have you chasing after at least one cousin. Heck, by the standards of the gere, an H-game that isn't disgusting is one in which you don't rape your mother with the help of a nun.