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Paintball Sticky Sensors

Eddy_D writes "The EETimes has a story about a group of undergraduate students at the University of Florida (Gainesville) that have developed a sticky sensor, fired from a paintball gun, to sense explosive compounds in suspect objects at a distance. The project is funded by Lockheed Martin (Missiles and Fire Control group), who is rushing to deploy this new technology to soldiers in the field in Iraq and Afghanistan."

39 comments

  1. biotech by Beatbyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The goal of the project, funded by Lockheed Martin Corp.'s Missiles and Fire Control group (Orlando, Fla.), "was to help our soldiers detect improvised explosives or even chemical weapons from a distance far enough away so that they would not be hurt," even if the material detonated, said Greg Ivey, an aerospace-engineering student who graduated from Gainesville this month. A soldier with a laptop computer can monitor the projectile from up to 240 feet away.

    Wouldn't this be a great combo for small biotech creations?
    Pictures, chemical analysis, sample collection etc. would be a snap!

    (fairly) Remote analysis of questionable objects would be a snap if you shot the device on it, enabled it with your wireless remote, and waited until it reported fully to your laptop.

  2. Careful! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Be careful! it might be explosive!"
    "You're right.. we'd better shoot some low-powered weaponry at it"

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    1. Re:Careful! by Deanasc · · Score: 1

      Yes let's shoot a 60 caliber pellet at some potentially unstable compounds.

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    2. Re:Careful! by SnoBall · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... heat seeking paint missiles.

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  3. Can we fire the Dep. of Homeland Security? by justkarl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, basically, we can deploy a shitload of these into Iraq to find the WMD's...

    All jokes aside, it sounds cool, you could use any kind of sensor with it. How about one with a frequency counter?

  4. Paint Check!!! by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 4, Funny

    This came to mind when I read the article:
    Soldier: Thinks to himself "Hmm, suspicious vehicle parked over there." [Pop]..[Splat]..
    Terrorist hidden behind car: "Paint Check!" Soldier: "Ref!, Paint Check, I mean Bomb Check that suspect!"
    Terrorist: "No fair, he over shot me." "and Crono that gun!!! Is this freedom? It's got to be at least 305fps!"

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    1. Re:Paint Check!!! by crapnutassneck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, they will rig it to an Angel and spray and pray. :)

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    2. Re:Paint Check!!! by ffsnjb · · Score: 2

      I love taking out Angel using losers with one shot to the mask from my Shutter. Fun stuff. Now I want to play instead of going to work. ARGH!

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    3. Re:Paint Check!!! by cornjchob · · Score: 3, Informative

      We chrono at 280fps...I'm wondering why they said in the article "A paintball gun can still fire at up to 235 feet per second" when APL rules are 280 and most places used to chrono at 300. Most guns are capable of more than 300; though we only set them that high when a group divides into parents vs kids :)

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    4. Re:Paint Check!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first guess would be that they were actually referring to the speed their device could be launched, perhaps shooting it at 280 fps would cause it to destruct on impact.

      Of course, maybe they spent all their grant money on the device, and didn't have enough left over to get anything better than a BE Talon.

    5. Re:Paint Check!!! by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Nothing compared to sneaking up on a squad of angel weilding pip-squeaks who's mommy and daddy hooked 'em up with $1200 paintball outfits complete with 8 100 round quick loaders strapped to their backs dragging along the ground behind em as they sit in a bunker talking about killing that guy behind the barrel, and you scare the shit out of them yelling surrender.

      Then they slowly look at you, knowing their angels can get off 20 some odd rounds, and for some reason, the word surrender and honor just don't seem to mean anything to these kids, and so you notice the barrel moving ever so slightly in your direction...

      So you shoot a few of them. With your VM68 that goes BANG BANG BANG from the 5 pound blowback hammer slamming back and forth. And you yell surrender again. And they do. Then some twerp from your own team comes over the top of the bunker and splats you dead square between the eyes.

      Ah, the joys of painball.

    6. Re:Paint Check!!! by ffsnjb · · Score: 1

      Exactly the reason I hate playing indoor with anyone under 18. I blasted a little kid point blank after he refused to surrender. That course chronos at 240 and he was wearing 2 sweatshirts, he probably didn't feel it, sadly.

      Stupid kids, they should not be allowed out of the house into public until they're at least 15.

      I need to get some more guys together for a good 3 day scenario. That's what I call fun.

