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PDA Buyer's Guide Reviews The Sharp Zaurus SL-6000

Tong Zhang writes "PDA Buyer's Guide has published an in-depth review of the Sharp Zaurus SL-6000. If you like livin' large, this super-sized Linux PDA may be just the ticket. Sharp targets the enterprise rather than consumers with this Zaurus model, which looks like an SL-5600 on steriods. It has an amazing VGA display, a 400 MHz processor, thumb keyboard, WiFi and more. Read the full review." This adds just a bit more information to the previously mentioned review at BargainPDA.

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  1. Someone's gotta say it by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes but, does it run Windows CE?

  2. Correct Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rather than the empty link (href="") in the story, this is the correct link to the previous story on the Zaurus SL-6000.

    Also, the BargainPDA article, directly, is here.

  3. This thing is the future of mobile computing now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll trade my 2.0ghz pentium4-m Laptop for one of these with a extra USB keyboard and flashcard in a heartbeat (or external USB drive if possible).

    The thing that makes it worth it?

    Linux OS + decent screen + 10-12 hour battery life.

    WTF am I suppose to do with a laptop that can only run for 1.75 hours before needing to be plugged in again? It's not nearly as usefull as I thought it would be.

  4. A Year and a half by Pine+UK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "the terminal application (it comes on the CD), allows you to issue Linux commands, edit config files and all that great stuff." Yeah, Ok, that's great, but won't it take like a year and a half to enter a command with one of those stupid hand writing recognition things?

    1. Re:A Year and a half by Ianoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe that OpenPDA/Qtopia is good enough that the average user should never have to touch the terminal for any reason whatsoever. It's about as close as Linux gets to "it just works" and your average "man on the street" might not even realise it's running Linux, since Qtopia doesn't look like your average Linux X desktop (if there is such a thing, KDE and/or GNOME).

  5. But it's HUGE by drizst+'n+drat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The darn thing weighs in at 10.5 ounces and with the plastic screen cover closed, it measures 6.2" x 3.2" x .9". Come on now -- almost an inch thick? You're not carrying this thing in your pocket; not even if it runs Linux! No thanks ... I'll stick to my Compaq 8350.

  6. A killer feature by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    A really amazing feature of this PDA is that it can act as USB host (since the Linux kernel includes excellent support for USB). This means, presumably, that we can plug pretty much any Linux-supported USB device into it. A USB hard disk, CD-ROM drive, networking adapter, printer? That sounds nice!

    Another completely different question - as mentioned in the article, the PDA uses a combination of Flash and SDRAM to mirror the secondary/primary disk/memory model that you see with most normal computers running Linux. This is different to Windows CE, which uses the same memory for both running programs and storing them and their data, although I believe this memory is dynamically divided between memory and storage and programs are still copied across the divide when they're actually run; different again is PalmOS, which as far as I'm aware simply runs a program "in place" since programs are both stored and run in the Flash RAM on a device.

    Is there anything that can make Linux work like this? I can imagine a hack involving boot-time RAM disks and loop mounting, but it doesn't sound like an terribly optimal solution.

  7. Cost? by Marxist+Commentary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $699? Ouch...

    I think I'd rather have a cheap used laptop for that price. More functionality, about the same weight.

    1. Re:Cost? by Tet · · Score: 3, Insightful
      $699? Ouch... I think I'd rather have a cheap used laptop for that price. More functionality, about the same weight.

      Rubbish. The Zaurus is a complete Linux box, and thus has exactly the same functionality as your desktop or laptop machine, albeit in a smaller form factor, and less expansion options. As for weight, I don't know about the SL-6000, but my SL-C860 is significantly lighter than any laptop I've ever come across (lighter even than the Libretto).

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  8. Re:Looks cool but.. by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try keeping a diary when you have a large number of repeating events every week/month. Entering those in time and time again gets rather tedious, especially if your schedule is changeable (and with a paper-based diary it's quite difficult to drag and drop an event to one hour earlier without judicious use of tipex and biro). PDAs are a lifesaver for students and business people with lots of regular meetings and deadlines.

