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The Mathematics of Futurama

mclearn writes "Did you know that the writers of Futurama have a collective set of degrees that would rival most think tanks? Here is a hilarious site on the mathematics of Futurama -- specifically this article (pdf). The same authors have also researched the mathematics of the Simpsons, mentioned on Slashdot long ago."

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  1. my lead pipe hurts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    well, it's put to good use ;)

    1. Re:my lead pipe hurts! by pappy97 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I had this "Simpsons wannabe" attitude and thought the show was OK, but nothing special. It was only years later that I discovered how great the show actually is."

      You discovered that you would like the show, not that it is great. Futurama is for geeks. It is smart in a "Geek" sort of way. The Simpsons is smart, but you don't have to be a Slashdotter to get the stuff.

      Face reality: You were right the first time, sort of. I wouldn't call it a Simpsons wannabe, but rather "Simpsons in the Future" or

      "Slashdot Simpsons."

      There is nothing special unless you are a geek. That's why Futurama won't come back. It *only* appeals to geeks (like "Firefly," but better).

  2. My favourite show by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And it got cancelled. Typical.

    If the creators of Futurama decided to strike out on their own and sell episodes of the show on the Internet, I'd definitely buy them.

    I can only hope.

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  3. Easy by Sebby · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Take 1 great show
    + Run it a few years
    + At the height of it's popularity: cancel it
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    1. Re:Easy by phaze3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Quite frankly I wish more shows did this.

      IMO there's nothing worse than a show which is long past its prime being flogged like a dead horse. All the great comedy series are great because they stopped before they got bad - Fawlty Towers, Seinfeld, The Office.

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    2. Re:Easy by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Close, but this is more accurate:

      1. Take one Great Show that will have a built-in initial audience because of who's creating it, and stick it in the Time Slot Of Doom.
      2. Watch Great Show continually get pre-empted by NFL football, but do little to nothing to ensure that Great Show can be seen by fans at a regular day and time. Bounce Great Show around in your schedule like a pinball.
      3. Totally ignore the creator of Great Show, who's Previous Great Show almost single-handedly saved your network in it's early years.
      4. Wonder why Great Show just can't seem to get any ratings. Cancel Great Show because it's cheaper to run Previous Great Show reruns in the Time Slot Of Doom.

      The hell with Fox. There was a time that they were a pretty kick ass network, but like every other network they've fallen into the pit of Reality TV. Futurama deserves to be on Cartoon Network.

    3. Re:Easy by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, they're pretty dumb. Isn't it an amazing coincidence that they're as successful as the other major networks which have been around much longer?

      Come on. I loved Futurama and I loved Firefly, and I'm pissed that they were canceled, but I can't paint it as a bad business decision. This very article (about the advanced math in the show) makes the point that it didn't really appeal to the mainstream viewer. "Mainstream" may translate to "those slack-jawed idiots who can't even code in C" in your mind, but in the coffers at a TV network "mainstream" means "the main stream of our revenue - large numbers of people who like the same stuff". And I don't think that "the height of its popularity" was ever that high. It's a big hit with geeks, but most of the non-geeks I know aren't interested or don't seem to "get it".

      Personally, I think the problem is that there is no way for people to pay different amounts for shows. When you watch network TV, you're paying with your eyes. Number of viewers determines their advertisers, and that's where they make the money. That means that a mediocre show, which will mildly appeal to everyone, is more profitable than a show which will be deeply loved by a small group of people. If the compensation was somehow better differentiated, I think we'd get better shows.

      No, I don't actually have a good system of differentiated compensation to propose, short of buying the canceled shows on DVD. Sorry.

    4. Re:Easy by SamSim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps more to the point, Cartoon Network deserves Futurama. It's the only American TV network I've yet to hear anything bad about. Man, if CN got the Simpsons too, you'd never have to change channel.

  4. Re:bit torrent? by JamesO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buy the DVDs, cheapskate. Lots of people worked hard to make Futurama happen, and you want a freebie. How can you justify that?

  5. Re:It was obvious to me... by Maudib · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that they thew a quantum computing reference

    Quantum computing? Sure I guess quantum computing may take advantage of such properties, but this phenominon is part of quantum mechanics writ large, not just computing.

  6. Re:It was obvious to me... by iocat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have to figure, though, that there are scores of jokes in Futurama that you don't get, or even notice, because they target different groups on the nerd/pop-culture spectrum.

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  7. Re:bit torrent? by GarfBond · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's more to this than one realizes. DVDs are almost the sole indicator to the distributor of how much demand there is for a TV show. Ever wonder how/why Family Guy is being brought back? It's because the DVD sales of that show were phenomenal. All those sales said to Fox "maybe this show actually *is* popular."

    If you like Futurama enough to want to see it come back, then buying the DVD is basically the only way to prove to Fox that it's worth it. It tells them a) you love the show and b) you love the show enough to spend good money on it. That last one is probably the more important bit.

    Personally, I think the slightly geekier audience of Futurama vs Family guy didn't help its dvd sales; geeks are probably more willing to search out for Bittorrents/kazaa/emule/gnutella of a show, while the mass market is content with dvds.

  8. Re:The problem by strike2867 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm current wearing a t-shirt that says: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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  9. You forgot one part of the equation... by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    + Run "Sunday Afternoon Football" Half an hour late and not air the episode that was skipped.

    That one's a Fox trademark... complain nobody watches your show, even when you don't air it.

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  10. Re:Smart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sadly, it was more like "too smart to stay on the air." See, American television viewers don't like television shows that make them feel stupid. Instead of watching intelligent, well-written shows like Futurama, they instead watch unintelligent pablum like "American Idol."