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  5. Ouch by cpt_rhetoric · · Score: 1

    Now there will be now more arguing about whether or not it's "splatter" or a direct hit, although it looks like the golfball size bruise the generally is created will now be the size of a baseball.

  6. Think about it by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although you've obviously intended to be funny, it is a common misconception that elaborate explosives can usually be triggered by a "nudge". This is hardly the case -- think about nuclear weapons, which require an elaborate creation of slow neutrons, or even simple explosives that require the mixing of two compounds.

    The force of a missile blast with compounds inside will be sufficient to mix the two compounds (usually, but even then, not always, as plenty of missiles are "duds" for this reason). Shooting a golf-ball sized detector-weapon at this is hardly dangerous. The reason they build explosives so that they're hard to set off is so they DON'T accidentally detonate while being constructed or transported.

    That said, this is an extremely cool invention (and maybe I'm biased considering where I'm based...)

    1. Re:Think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd be more concerned about the less-than-elaborate explosives that seem to be the norm in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just make sure that nobody is standing anywhere near that potential suicide bomber when you shoot him with this thing.

    2. Re:Think about it by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      with bombs like these, you have to hit them juuuuuuuust right.

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    3. Re:Think about it by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 1
      usually, but even then, not always, as plenty of missiles are "duds" for this reason

      True. A relative of mine in the Nat'l Guard was trained in missile repair specifically for this reason. One of his duties, if he were deployed, would be to locate and retrieve missiles that failed to explode, then repair them and get them back into service. Scary! Anything that could make this job more automated helps...

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  7. Dosent sound like fun to me by MajorDick · · Score: 0

    A paintball gun typically fires ar 300 FPS , NOW Lets say they crank it up a bit for the increased payload and no need for a saftey threshold to homans. Ok now if youve ever been hit with a paintball at 450 fps, it hurs and hasforce behind it.

    Firing that at a potentially explosive package with the limited range (300 ft) I think Ill just have to passon that one

    1. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by torpor · · Score: 1

      bitchslap: "pfft. you clearly know -nothing- about paintball guns."

      a good paintball gun will let you dial in whatever you want, and get the ball there. put an army-style range-finder on an electropneumatic, fill its hopper/feeder full of gummy-PIC's, fill the tank, charge the battery, calibrate, and you've got fieldable ball-placement in whatever nook and cranny you engender to explore ...

      *sigh* i loved my cyber 9000, the few times it worked. i'm sure those guys have moved on to far better stuff...

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    2. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by MajorDick · · Score: 1

      Well I dono about your neck of the woods. Or what kinda redneck dipshit paintball you play

      Here fields are limited to 300 FPS, for saftey reasons. As is MOST of the country

      "a good paintball gun will let you dial in whatever you want, and get the ball there" Sure but its friggin stupid, you think you can fire a ball at high speed ? BULLSHIT, in a word, you every try to fire a paintball at > 500 fps ? 70 % of the time it just disentegrates in the barrel.

      I have seen paintball guns modified to fire bolts (crossbow arrows) and blowdarts at some 600 FPS

      MOST tournament regusltaions used to say that a paintball gun could NOT be externally adjustable, so fucktards didnt go aroung setting em up hot once the chrono'd

      Ive been playing since 92, I have owned many guns the first few pumps, Tippman, I had an SMG 60 until you couldnt find balls anynmore (now you can again) and I had a coup[le of sheridan carbines, and pair of ORIGINAL Budd Orr Autocockers a PMI3 later renamed VM68 , I know all about ball placemnt and getting away with hot guns, I could field strip and turn up or down my PMI3 inside 30 seconds, they used to call me the Telephone Man (Reach out and touch someone) and guys would scream to the refs to chrono me , albeit it always came out at right around 300 fps.

    3. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by torpor · · Score: 1

      Sure but its friggin stupid, you think you can fire a ball at high speed ? BULLSHIT, in a word, you every try to fire a paintball at > 500 fps ? 70 % of the time it just disentegrates in the barrel.


      Umm... re-read that, dude. I didn't mention speed, anywhere, in reference to control.

      I could dial the cyber9k waaay down and it would 'softly' curve the ball ... I got in more trouble on the field doing that, than I did for over-taco'ing ...

      i'll be the military could use electro-pneumatics and range-finding, if they had to ... or hell, yeah ... even just a few cheap Tippmans could work, i'll bet.