  9. PDA with HD? by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know I've posted this before, but how long will it be until Apple realizes what they're missing? Slap that LCD on a current generation iPod (or iPod mini if you really want to make a lightweight device), port QuickTime video to it, and poof, a pocket sized multimedia device that will put most anything else on the market to shame.

    I think it's the logical progression to see PDA's start to take on parts from laptops/desktops. PDA's are really the Laptop's of our generation. A USB host controller is awesome because of all of the USB devices that exist. USB Networking is a definite plus, but most everything is going to Bluetooth/WiFi anyways.

    Either way, this is a damned cool PDA, even if hella expensive, and I can't wait to see something like this, but cheaper, or any of the improvements from above are added (micro hd, minus usb host controller, plus wifi AND bluetooth, plus quicktime/some movie player).

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  10. Another PDA for ya.. by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    and this one's much cheaper, and yes, it runs Linux. Simputer

  11. RTFA by fpga_guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Z6000, like all Zaurii before it, has a sliding cover thumb keyboard built in...

  12. Pricing ? by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The one thing I dont understand is the high cost of certain Linux based PDA's. Given the cost saving on the operating system licensing surely that should be passed onto the consumer. The hardware itself isnt radically different from PocketPC based devices which in general cost less. Sooner or later I'll be in the market for a PDA but i dont think I should have to pay extra for the privelege of not having to use a Microsoft based one.

    The real question is out of the newer specification PDA's which ones can be re-flashed with Linux and work as well as the sharp offering ? I suppose a palm based device might be an alternative but i want my bash shell and dev tools to boot .

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  13. I've got SL-C860 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've ordered an 860 from shirtpocket(.co.uk). This is clamshell model sold only in Japan, but Shirtpocket guys have made really good job on translating it to Engslih. However, I've moved to Cacko ROM. It is an amazing PDA, best of everything I had or still have (such as Garmin iQue, an superb Palm OS PDA + GPS). Simply put, this *is* a laptop you can put in your pocket (although a bigger one). It's got 640x480 screen, SD and CF slots (I have a WiFi card there), and it connects via USB to act both as USB host and P2P network interface. There's a LOT of software there and several flavors of ROM images. You can even make your own Linux distro for it. There's that PDAXROM for geeks: you get the login prompt, log in, then type startx to get GUI, the real GUI with moving, resizeable windows, just like you on your PC. I have perl and python there, there are several IDE environments, Java and GCC. It can be overclocked, in which case you can use mplayer to view full-screen movies in 25fps. The keyboard is small, but you can get used to thumb typing in a short time. Yes, you can make swap files to get extra memory as well. While the PDA functions aren't quite impressive, you can put Korganizer there and get pretty decent results. If the mail app isn't worth it, install Mozilla Thunderbird and have a go. Yup, you can put GIMP there, Apache as well. PHP just goes with that. And what would it be without MySQL? You can install it too...


    This really is a Geek dream come true. :) It isn't for the faint of the heart, for it does need some knowledge to hack it, and flashing ROM in a wrong way can render it unusable, and you get no support outside of Japan. This is a hacking toy, the best I've seen so far.


    Oh, and the geekiest of the geeky things: I've shown it to Ken Coar while he was wisiting Croatia, and guess what - he was jealous! :-)

  14. OFCS.....obligatory grammar nazi post by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 5, Funny
    like all Zaurii before it

    Zaurus -> Zauri.

    I know that you can quibble about what the plural of 'virus' is as it's derived from an uncountable noun, but as Zaurus is clearly derived from Saurus (=lizard)

    1 Saurus -> 2 Sauri
    1 Zaurus -> 2 Zauri

    'Zaurii' is obviously the plural of 'Zaurius', as 'Triarii' is the plural of 'Triarius'. Now go and write 'romani ite domus' on the wall 100 times.

  15. Re:Looks cool but.. by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is this a case of English vs American English slang?

    A "biro" is what most people call ballpoint pens here in the UK (the same most people say "hoover" instead of "vacuum cleaner").

    Tipex is an obnoxious white semi-liquid substance than comes in a small pot or a pen or a tape form than you can "paint" over the top of text you've written with most kinds of pens to erase it.