    It's things like this that make me turn to the Internet, great liberator of properly smart programmes that were cancelled before their time.

    Sincerely,
    Seth Finklestein
    Doesn't Own Television

  11. links dead by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  12. Re:bit torrent? by realdpk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Futurama isn't coming back, but it could tell Fox that their audience enjoys funny "mature" cartoons (mature as in not kid stuff, but not XXX either).

    Of course, nobody should buy any DVD expecting it to count as a "vote" for their favorite show. Buy it if you want it. Don't expect something to come of it. :)

  13. Re:/.'ed already. by jcoleman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Schroedinger's Cat is not an illustration of the uncertainty principle, nor is your example.

  14. Re:/.'ed already. by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Schrödinger's Cat was a thought experiment to demonstrate that the uncertainty principle could have macroscopic effects.

    The uncertainty principle dictates that you can't measure something without influencing it (e.g. a thermometer's reservoir doesn't have the same temperature as the liquid you're measuring and therefore will change the temperature a little bit).
    My example means you can't (remotely) "measure" if a webserver is still operating, without sending a datapacket to it. If the server was already at the very edge of its capabilities, your ping could push it over the edge and /. it. Doesn't that qualify as influencing your "measurement"?

  15. Re:It was obvious to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It takes balls to do jokes that the majority of people won't get."

    Not really, because the majority of people wouldn't have realized that the geek-joke even existed.

    But that also highlights the sophistication of their jokes because the jokes are not only selective in who-gets-it, but also who-hears-it.

    To the ones who don't get it, it's just filler-dialogue, which is smart since it wont alienate or insult the intelligence of viewers who don't get-it.

  16. Problem is that they don't give the shows a chance by Otto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's been a number of good shows that never really had a chance at gaining an audience.

    Take FOX's main revenue stream: The Simpsons. It didn't have a whole lot of eyeballs it's first couple of seasons. But FOX was new, and didn't have anything better to try out. It also put the Simpsons on in arguably the best time slots there could possibly be for a new show, with no heavy hitters up against it on other channels. Simpsons eventually drew the crowd. All the news propaganda and churches denouncing the show (highly controversial stuff at the time) didn't hurt either, I admit.

    Now take Futurama. They put it in possibly the worst position they could: After NFL games, pre-empted a number of times with no repeats. Heck, even my Tivo couldn't figure out when it was airing half the time. 6 or 7 of the episodes I saw for the first time was when it aired on Cartoon Network, and I loved the show! Family Guy was pretty much the same way, with the same results. They didn't give it much of a chance.

    Recently, they did the same to the show Wonderfalls. A very good show.. Produced a whole season, put it in a bad time slot, showed 4 episodes, then pulled it. That's not even a geek humor show, they just killed it dead.

    Firefly aired for what, 3 episodes? Maybe 4? And out of order as well? And I believe it was up against ER or something with equally ridiculous high ratings draw too.

    Shows have to build an audience. You don't get an instant hit overnight, or even over one season. The success of so many of these shows on DVD shows a couple of things:
    a) TV execs are morons who have no idea how to build a fanbase.
    b) Brilliant shows do have a large fanbase despite the total BS numbers that Nielsen provides.

    More than anything, the fact that shows like Firefly, which didn't even air a whole season, are selling so many DVD copies should show the inaccuracy of the Nielsen system in the first place.

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  17. First Episode by Jbrecken · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Recently, CN reran the first episode, and I noticed that you could actually see Nibbler's shadow before Fry falls into the cryochamber.
    If anyone has the first episode as originally aired, was the shadow always there, or did they edit that into the scene for syndication after they did the episode with the brains?

    If it was always there, I'm seriously impressed with the planning that went into the story arc.

  18. I'm Not alone, I hope!! by doublebackslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just wanna know if I was the only one that did the caculation of Fry's intrest on his 93 cents? (on a Ti-83 none the less, they used a palm, wusses)
    Also, who else here was the only one in the room cracking up hen the professor complained about the quantum finish?

    Those little things that go into futurama are what make it worth my time to watch, and that is sying a lot.

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  19. Re:Smart? by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "American television viewers don't like television shows that make them feel stupid"

    Another theory is that American television viewers who agree to track their own TV usage for the ratings don't watch intelligent TV shows...

  20. Re:It was obvious to me... by Ukonu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Making a joke obscure and about technology doesn't make it sophisticated.

  21. Its never coming back by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep hoping. The animation quality on that show does not come cheap. Do you remember the ill-fated return of The Critic in Flash? It was terrible. If you cant afford good animators you can't afford good writers. You need x amount of capital to get the ball rolling and I believe Fururama was VERY expensive, moreso than the Simpsons.

    Time is also against the Futurama fans, whatever "synergy" the creative team had has changed. Its simply not feasible to expect them to suddenly do high-quality work again from such a long hiatus, and thats assuming you can even get all the people.

    Production is a very odd thing, when there's a good team they do good work. There are probably two to three episodes of Futurama which I think are low quality and the rest are really just gems. The problem is the network idiots didn't know they were holding a diamond and wouldnt give them a consistant timeslot.

    Ideally, the Simpsons should have been cancelled after the first season of Futurama and Futurama would have taken its place. There's only so much you can do with the Simpsons and its simply been done, over and over. Futurama would have given Fox a new platform to create comedy and sell lots of commercials

    They dropped the ball, and here we are. Expect the Simpsons to become a horrible shell of what it used to be (many will say its already happened) and a sad "had it coming" cancelation instead of a proud exit.