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    4. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by 6502_C64 · · Score: 0

      "they used to call me the Telephone Man (Reach out and touch someone)..." Let me take a guess, you were using a PMI3 with a 1st gen. Smart Parts barrel.

    5. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by MajorDick · · Score: 2

      Yup right on the nose and 18 incher SP , also my old Sheridan Carbine with a really scratched brass barrel, dono why but man was that thing a longballer. I acually had 2 kills in one game not even able to see the target I was pinned down and all I could expose was my gun, another fellow about 5 yars away was having gun problems but could see so he was directing my fire, long and accurate.

      I built a modified barrel once that had a slot cut in the top, then a rubber stru in that slot, I had honed it outBIG , the rubber strip would impart a SERIOUS backward spin on the ball the thing would hook UP wildly, I could lob balls twice the distance of anyone else, the only problem was it used to love to break balls and wouldnt clean well so after you broke your first ball you had to change barrels.

    6. Re:Dosent sound like fun to me by CXI · · Score: 1

      A paintball gun typically fires ar 300 FPS , NOW Lets say they crank it up a bit for the increased payload and no need for a saftey threshold to homans. Ok now if youve ever been hit with a paintball at 450 fps, it hurs and hasforce behind it.

      Firing that at a potentially explosive package with the limited range (300 ft) I think Ill just have to passon that one


      Well, good thing you're not in charge. You'd rather go up to it and kick it instead?

      Furthermore, most explosives don't go off when you hit them, regardless of what you remember from Bugs Bunny. You fire this into a pile of trash on the side of the road to see if there if there are bomb-indicating chemicals in it. Get a clue before commenting.

  8. Re:Fewer Iraqi Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funny to you but how would you like to be shot by one of your co-workers?

  9. pretty cool by Roskolnikov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having played a bit of paintball I can say if the velocity is cranked up and can (and has) puntured skin.

    Tear gas paintballs already exist (heh) but I always thought it would be cool if traffic cops could tag your car with a paintball transponder...... blow through a speed trap? why chase em?
    mark em and wait for them to stop either because they thought they got away or because they've realized the car is marked.

    OR maybe you could use them to deliver a russian style sleeping gas..... (just don't drop em) its easy to get a paintball into a window..

    You could crank the gas up and fire a wooden dowel (sharpened no doubt).

    just rambling but this is pretty cool and paintball guns have gone a long way from the 'marking trees for forestry' beginning.

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    1. Re:pretty cool by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      But paintball markers arent the most accurate way to shoot a projectile...

      Also, what if your sleeping-gas-ball gets chewed inside your paintball gun?

      Or, for crowd control situations, you might want to use less precise, mass tagging paintball cannons (www.alternativepaintball.com/cannon.htm)

    2. Re:pretty cool by Firefly1 · · Score: 1

      And remember, there is room for paintball guns to evolve... here is an example of speculation in that vein for the Cyberpunk 2020 RPG.
      And then you have the little detail of just what can be put inside a paintball. Oh, the possibilities ...

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    3. Re:pretty cool by east+coast · · Score: 1

      "But paintball markers arent the most accurate way to shoot a projectile..."

      True, and you have a few good points here but when it comes to non-lethal/non-damaging it's pretty hard to do better. A fairly light payload at a slow enough of a speed as to be non-lethal is simply a ballistics nightmare.

      Beyond that I'd like to think that the paintball gun/marker used would be modified in such a way that it'd not be the same as going to Bob's Paintball field and trying to shoot your friend in the butt at 100 feet. For a limited application such as tear gas or this explosives detector I'd rather not be changing ammo out of my primary battle weapon in the field with a potentially deadly situation on your hands.

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  10. Spidey Tracer by Ugmo · · Score: 1

    Anyone a Spiderman fan? He used to have Spidey Tracers (I think Batman had something similiar) that he used to throw at a retreating enemey so he could track them later. Sometimes he used to web them in place.

    If this sticks to the target (my impression is that it does) you could shoot them at departing cars and such and track them from a distance.

  11. But if they shoot as badly by magefile · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... as the guys at my local paintball place, we're in big trouble.

    1. Re:But if they shoot as badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, I'm sure they'll have the accuracy of the US military.

  12. Re:Fewer Iraqi Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seriously, shoot some UV dyed hot pepper balls into unruly crowds/at people with guns.

