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Clear Channel Buys Patent For Instant Live CDs

An anonymous reader writes "According to this Rolling Stone article, and this article at P2P, everyone's favorite monopolist, Clear Channel, is bullying DiscLive and other companies in the available-after-the-concert live CD business by forbidding them from operating in their venues. Looking at the actual Clear Channel patent itself, it's obvious that, unlike what is said by their Instant Live program head Steve Simon, their patent is very specific, and doesn't cover all media types and all onsite production, so isn't CC just standing behind a bogus patent to continue to act like a monopolist? Anyone have prior art to invalidate their patent?"

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  1. Prior art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why must it be "novel" just because you can't do it in EZ Cd Creator? Cdrecord has had the ability to record from stdin since its creation. Sound has been in a block device (/dev/dsp) since OSS's creation. Piping a block device to stdout has been available since... cat. I have been piping sound from /dev/dsp to oggenc to disk (live) and from disk to oggdec to cdrecord (later) for 3 years in a live environment.

  2. Re:Prior Art? by igrp · · Score: 4, Informative
    A lot of artists still do allow live recordings, even some major, commercially successful ones (the "Dave Matthews Band" being one, Phish being another). There's an active scene of music lovers, tapers and traders and the live records are usually of superb quality (the tapers go to great lenghts to ensure high quality recordings) and distributed in lossless formats (usually SHN). Check out etree for more information.

    And, even though I realize that most of these bands that allow live recordings or even actively encourage them aren't exactly your garden variety pop band many of them seem to have quite a following. Maybe the grassroots, word-of-mouth approach isn't that bad afterall...

  3. Re:Hello? Microsoft? by millette · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're the ones that banned a bunch of songs from their huge army of radio stations after 9/11.

    Like:
    • Van Halen "Jump"
    • Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
    • Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
    • ...
  4. Re:Prior Art? by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Patents have nothing to do with the real world. They are a legal tool for businesses, so prior art has nothing to do with it.

    Anyway, the dead's policy can be found here. And yes, I remember this, its been going on since 1965 (the year the dead started). And yes, the grateful dead are the most successful touring band in the history of rock. Yes, I have hundreds of CDs worth of their shows. For those of you that are into bands that are into playing music vs. making a buck off of a hit or two there are thousands of great sounding shows to be downloaded. Its legal, its fun. (Thanks for not spelling grateful "greatful" :).

  5. Re:invalidate patent? sure .... by Brobock · · Score: 4, Informative

    How about the hyperlink one?

    BT Loses Case Over Hyperlink Patent

  6. Re:Hello? Microsoft? by viking099 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Clear Channel Communications is a huge corp that owns hundreds of radio stations all over the country.
    Ever since the FCC relaxed the regulations on how many stations a corp can own in a given market, CC has bought out most of their old competitors. IIRC, they own like 90% of the stations in some markets.
    These are some of the people to blame when you complain about the "Top 40" and "Boy Bands" that make so much money. They're the ones that put them on the air, for whatever reason.

  7. Re:The myth of the Clear Channel monopoly by LightwaveNet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you just incredibly stupid, and/or do you work for the company?

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    The once small company has quickly grown to over 1200 stations, collecting approximately 20% of all radio advertising dollars and programming over 60% of all rock radio stations.

    Clear Channel's largest competitor, Infinity/CBS, owns roughly 180 stations.

    Within individual markets, such as Denver, Clear Channel controls every station broadcasting certain popular formats and their attendant desirable target audiences. In 2000, Clear Channel purchased SFX, Inc. (now renamed Clear Channel Entertainment), the largest concert promoter in the country.

    By threatening vulnerable artists and labels with reduced or off-hours air play on the only stations likely to air their songs, Clear Channel pressures artists, labels and concert venues into sweetheart deals with its promotions arm.

    Channel has directly retaliated against artists who spurn their services. In other cases Clear Channel is able to simply outbid local competitors and increase ticket prices for the consumers. In other instances in which local promoters are able to successfully outbid Clear Channel Entertainment for concerts, Clear Channel has refused to run advertisements for the shows or has aired them during undesirable time slots. This argument that Clear Channel is illegally tying its concert promotion business to its monopoly position in popular music radio underlies the Sherman Act proceeding currently underway in the District of Colorado, Nobody in Particular Presents v. Clear Channel Communications.

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    In economics, a monopoly (from the Greek monos, one + polein, to sell) is defined as a market situation where there is only one provider of a product or service

    Monopolies are characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide (and a lack of viable substitute goods), as well as high barriers to entry for potential competitors in the market.

  8. Definitely Prior Art by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recall seeing a show on Discovery about a year or two ago about how the Grateful Dead have been recording their own live shows and selling the CDs right after said show for several years as a way to side-step the commercial distribution channels. In the show, they reported that their net income increased many-fold over what they were paid from their RIAA member distributor (Imagine that, directly selling their CDs and taking all the profit vs getting $0.01 out of every $!)

    Also, as others have mentioned, this most definitely is both obvious and a natural evolution of recording equipment capabilities. This "patent" should have been denied, since they're attempting to generically patent an existing process by merely putting a few time sensitive words in.

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  9. Bullshit. by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Informative
    This was an ill-advised, nonbinding, and entirely ad-hoc list circulated by a few Programmers who were as in shock as the rest of the country. It had no official weight, and was quickly dismissed by CC Corporate once it got on their radar.

    A lot of weirdness happened in the days immediately following 9-11. The list was one of them, but it NEVER amounted to a company ban. Generally speaking, CC doesn't operate this way.

    Another urban legend: that CC banned the Dixie Chicks after they mouthed off overseas. Some CC stations did exactly that, but it was a local decision, not through Corporate. We were told to make the call based on our own markets. The only company I know which actually banned the Chicks was Cumulus.

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