  16. comparison survey of all SHARP Linux PDAs by wehe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a comparison chart of the SHARP Zaurus Linux PDA series. The survey contains also the internal code names for the PDAs, which are taken from dog races (Collie, Boxer, Poodle, ..).

  17. I have one of these SL-6000Ls and ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to say that I'm shocked, just shocked, that people are posting the following drivel without reading the article or learning anything about this machine:

    1. ... year and half to enter a command with handwriting recognition ...

    When I use Konsole (tabbed terminal---better than the default), I do it in one of three ways: (a) built-in keyboard, (b) Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite 2 (with control key in correct position) attached to the USB connector, or (c) ssh from another machine with a full-size keyboard, since the SL-6000L is usually on the network when I'm around other machines.

    2. ... given up on PDAs ...

    It's not a pda, it's a small Linux machine I wear on a camera strap around my neck and use while standing up on a totally wifi campus where I need to be mobile.

    3. ... You're not carrying this thing in your pocket; ... I stick to my [Windows-tax-paying, Linux-fighting] Compaq

    I previously used a Clie, about the size of your Linux-fighting Compaq, and found it was no fun to carry in a pocket, either. Plus, it didn't do enough to replace my laptop.

    4. ... rather have ... laptop for that price. More functionality, about the same weight ...

    If you can find a 10.5 ounce laptop for that price, get it. I dare you to.

    5. ... hardware itself isnt radically different from PocketPC ... should pass on Linux saving to consumer ... I never took Econ 101 ...

    The SL-6000L has a VASTLY better screen than any PocketPC. It is VASTLY more ruggedized than any PocketPC. It has VASTLY more features (USB host, 802.11b) than any PocketPC. It's made in VASTLY smaller quantities than any PocketPC.

    6. ... needs a built-in camera ...

    Thanks to Sharp for NOT including a built-in camera. I need to take it into places where cameras are no longer allowed (thanks Donald Rumsfled, this totally solves the torture problem) for government meetings. I don't want builtin cameras on anything really important.

    7. ... should be feature for feature like a phone and cost $200 and I am an idiot ...

    Well, you got the last part right, but seriously, it's not about features, it's about usability. This thing is usable as a phone, but it's really a laptop replacement for people who want to use a computer in situations other than sitting in one place for long periods.

    Finally, I would like to comment that Opera on this machine is the most impressive example of an application fitting a machine I've seen in a very long time. I use http://local.google.com to find services in my new home at Carnegie Mellon, a very wifi campus, for instance, and this is the fulfillment of the promise of mobile computing.

  18. Re:Looks cool but.. by LilMikey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was in the same boat. I bought in to each generation. I had an old Palm IIIxe, a Compaq Aero, and they're running around here with iPaqs and e750s. None of these devices are capable of replacing my trusty, although quite huge, laptop. The PDAs floated around in my pocket for maybe 6-8 months each before realizing I don't know enough people or have enough appointments to waste my time with these devices.

    However, I bought a SL-6000L over the weekend. It's amazing what these devices will do. These 2 reviews cover the hardware pretty comprehensively and the included apps ok but they only allude to its true capabilities. It's surely everything my laptop did for me and it fits in my (larger) pockets. I admit, the USB host and VGA screen are what pushed me over the edge. Check out ZUG for a better idea of what people are doing with these machines.

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  19. Features: Yes, Sexy: NO! by zapp · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm probably going to be modded troll for this, or just ignored, but it's gotta be said.

    Compare this: set of pictures of a HP iPAQ 4155/4150

    with this (the article) set of pictures.

    The 4155 can be obtained from newegg for $400, and the Zaurus has a list price of $700 (almost 2x the price), and the only extra thing the zaurus offers feature-wise is a VGA screen. Also, the 4155 is the 2nd-smallest PocketPC right now (with the 19xx series being 1st), small enough to keep it in my pocket all day without it being annoying.

    Yes, i own a 4155.

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  20. Re:Developer Resources? by wytcld · · Score: 4, Informative

    See www.pdaXrom.org, this article on cross-compiling, Gentoo for Zaurus, the Zaurus Software Index, the Zaurus Message Board, Zaurus.spy.org, and last but definitely least the Zaurus User Group (which among much else has active discussion of where to buy the clamshells from).

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