    It won't kill 'em, but they'd probably wish they were dead (for a while). Then you can use some UV lights to track the ones you hit (where they've been, where they've gone, what they've touched)

  13. Proof that journalism can be outsourced by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, not strictly on topic, but from the article tagline of PORTLAND, Ore, the team doing the discovery in Gainesville, Fla, and the writer having a Spirit One e-mail address that is the same ISP I use, I find it very interesting that this article could be written 3000 miles away from the actual research.

    Plus, I noticed it because I had hopes of getting my hands on one of the prototypes when I saw the Portland, OR tagline- hoping that the team working in Florida was a mistake and that the balls were being produced at some paintball place close to me. I'd LOVE to have a civilian/spytech version of this tech- say a small audio sensor that could be fired from a paintball gun to stick to somebody's window.

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  14. In other news by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 1

    Terrorists, have reinvented the 'sticky bomb' in a new spring shade of mauve.

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  15. Re:Fewer Iraqi Dead by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    It won't kill 'em, but they'd probably wish they were dead (for a while).

    or make them wish they werent suddenly permanently blind in one eye with a hot burning chemical burn sensation in their eyesocket...

    you know there's a reason why people wear protective goggles at paintball games.

  16. Re:Fewer Iraqi Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thats because the force of a direct hit nakes your eyeballs fallout.

  17. More Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    STUDENT-BUILT PROJECTILE COULD HELP SOLDIERS DETECT BOMBS, CHEMICALS

    April 28, 2004
    Contact Information
    GAINESVILLE, Fla. --- Infantry soldiers suspicious that a truck or box may contain explosives or chemical weapons may soon be able to find out for sure by shooting the target with a sticky little projectile that can detect the danger and report it from afar.

    The crayon-sized sensor, which users fire from a standard paintball gun, was invented by a team of University of Florida undergraduate engineering students as part of a government- and corporate-supported engineering research and education program at UF. Lockheed Martin's Orlando-based Missiles and Fire Control, which sponsored the project, plans to refine the projectile and put it into production, and there is a chance it could be used in Iraq, Lockheed officials say.

    "That (use in Iraq) was the original genesis," said Leslie Kramer, director and engineering fellow for Missiles and Fire Control, explaining the sensor would be an ideal tool for identifying improvised explosive devices, or IEDs - disguised homemade bombs that have injured and killed scores in Iraq.

    "These IEDs - a lot of these things are being buried in piles of trash," he said. "If you had a good chemical sensor on this projectile, you could fire it into the trash and stand back and determine whether it could detect TNT leaking out of an artillery shell."

    Guided by mechanical and aerospace engineering Professor Loc Vu-Quoc, a team of six engineering seniors designed and built the projectile over the course of the yearlong Integrated Product and Process Design, or IPPD, program. It was a challenge: Lockheed officials outlined what they wanted in broad terms and told the students to be creative. The team, which included students from several different engineering fields, considered numerous approaches, including a gun made of plastic tubing, before deciding to try an off-the-shelf paintball gun shooting a modified projectile.

    The team built a tiny circuit board containing a transmitter, sensor and wire antenna, all powered by a watch battery. They inserted the circuit board in a cylindrical case tipped with the sticky industrial polymer. The weight of the polymer, together with the arrangement of the components, causes the projectile to be heaviest at the front, which helps it fly straight and strike the target with its sticky end.

    "What we did was we made its tip heavy so it's like a dart - it doesn't tumble over," said electrical engineering student Felipe Sutantri.

    Chemical and explosive detectors are expensive and difficult to work with, so the team tested their prototype using a tiny accelerometer, a sensor that registers movement. Accelerometers are commonly used in airbags to sense collisions. In a variety of tests, the team showed the accelerometers and other electronics could survive being shot out of the gun and striking a target. They were able to measure the accelerometer's data remotely at impact using oscilloscopes and laptop computers, much the way laptop-equipped soldiers might glean information from a deployed version of the projectile on the battlefield.

    "I think the most important thing for the proof of concept was to see if the electronics could survive the impact," Sutantri said.

    The students' tests proved the transmitter could report data from up to 240 feet from the laptop, while the paintball gun could shoot the projectile at least 65 feet. Both distances could be extended in the production version, and engineers also likely will shrink the projectile's size and weight.

    "The next step is the integration of other detectors into this projectile and also modifying what the students did to make it more tactical," Kramer said.

    Tara Plew, a research engineer at Missiles and Fire Control and the employee who worked most closely with the students, said the projectile "has created all kinds of excitement in the company," with two U.S. military bases asking for written descriptions of t