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RFID Leaders Talk Privacy

An anonymous reader writes "RFID News has released a set of interviews with EPIC, VeriSign, CASPIAN, HP and EPCGlobal on RFID and privacy. From CASPIAN founder Katherine Albrecht: 'In most cases, asking how a company exploring item-level RFID tagging can protect their customers' privacy is like asking a fox how he can best ensure the safety of your chickens.'"

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  1. It's great, but... by abscondment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RFID is great and all, but until there is legislation preventing law enforcment from using/viewing the data collected by these companies, I wouldn't go for it.

    Buying products with these tags seems like asking to be tracked. I know there are benefits to using them, but I'd rather not volunteer a public record of everything I do while carrying these products. It contradicts the spirit of the privacy rights granted in the constitution.

    1. Re:It's great, but... by cdrguru · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Understand that the range of an RFID is perhaps at best a few feet. Many applications are limited to 12-18 inches. This isn't something that can be tracked from a satellite.

      Also, you miss the major point of anything like this. Forget law enforcement getting their hands on it - they have much better techniques. Look at the tollway automatic payment boxes (which aren't anything like RFID but do identify a car by radio) - at first they said they did not save the data. Then some enterprising lawyer got the idea of subpoenaing the data and it turns out they do keep it. This is now something every divorce attorney looks for. What you need to look at with dangerous applications of this is not law enforcement but the ability of the information to be subpoenaed.

  2. How to avoid intrusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, so you don't want to get fucked over by the 'evil' (I don't believe a technology can be evil btw, only its uses) that is RFID in the hands of corporates. Simple solution; don't steal stuff from Walmart. If you don't steal items with rfid on them, you won't get hassled. It's an anti-theft device, it's not like they're implanting them in your foreheads.

  3. setup one... by kabocox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    like asking a fox how he can best ensure the safety of your chickens.

    Well, they are your chickens. You must insure that other predators don't eat them. You must keep them penned up and guarded so only you can eat them. You don't want to share those chickens do you? I didn't think so. You kill everything else that might eat them.

    Let's see, RFID wise. My business owns that data on Job Blow. Other businesses should be able to use my data to their advantage that would be wrong. I need to have laws implemented so only my business can track my consumers. I need to buy or destory in the stock exchange other businesses that may compete with me.

  4. Re:Beat the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the linked article:
    The blocker technology works by "spamming" any RFID reader that, without the proper authorization, tries to scan the tags

    The only proper authorization is the authorization provided by *me*

  5. I'm confused why more people don't see ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    the positive side to widespread RFID chip placements.

    Once firmly implanted beneath the scalp, behind the nape of the neck and/or in the palm of the hand, the RFID chip(s) will enable law enforcement agencies to instantly know your location without the need to task satellites or get involved in wasteful car surveillance. They'll no longer need to burst in to make sure you're in the hotel room with your mistress. They'll know you're in there with her. And since they'll instantly know your exact location, they can be much more respectful of your belongings when they break in (with a court order, of course) and rummage through your stuff. They'll know exactly how long they have so they'll be careful.

    Now if they just legally abolish these cumbersome doors (that terrorists so often hide behind while plotting their evil deeds), why I'll be glad to have traded any semblance of liberty for perfect security.

    Thank you, Big Brother.

  6. While RFID tags have anti-theft applications, ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    their primary purpose is not anti-theft, but is inventory tracking and statistical analysis. The RFID tags are there when you BUY the stuff, and can (and will) be used to track you and the items you've purchased after you consider your interaction with the store to be done.

  7. Just like the supermarkets by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its just like the supermarkets with their "discount cards". Which to get one you must give your ph#/name/address etc... (of course you can give bogus information). But now the supermarkets start tracking exactly what you buy and when you buy it....

    If I buy a 5lb bag of bran.. should I get a call from the exlax salesman?

  8. RFID wardriving as a competitive tool by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How would retailers feel if a competitor, say Wal-Mart, parked a van just outside the mall entrance and tracked what their customers were buying?

    Present examples like that when talking to retailers. They value their own "privacy". Mall operators hate it when you take pictures of store displays.

  9. They can, they plan to and they will by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The ability to track you if the RFID tag is still in the item is intrinsic to the technology.

    If you look at the examples that Albrecht from CASPIAN notes, you'll see from internal discussions by the industry that they already plan on this sort of tracking. They're just looking for ways to counter public pressure and present a positive spin on it.

    They will as long as it isn't explicitly illegal because they believe that it will provide them with an enormous amount of information that they can mine to eventual increase sales and sales margins. That's their job. The fact that they are attempting to do this on the backs of our privacy doesn't enter into their conversations.